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« Reply #58280 on: June 25, 2021, 11:01:57 am »
If we continue to see little appreciable  rise in hospitalisations, then the case numbers can be lived with.


Fingers crossed for the next week or so. 


It would be good to see the ‘deaths’ data slowing down. Cases are up 45% (last 7 days compared to the preceding 7 days) and we know that the Delta variant is continuing to spread, but doing much less damage that it would have without vaccinations.

But what nobody seems to have mentioned is that deaths are up 32% (again last 7 days compared to the preceding 7). Admittedly from a low base, but hasn’t that always been the case?

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« Reply #58281 on: June 25, 2021, 12:51:16 pm »
Research into period irregularities and any impact on fertility being undertaken, which obviously has raised alarm bells in the anti-vax community who all feel vindicated again... even though it's literally just research into whether there's any link lol

Although anecdotally quite a few younger women I know mentioned heavier than normal bleeding that fixed itself after a while.

Mrs WLR who is usually as regular as clockwork and very consistent in that department has been all over the place since she had her first jab about 5-6 weeks ago.

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« Reply #58282 on: June 25, 2021, 01:33:05 pm »
I just went along to a vaccine site as part of the "Big Covid-19 vaccination weekend" and had my second jab.  I'm not saying this to show off but I am very happy  ;D

The minimum gap between first and second vaccines was only 21 days so if anyone is in that window of being between 3 and 12 weeks since their first vaccine then probably worth checking out sites in your area.  The rules may be different if you're not in a Delta hot-spot so probably worth checking before you start queuing up.

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« Reply #58283 on: June 25, 2021, 03:09:10 pm »
Got my second dose today but they nearly didn't give it to me. She asked for my GP's address but when I told her the name of the practice she shook her head and said no. In the end it wasn't even my GP's address they were after but the medical group of the area I'm in.

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« Reply #58284 on: June 25, 2021, 06:05:39 pm »
15,810 new cases & 18 deaths reported.

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« Reply #58285 on: June 26, 2021, 06:02:16 am »
In my school, we now have about 1/3 of the school isolating.  Most it’s ever been

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« Reply #58286 on: June 26, 2021, 06:19:24 am »
Whole of Sydney locked down for two weeks.  Break out apparently started with an unvacinated limo driver who was transporting international flight crews.

Then this last night: apparently this is clients + close contacts = 900



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« Reply #58287 on: June 26, 2021, 08:57:43 am »
In my school, we now have about 1/3 of the school isolating.  Most it’s ever been
We’ve had 4 cases… all in KS3.   
We brought back masks in class last week, because…why not?
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« Reply #58288 on: June 26, 2021, 08:58:20 am »
Walk in clinics all across London again today. No GP or NHS number needed, no questions asked.

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« Reply #58289 on: June 26, 2021, 09:43:20 am »
I’d be interested in what people think about the delta deaths vs vaccine figures released on ITV news last night -

117 deaths of which :

44 were unvaccinated
23 had received a single dose
50 were fully vaccinated
All we’re over the age of 50

Is the rationale for this that vaccine or no vaccine, generally speaking the older you are, the higher risk you are and therefore you’d still expect t to see relatively high (comparatively) death figures in those with 2 jabs as they are the ones who are typically older (as older people are offered the vaccines sooner?)

The report was fairly sparse, and it did say that health officials are confident that the vaccines are reducing severe illness and death but nevertheless presumably you’d hope to see the ratio of deaths/vaccine to be lower?

I’m not always the best at analysing numerical data, hence hoping that some in here are and can point me in the right direction!

For reference this is the report, there’s a video link within if you want to watch it:

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-25/covid-delta-variant-the-top-20-hotspots-in-england

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« Reply #58290 on: June 26, 2021, 09:43:34 am »
I just went along to a vaccine site as part of the "Big Covid-19 vaccination weekend" and had my second jab.  I'm not saying this to show off but I am very happy  ;D

The minimum gap between first and second vaccines was only 21 days so if anyone is in that window of being between 3 and 12 weeks since their first vaccine then probably worth checking out sites in your area.  The rules may be different if you're not in a Delta hot-spot so probably worth checking before you start queuing up.

Thanks for this mate, got my 2nd pfizer in London yesterday after only 4 weeks.

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« Reply #58291 on: June 26, 2021, 10:05:03 am »
I just went along to a vaccine site as part of the "Big Covid-19 vaccination weekend" and had my second jab.  I'm not saying this to show off but I am very happy  ;D

The minimum gap between first and second vaccines was only 21 days so if anyone is in that window of being between 3 and 12 weeks since their first vaccine then probably worth checking out sites in your area.  The rules may be different if you're not in a Delta hot-spot so probably worth checking before you start queuing up.

