Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[rossipersempre]

Trust me, I agree with you. Very worried that their nerds and their data-driven approach is going to royally fuck us. And why is 'being close to Klopp' the data criteria anyway? Be bold and go for a new style rather than what can only be a pale imitation.

Interesting that a month ago, when Xabi was odds-on favourite, the club were briefing they were absolutely not looking for a "Klopp-lite" yet here we are, with the "close stylistic fit" giving us Slot of Feyenoord.

[Bennett]

You realise we’ve been a data driven approach since Klopps entire tenure right?

We've been it from the day FSG walked through the door and hired Damien Comolli and shite like Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll.

Literally everybody in the world said hire Klopp and he's performed miracles for close to a decade. Remember the internet going mad over Zorc? Common denominator is Klopp. The nerds in the corridors are just incidental to it all.

[johnny74]

I have a real and possibly irrational dislike of Dutch managers and Dutch football. So from Klopp to this does not seem very appealing.

I guess this will be our post-Fergie Moyes. The fall guy.

He's desperate for the PL and has said so. This is a dream job for him. But he has no qualifications for managing at that level. The PL would have tested Alonso and Amorim and will be entirely unforgiving of this guy.

[Andy82lfc]

Jesus he’s not even appointed yet, the team didn’t just turn shit overnight.

I honestly think you’ll be in for a shock if you don’t get what a fall off we will have after Klopp. All you need to do is look at anyone from Wini to Mane to Countinho to see how Klopp elevates players to levels above their previous. We just have to hope this Slot gamble of epic proportions will pay off.

[rossipersempre]

None of these managers comes with any guarantees it's just some of are trying to stay calmer then those hyping up their personal favourites.

Think it's safe to say Arne Slot is nobody's "personal favourite"

[Higgins79]

Jesus, the absolute state of this thread.

[Samie]

I have a real and possibly irrational dislike of Dutch managers and Dutch football. So from Klopp to this does not seem very appealing.

Total Football has been praised and spread over the world since the 60's and been sucessful but go off. 

[Draex]

I honestly think you’ll be in for a shock if you don’t get what a fall off we will have after Klopp. All you need to do is look at anyone from Wini to Mane to Countinho to see how Klopp elevates players to levels above their previous. We just have to hope this Slot gamble of epic proportions will pay off.

Why stress it? Klopp is leaving, his choice, I can’t change that but Liverpool will continue to exist after he has gone, so I’d rather be positive about the change.

[DarkOfTheManatee]

Trust me, I agree with you. Very worried that their nerds and their data-driven approach is going to royally fuck us. And why is 'being close to Klopp' the data criteria anyway? Be bold and go for a new style rather than what can only be a pale imitation.

I thought we were using 'nerds' to describe Edwards and co. in a tongue-in-cheek way, but the term is actually now being used like it's a genuine problem have data-savvy people running the club.

As though it hasn't been fundamental to our success during the Klopp tenure, and instead there's some sort of coup where the 'real football men' are being usurped by snivelling know-it-alls who don't actually bother watching football.

[disgraced cake]

Slot won it in a year Ajax went to shit, he only won it once and in a two horse race. Steve Mclaren done an arguably better job winning with Twente against a strong Ajax that year. Feyenoord also had not gone twenty years without winning like Sporting. Amorim has since then also gone onto (likely) win the league again, proving it was not just a fluke and that he has serious talent and the first Sporting manager to do that since the 60’s.

There is no comparison for me and as flabbergasted are you are in seeing differently I am too in how so many seem to rank Slot so highly suddenly when he has been linked to us.

If Feyenoord win their last four in the league, they'll end up on a better points tally than they did when they win it. That's how good PSV have been this season, it's relative to how other teams do. People can debate all day about what Amorim/Slot have done but it all looks remarkably similar to me. You can play devils advocate to everything. Amorim's first title win was behind closed doors, that isn't real football, to me it isn't anyway. To some it won't matter at all.

[jillcwhomever]

Why can Arsenal spend more than we do?

Remind me, what have Arsenal won for all this money they've spent?

[Barefoot Doctor]

From Melissa Reddy’s tweet it looks like it’s going to be Slot. Pretty underwhelming choice if true, doesn’t scream world class or elite to me. Clearly was the third choice after Xabi and Amorim.

Last time I was so underwhelmed was when we appointed Hodgson.

Second choice to Alonso, sure. But Amorim? I really don’t think we’d have struggled to get him if we wanted. The lad was on a flight chartered by West Ham yesterday, I’m not buying that we couldn’t convince him to take the Liverpool job. Much more believable to me that they just fancied Slot more.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

It appears his achievement at Feyenoord was just as great as Amorim's at Lisbon in terms of the scale of opposition he was facing

But Amorim is the sexy choice (even when he wasn't a few weeks ago) so there's piss and vinegar

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Second choice to Alonso, sure. But Amorim? I really don’t think we’d have struggled to get him if we wanted. The lad was on a flight chartered by West Ham yesterday, I’m not buying that we couldn’t convince him to take the Liverpool job. Much more believable to me that they just fancied Slot more.

But if you believe that you can't piss the bed about missing out on Amorim

[Crosby Nick]

Aye, she's taken over that fat man's empire.

Did he die or was that a rumour? Can’t even remember now!

[Motty]

Just pissed off there's no better alternatives out there at the moment but no idea why people think Amorim is miles ahead of Slot in any departments because he's not, both have done well in similar circumstances which is at 3rd best teams in leagues that are on a level par with each other, and doing it without spending much.

Can only put it down to hair vs no hair???

I think Slot could prove a lot of people wrong in here, mind you I thought that about Rodgers ffs 😂

[Samie]

Arne Slot believes that more defensive football – as espoused by Jose Mourinho – is not only more tiring but less stimulating for the players. He argues they cannot improve by primarily thinking about defending.

