Topic: Ref Watch !

[Ziltoid]

I'm not sure why Tomkins says Anthony Taylor treats us kindly(he said this in a previous article as well) as that appears counter intuitive.
If it's in terms of penalties then maybe the stats bear it out but the eye test when watching our games refereed by Taylor shows more soft free kicks given against us and harsh yellow cards given against us with the opposite to our opponents(you don't have to give major decisions against a team to influence a game).

His article is about foreign players and not Liverpool players although he does draw on our experiences given that he probably has most of that data to hand - he might have the data regards soft fouls/yellow cards etc but might still have to go through the statistical analysis before presenting those findings.  Would be very interesting to see a full blown academic report into this he alludes to.

[gazzalfc]

Bobby Madley: Referee to make Premier League return more than four years after sacking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63394543

They must be desperate

[Barneylfc∗]

Bobby Madley: Referee to make Premier League return more than four years after sacking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63394543

They must be desperate

Lock up your dogs.

[rafathegaffa83]

Bobby Madley: Referee to make Premier League return more than four years after sacking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63394543

They must be desperate

FFS. He was one of the worst, if not the worst, ref in the PL on his first go around. Bringing back Reffing Badly Bobby Madley is a sign of how dreadful PMGOL is run

[Barneylfc∗]

Are there any non white Premier League officials? Refs, assistants, VAR?

[Dr. Beaker]

Possibly should have started this at the beginning of the season, but anyway this is hopefully intended as a thread for honest assessment of the refereeing performances during our games.

I am thinking that maybe some kind of mark out of ten system should be used so we can measure whether performances are improving or deteriorating over the season. Something along the lines of:-

11   Pro LFC
10   Excellent
9     Didn’t fall for any shit
8    Competent
7    Unbiased
6    Made some good decisions
5    As competent as a random passing chimp
4    A bit shit, maybe
3    Dodgy
2    Always gives benefit of doubt to opposition, affecting final score.
1    Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson level of scouse hatred


Maybe there should be two scales, one for competence and one for bias/favouritism, and the grades may need adjusting – I’m open to suggestions. Possibly just a 1(unbiased) to 5(Howard Webbian) for the favouritism assessment.

[tubby]

This will never work because everyone is biased in some way, even those of us who don't buy into the corruption stuff.  Just look at the Utd game away to Palace, if it were us playing them and the same two incidents happened (an elbow to the face and a penalty claim), you'd have loads of people on here saying the ref was against Liverpool.  But because it happened to Utd, no one thinks anything of it.

[Barneylfc∗]

Pretty sure Andy started a similar thread (is there a topic Andy hasn't started a thread on  ) and it sank like a stone.

[Dave McCoy]

What is it with the PGMOL where beside a token women it's just middle to late aged white guys half of which look like they couldn't manage a kids lemonade stand? At most of the games the fans seem to contain multitudes and across the teams it's the same, yet you're telling me this is the only and best that can be found? Something stinks here.

[FlashGordon]

This will never work because everyone is biased in some way, even those of us who don't buy into the corruption stuff.  Just look at the Utd game away to Palace, if it were us playing them and the same two incidents happened (an elbow to the face and a penalty claim), you'd have loads of people on here saying the ref was against Liverpool.  But because it happened to Utd, no one thinks anything of it.

That penalty claim is laughable, McTominay kicked the defenders leg and fell over.

[Dr. Beaker]

Missed the entire second half due to lack of a stream. The stand-out poor decision in the first half was Jorginho falling over in his own box for no reason. I can understand refs not seeing something that actually does happen, but I can't understand how they do see something that hasn't happened. Oliver probably gets a 4 from what I saw.

[Barneylfc∗]

Missed the entire second half due to lack of a stream. The stand-out poor decision in the first half was Jorginho falling over in his own box for no reason. I can understand refs not seeing something that actually does happen, but I can't understand how they do see something that hasn't happened. Oliver probably gets a 4 from what I saw.

He ignored a blatant foul on Jones on the edge of the box right at the death but didn't miss him fouling one of their c*nts 5 seconds later. He's a sham of a referee. One of the worst out there.