Heya. Where did you get that info from as the website says you have to wait 8 weeks: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site/

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« Reply #58292 on: June 26, 2021, 10:10:04 am »
I’d be interested in what people think about the delta deaths vs vaccine figures released on ITV news last night -

117 deaths of which :

44 were unvaccinated
23 had received a single dose
50 were fully vaccinated
All we’re over the age of 50

Is the rationale for this that vaccine or no vaccine, generally speaking the older you are, the higher risk you are and therefore you’d still expect t to see relatively high (comparatively) death figures in those with 2 jabs as they are the ones who are typically older (as older people are offered the vaccines sooner?)

The report was fairly sparse, and it did say that health officials are confident that the vaccines are reducing severe illness and death but nevertheless presumably you’d hope to see the ratio of deaths/vaccine to be lower?

I’m not always the best at analysing numerical data, hence hoping that some in here are and can point me in the right direction!

For reference this is the report, there’s a video link within if you want to watch it:

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-25/covid-delta-variant-the-top-20-hotspots-in-england

Its pretty much what you would expect to see if the vaccines were working well, the at-risk groups are all heavily vaccinated, but the vaccines obviously don't have 100% effectiveness, so there is still a heavy skew towards deaths in older people or those with underlying conditions, but the vaccine is weakening that link significantly.

The big evidence that vaccines are reducing deaths of course is just looking at the overall death rate now as a proportion of cases, which is far lower than it was in the earlier stages of the pandemic as the vaccines do their thing!

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« Reply #58293 on: June 26, 2021, 10:13:43 am »
Two of my colleagues have been off sick this week. Both vaccinated. One tested positive and the other didn't. That one could've had something else of course and we will likely see some respiratory viruses re emerge but she's lost taste and smell which are a bit unusual for bog standard viruses, but not unheard of. Interesting times. Suspect some will simply be more susceptible than others. Time will tell.
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« Reply #58294 on: June 26, 2021, 10:18:25 am »
Heya. Where did you get that info from as the website says you have to wait 8 weeks: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site/

Hi mate.

The reference to 8 weeks is from the current UK vaccine delivery programme, so that's just setting out the current logistics about delivering those doses.

Whereas the 3 weeks for Pfizer referenced is the minimum interval required based on current evidence (as set out in advice to health professionals administering doses, in what's known as the Green Book).

No need to spend any time reading it, but the source of this is here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-the-green-book-chapter-14a
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« Reply #58295 on: June 26, 2021, 10:19:53 am »
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-panel-review-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-2021-06-23/

FDA are moving to add risks of heart inflammation in young people to their Pfizer and Moderna fact sheets after taking a 2nd dose. Represents a small number atm and the benefits outweigh the risks but interesting move nonetheless.
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« Reply #58296 on: June 26, 2021, 10:20:47 am »
Its pretty much what you would expect to see if the vaccines were working well, the at-risk groups are all heavily vaccinated, but the vaccines obviously don't have 100% effectiveness, so there is still a heavy skew towards deaths in older people or those with underlying conditions, but the vaccine is weakening that link significantly.

The big evidence that vaccines are reducing deaths of course is just looking at the overall death rate now as a proportion of cases, which is far lower than it was in the earlier stages of the pandemic as the vaccines do their thing!

Thanks, that’s reassuring!

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« Reply #58297 on: June 26, 2021, 10:21:29 am »
Hi mate.

The reference to 8 weeks is from the current UK vaccine delivery programme, the 3 weeks for Pfizer reference is the minimum interval required based on current evidence (as set out in advice to health professionals administering doses, in what's known as the Green Book).

No need to spend any time reading it, but the source of this is here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-the-green-book-chapter-14a

Thanks mate. I just didn’t want to go to a walk in centre and they refuse to give me the second vaccine (I had Pfizer on 21st May).

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« Reply #58298 on: June 26, 2021, 10:53:00 am »
Two of my colleagues have been off sick this week. Both vaccinated. One tested positive and the other didn't. That one could've had something else of course and we will likely see some respiratory viruses re emerge but she's lost taste and smell which are a bit unusual for bog standard viruses, but not unheard of. Interesting times. Suspect some will simply be more susceptible than others. Time will tell.
Weird that they haven’t got tested if they’ve lost their sense of taste and smell.


Vaccination doesn’t stop all cases of course, but it makes a huge difference to the number and severity.

If we weren’t so highly vaccinated, this wave of delta variant would be far far worse than last March.  It’s potentially much much more deadly.

As it is, the vaccination seems to have got the mortality rates down to flu levels.

If the next two weeks shows continued small numbers of hospitalisations and deaths, surely there’s a  good argument to progress with stage 4 of opening up?
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« Reply #58299 on: June 26, 2021, 10:53:10 am »
Thanks mate. I just didn’t want to go to a walk in centre and they refuse to give me the second vaccine (I had Pfizer on 21st May).

Don't go to the Saracens Stadium, we won't give the vaccine to anyone less than 8 weeks here. So 1st of May or before then for second doses.

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« Reply #58300 on: June 26, 2021, 10:59:26 am »
Weird that they haven’t got tested if they’ve lost their sense of taste and smell.








One tested positive and one (with loss of taste/smell) negative

I'm sure we will open up next month and probably some measures like masks will be in places. I also think there's no doubt that the govt continual poor handling of the pandemic will mean people will suffer from covid unnecessarily because the numbers are so high. For the majority it won't be death but it'll still be significant for some. What happens as we get to winter and we start to reach 12 months after the vaccine is anyone's guess
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« Reply #58301 on: June 26, 2021, 11:02:33 am »
One tested positive and one (with loss of taste/smell) negative

I'm sure we will open up next month and probably some measures like masks will be in places. I also think there's no doubt that the govt continual poor handling of the pandemic will mean people will suffer from covid unnecessarily because the numbers are so high. For the majority it won't be death but it'll still be significant for some. What happens as we get to winter and we start to reach 12 months after the vaccine is anyone's guess
Yes, that’s an imponderable. 


How long will the vaccines last?  A lifetime, a year?
Sounds like the over 60s will get an autumn booster anyway though, so that should be sound.

My biggest worry now is getting kids vaccinated.  We can’t keep sending kids home all the time. It’s really damaging them. 

I was of the opinion we opened up too soon and that giving it three weeks or so more would have had a really impact  of getting case numbers low.


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« Reply #58302 on: June 26, 2021, 11:44:46 am »
Lots of talk of cancel culture..


But Clapton is a bigoted racist antivaxer yet keeps going.

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/eric-clapton-racist-outburst/

Big fan of Enoch Powell.. genuinely

the anti-vax to red-pilled to facist bigot pipeline is very real (and that includes POC in my experience)
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« Reply #58303 on: June 26, 2021, 11:45:53 am »
I've been "not right" since the first jab. Won't go into too much detail but the first period I had after getting it made me throw up with pain, and whilst I've been bad before it was by far the worst I've ever had. The other one after that wasn't much better, over a week late and agony again.

Eeek, hope it gets better very soon.
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« Reply #58304 on: June 26, 2021, 11:48:15 am »
I just went along to a vaccine site as part of the "Big Covid-19 vaccination weekend" and had my second jab.  I'm not saying this to show off but I am very happy  ;D

The minimum gap between first and second vaccines was only 21 days so if anyone is in that window of being between 3 and 12 weeks since their first vaccine then probably worth checking out sites in your area.  The rules may be different if you're not in a Delta hot-spot so probably worth checking before you start queuing up.

What vaccine?

I helped out at Wimbledon Centre Court yesterday and we pretty much denied anyone a walk-in second jab of AZ unless they were close to their 8 weeks (unless they had an urgent situation or flight booked for the next day or something). Maybe not worth people doing a trip unless it's in a convenient location!
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« Reply #58305 on: June 26, 2021, 11:58:11 am »
the anti-vax to red-pilled to facist bigot pipeline is very real (and that includes POC in my experience)
Why wouldn’t it? People are people, no matter what their back grounds, ethnicity or skin colour.
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« Reply #58306 on: June 26, 2021, 12:03:36 pm »
I'm not a fan of Clapton or have followed his career in any way, but from what I've known about him I never would have thought that he'd be such a c*nt. It's a bit as if someone discovered old footage of Mother Teresa eating chips and telling a kid asking for one "Piss off, I'm starving".

It’s not entirely good news on the mother Teresa front either  I’m afraid.
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Beat me to it too. :) For some background, stoa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

Mother Teresa was beyond disgusting and vile.