[DelTrotter]

5 mins added was absolutely laughable, should have been 10 at least, nearer 15. Pointing to your watch all half is fucking pointless if you don't do anything about it. Loads of stoppages and they spent the whole half time wasting.

[reddebs]

All shite!

[rob1966]

He ignored a blatant foul on Jones on the edge of the box right at the death but didn't miss him fouling one of their c*nts 5 seconds later. He's a sham of a referee. One of the worst out there.

So fucking biased that decision it was untrue.

[Spanish Al]

5 mins added was absolutely laughable, should have been 10 at least, nearer 15. Pointing to your watch all half is fucking pointless if you don't do anything about it. Loads of stoppages and they spent the whole half time wasting.

Need to bring in the world cup style stoppage time.

Oliver gone the same way as Webb and Clattenburg. A fairly decent referee who once he became known as ‘the best’ has buried his head so far up his own arse he misses things constantly.

[rushyman]

Oliver was 2 today

Absolute shit. Seemed to have this ‘I’m a strong ref I won’t fall for the Anfield crowd’ but ended up just giving bad calls in Chelsea’s favour

Carragher levels of over compensating 

[BoRed]

Oliver was 2 today

Absolute shit. Seemed to have this ‘I’m a strong ref I won’t fall for the Anfield crowd’ but ended up just giving bad calls in Chelsea’s favour

Carragher levels of over compensating 

He's been like that in every game, home or away, since Pickford injured Van Dijk. As if he blames us for the biggest fuck-up of his career.

[vicar]

He was pretty poor today, without having to make many big calls. Used to be a decent ref, but I thought he got most things wrong today.

Oliver bowed to all the Chelsea complaints and falling over which helped them break up the game at key moment. Would like to see that trip on Curtis again near the box at the end, looked like they caught him but hard to be sure.

Didnt bother handling the time wasting, still don't understand how Kepa can stand there with the ball in his arms for 20 seconds before even putting it down before then pausing over the goal kick and Oliver does bugger all. Somehow in the first half there was 4 min injury time and in the second there was 5, should have been 10 at least.

Also the linesman on the Main stand side on the second half must have given about 5 throw-ins and a corner to chelsea when they were pretty clearly the other way. At one point Milner laughed in his face with his arms in the air.

[rob1966]

He was pretty poor today, without having to make many big calls. Used to be a decent ref, but I thought he got most things wrong today.

Oliver bowed to all the Chelsea complaints and falling over which helped them break up the game at key moment. Would like to see that trip on Curtis again near the box at the end, looked like they caught him but hard to be sure.

Didnt bother handling the time wasting, still don't understand how Kepa can stand there with the ball in his arms for 20 seconds before even putting it down before then pausing over the goal kick and Oliver does bugger all. Somehow in the first half there was 4 min injury time and in the second there was 5, should have been 10 at least.

Also the linesman on the Main stand side on the second half must have given about 5 throw-ins and a corner to chelsea when they were pretty clearly the other way. At one point Milner laughed in his face with his arms in the air.

BT showed a replay, was a clear foul.

Klopp asked that lineo was he blind

[duvva 💅]

Oliver was 2 today

Absolute shit. Seemed to have this ‘I’m a strong ref I won’t fall for the Anfield crowd’ but ended up just giving bad calls in Chelsea’s favour

Carragher levels of over compensating 

He's been like that in every game, home or away, since Pickford injured Van Dijk. As if he blames us for the biggest fuck-up of his career.

He really has fallen off a Cliff Liverpool midfield style. I agree up to the VVD Everton game he was easily the standout in the PL. not just that he was actually competent and did a good job most the time. Don’t think I’ve seen him have a good game since, and he was terrible today again. Less said about the linesman Klopp was infuriated by all second half

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I thought he was a fucking disgrace yesterday.

As fucking bent a performance as I've ever seen

Fucking c*nt.

But what do we think?

[Dim Glas]

Another ref thread, maybe there should just be one pinned.

They are all shit, not sure why one needs his own thread.

[jillcwhomever]

Another ref thread, maybe there should just be one pinned.

They are all shit, not sure why one needs his own thread.

Giving a free kick to Chelsea in that first half incident alone probably deserves some highlight for stupidity. I still don't get what the thought he saw. 