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« Reply #58307 on: June 26, 2021, 12:12:54 pm »
Maybe not, but she was no saint either.
Mother Teresa is, quite literally and officially, 'a saint' according to Pope Francis - beatified in 2015. ::)
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« Reply #58308 on: June 26, 2021, 12:16:25 pm »
Mother Teresa is, quite literally and officially, 'a saint' according to Pope Francis - beatified in 2015. ::)
I think he meant she was shite at diving headers.
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« Reply #58309 on: June 26, 2021, 12:24:49 pm »
What vaccine?

I helped out at Wimbledon Centre Court yesterday and we pretty much denied anyone a walk-in second jab of AZ unless they were close to their 8 weeks (unless they had an urgent situation or flight booked for the next day or something). Maybe not worth people doing a trip unless it's in a convenient location!

That 21 days was in reference to Pfizer

As you say, Az/Oxford ideally shouldn't be given to anyone prior to 8 weeks except in exceptional circumstances.

I'm going to quote the section on dosage schedule from the Green Book for health professionals I posted earlier, just for the sake of clarity (with the source at the bottom). Ignore the dosage volumes obviously, those are irrelevant to us

Dosing and schedule
Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2
The dose of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 30µg contained in 0.3ml of the diluted vaccine. After dilution each multidose vial can be used to deliver five or six doses of 0.3ml.
The vaccine should be administered in two doses, a minimum of 21 days apart.

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine
The dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is 0.5ml.
Based on good evidence of higher clinical protection, JCVI currently recommend that, ideally, an eight week minimum interval should be observed for this vaccine. An interval of 28 days may be observed when rapid protection is required (for example for those about
to receive immunosuppressive treatment).

Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
The dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine is 0.5ml.
The vaccine should be administered in two doses, a minimum of 28 days apart

No need to spend any time reading it, but the source of this is here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-the-green-book-chapter-14a

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« Reply #58310 on: June 26, 2021, 12:33:06 pm »
Ignore the Green Book as it doesn't reflect the recommendation from the JCVI.

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« Reply #58311 on: June 26, 2021, 01:03:10 pm »
Why wouldn’t it? People are people, no matter what their back grounds, ethnicity or skin colour.

I think a lot of my Asian and Black friends that are into conspiracies often have a blindspot for the 'link' with white supremacy many of these circles have.

Even when I was 17 I would've believed a lot of random conspiracies too. But it's often more down to being disenfranchised or anti-establishment as are a fair amount of my community.
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« Reply #58312 on: June 26, 2021, 01:06:14 pm »
Yeah I went to a walk in centre and they wouldn’t do it before 8 weeks, even for Pfizer.

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« Reply #58313 on: June 26, 2021, 01:32:22 pm »
I see it's 'a day out in London to protest against a virus and vaccines' day again.
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« Reply #58314 on: June 26, 2021, 02:28:23 pm »
Thanks for this mate, got my 2nd pfizer in London yesterday after only 4 weeks.

Where did you go for yours?

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« Reply #58315 on: June 26, 2021, 03:09:09 pm »
Got my second shot of Pfizer here in Aus - 3 weeks apart. 

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« Reply #58316 on: June 26, 2021, 03:42:52 pm »
Seeing more and more dickheads in pubs, on trains, on buses and in shops without masks

No doubt they all come out with "URGhh... Urve gut uh conditoun..."

My arse.
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« Reply #58317 on: June 26, 2021, 03:49:09 pm »
Can I just walk up and get my 2nd jab without booking in before 8 weeks after my first?

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« Reply #58318 on: June 26, 2021, 03:52:03 pm »
Seeing more and more dickheads in pubs, on trains, on buses and in shops without masks

No doubt they all come out with "URGhh... Urve gut uh conditoun..."

My arse.
I know exactly what you mean - we were in London a fortnight ago to see our daughter. On the train coming back home there was a group of foul-mouthed Engerland fans in our carriage, no masks and boozed up to the gills. When one of them walked past us to go the bogs, I said '...do you mind wearing a mask please, when moving around.' His reply was....'I'm exempt...and so are all my mates....'   :wanker

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« Reply #58319 on: June 26, 2021, 04:03:51 pm »
Yes, that’s an imponderable. 


How long will the vaccines last?  A lifetime, a year?
Sounds like the over 60s will get an autumn booster anyway though, so that should be sound.

My biggest worry now is getting kids vaccinated.  We can’t keep sending kids home all the time. It’s really damaging them. 

I was of the opinion we opened up too soon and that giving it three weeks or so more would have had a really impact  of getting case numbers low.




Think we should get the kids vaccinated before end of term. It'll be a lot easier logistically to do it in school. Also they'll then have at least some sort of protection before going away or visiting lots of family over the summer. Then do a second dose when they're back in next year.
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