[Zlen]

He’s not bent. He is just cruising for years now, stagnating without any effort to improve.

The way he got his ‘best of’ reputation is by elevating himself slightly above the mediocrity herd - now he is back in the fold, just another PGMOL guy doing an average job with no concern about the consequences of poor performance.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Another ref thread, maybe there should just be one pinned.

They are all shit, not sure why one needs his own thread.

Because he used to be a great referee.

Most of them are absolute fucking wank that couldn't get a job in a fucking corner shop stacking shelves. They are stupid, arrogant, inbred fucking arseholes.

But this lad used to be good.

He now hasn't got a fucking clue. Not only that, but he was openly biased and shite yesterday. Absolute fucking inbred fucking clusterwhopper.

[vicar]

He has fallen off a cliff over the last 12 months, maybe longer. Maybe he started believing his own hype?

He was very poor yesterday, just some really bad decisions, which come to think of it has been the same every time i have seen him fpr quite a while now.
He had no choice but to book Curtis after barging their player over, but the only reason he did it was the pure frustration at being fouled in clear view of Oliver who waves play on - did it continuously with players being pulled back too.

[Barneylfc∗]

Another ref thread, maybe there should just be one pinned.

They are all shit, not sure why one needs his own thread.

Because Andy. I'm surprised he hasn't started a thread to discuss whether he should start a thread about starting threads.

[Wabaloolah]

The Curtis Jones non-foul on the edge of their box was ridiculous, I mean the guy was fouled twice in succession and he didn't give one of them.

He's not been the same since he had the lines cut into his hair that time

[rossipersempre]

Inbred wankstain that would be lucky to get a job in fucking Tescos

I believe psychiatrists call this projection.

Maybe host these pointless conspiracy polls in a more appropriate forum. Like in front of your bathroom mirror.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I believe psychiatrists call this projection.

Maybe host these pointless conspiracy polls in a more appropriate forum. Like in front of your bathroom mirror.

Watch the game. It's literally documented right in front of you.

[JRed]

Giving a free kick to Chelsea in that first half incident alone probably deserves some highlight for stupidity. I still don't get what the thought he saw. 

That was one of the worst decisions I have seen. Absolutely pathetic.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That was one of the worst decisions I have seen. Absolutely pathetic.

My ST is near the control room so you get a perfect view for offsides

The disallowed 'goal' was so blatent, I have no idea why it even went to VAR, but the lino didn't flag.

The second one later on was even worse, because it had gone through several 'phases' the 'goal' would have stood and the fucking gobshite was 3 yards offside.

The same bent fucking cheat gave us offside 3 times in the second half that weren't even close.

[The G in Gerrard]

The linesmen were piss poor yesterday and the referee.

[Legs]

It remains a mystery how Gallagher didnt get booked.

Ive been saying for ages Oliver in regards to us has been poor since the Van Djik injury he has clearly no love for us after that....words were probably said to him from us and rightly so

[Fromola]

He's rubbish but it's the Manc ones you dread getting.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

It remains a mystery how Gallagher didnt get booked.

Ive been saying for ages Oliver in regards to us has been poor since the Van Djik injury he has clearly no love for us after that....words were probably said to him from us and rightly so

Kicked the fuck out of our players all match.

Did 6 or 7 yellow card offences and fuck all.

Booking the young lad for the mistimed tackle was way out of order as well.

Oliver was as bent as fuck from start to finish. Fucking cheat.

[Eeyore]

Because Andy. I'm surprised he hasn't started a thread to discuss whether he should start a thread about starting threads.

Can we have a poll, to decide whether Andy should start a poll to see if he should start a thread about starting threads.

[Skeeve]

He used to be ok, not good, but at least not biased like all the non-manc fans that come from Manchester, he was shite yesterday though.

[duvva 💅]

It remains a mystery how Gallagher didnt get booked.

Ive been saying for ages Oliver in regards to us has been poor since the Van Djik injury he has clearly no love for us after that....words were probably said to him from us and rightly so

Mate of mine had £5 on Milner, Bajcetic & Gallagher to all be booked, would have won £505. He was not pleased