[@JBurtTelegraph]

[Samie]

Did he die or was that a rumour? Can’t even remember now!

He's six feet under mate. She was his apprentice for while, hence taking over the business.

[Original]

It appears his achievement at Feyenoord was just as great as Amorim's at Lisbon in terms of the scale of opposition he was facing

But Amorim is the sexy choice (even when he wasn't a few weeks ago) so there's piss and vinegar

Slot should have won the league with another club also if it wasn't for covid closing the league down

[killer-heels]

It appears his achievement at Feyenoord was just as great as Amorim's at Lisbon in terms of the scale of opposition he was facing

But Amorim is the sexy choice (even when he wasn't a few weeks ago) so there's piss and vinegar

To be fair the Dutch league is pretty bad. Its worse than the Portuguese league.

[Andy82lfc]

None of these managers comes with any guarantees it's just some of are trying to stay calmer then those hyping up their personal favourites.

You’re right non of them do, but some come with far less risk that others and far more proven qualities than others.

I don’t have any favourites personally and soon as Slot plays his first game I’ll be behind him but I’m not going to lie and pretend this is not the most underwhelming appointment and biggest gamble since the one that shall not be named. That’s just my opinion though and clearly others think Slot is more than capable, talented and skilled to take over from Klopp, that’s fair enough, I’m just not in that same camp.

[RyanBabel19]

I could easily be wrong but A. Think people are kidding themselves if they think this is some ploy to convince Amorim to change demands and B. How much has anyone here seen either of their two respective sides to be so convinced of... well, anything!

Opinions are one thing but so much is being stated with so much conviction and barely anyone watched eithers of these sides on an even semi-regular basis to know much about them at all

[rossipersempre]

We've been it from the day FSG walked through the door and hired Damien Comolli and shite like Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll.

Actually Downing was the nerd's choice with all his crossing stats. Carroll was Comolli's panic impulse purchase like a bag of overpriced sweets at the checkout. Adam was just a rare lack of judgment on Kenny's part.

The nerds in the corridors are just incidental to it all.

Unfortunately not. FSG love a nerd, going all the way back to Billy Beane and Theo Epstein. And while he was in Boston at that nerd conference, they just made Laptop Eddie an offer he couldn't refuse to run the whole show.

[IgorBobbins]

[jillcwhomever]

Think it's safe to say Arne Slot is nobody's "personal favourite"

Well, I am not panicking and I feel completely calm about it. I hope he proves everybody wrong on these embarrassing thread. Whoever had the task of following Klopp would have the same issues regardless. There are no mega managers out there despite all the hyping that people have done.

[rossipersempre]

To be fair the Dutch league is pretty bad. Its worse than the Portuguese league.

And their traditionally strongest team - Ajax - have just had the worst 2 seasons of their existence.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Slot should have won the league with another club also if it wasn't for covid closing the league down

Joint top with fucking AZ Alkmaar at the cancellation of the league and 9 games to go

[DelTrotter]

If Feyenoord win their last four in the league, they'll end up on a better points tally than they did when they win it. That's how good PSV have been this season, it's relative to how other teams do. People can debate all day about what Amorim/Slot have done but it all looks remarkably similar to me. You can play devils advocate to everything. Amorim's first title win was behind closed doors, that isn't real football, to me it isn't anyway. To some it won't matter at all.

Yeah I wanted Rubes but baffled at this talk one is seemingly light years ahead of the other, can make a case for either really. Quite excited by this, new manager, hopefully at least 3 new signings and we give it a go! I’d jib football entirely if I had the mindset of some in here, be arsed following it just to be permanently miserable.

[stoa]

Did he die or was that a rumour? Can’t even remember now!

He died, said he didn't die and then actually died. So yes, he's very much dead now.

[rossipersempre]

Well, I am not panicking and I feel completely calm about it. I hope he proves everybody wrong on these embarrassing thread. Whoever had the task of following Klopp would have the same issues regardless. There are no mega managers out there despite all the hyping that people have done.

There's a spectrum between panic and being calm though. Concern, apprehension, etc. Not sure how you can say you're fine and dandy with this rather strange appointment unless you're one of those "trust in FSG/Edwards as they brought in Klopp" types.

[Bennett]

Joint top with fucking AZ Alkmaar at the cancellation of the league and 9 games to go

Steve McClaren won it with Twente.

[Andy82lfc]

Why stress it? Klopp is leaving, his choice, I can’t change that but Liverpool will continue to exist after he has gone, so I’d rather be positive about the change.

I will be too mate eventually but can’t hide my disappointment right now. If you told me in December Klopp was going and some guy called Slot was taking over I’d have laughed my head off.

[Agent99]

So Slot likes his players to press more than Klopp did? Our medical department just collectively shit themselves.

[Bennett]

I will be too mate eventually but can’t hide my disappointment right now. If you told me in December Klopp was going and some guy called Slot was taking over I’d have laughed my head off.

Anyone who isn't is lying to themselves, plain and simple

[traustibm]

Remind me, what have Arsenal won for all this money they've spent?

Without Klopp, I see us at a similar place as before, when the same data driven policies were a priority. I hope to see myself wrong, and that this policy will work with the next manager. We’ll see, but it for sure didn’t work before we got Klopp. Klopp made miracles in Dortmund as well on a low budget. The problem I see is that we shouldn’t behave like outsiders. It reduces the whole aura, attraction and prestige of the club to act like that.

[jillcwhomever]

There's a spectrum between panic and being calm though. Concern, apprehension, etc. Not sure how you can say you're fine and dandy with this rather strange appointment unless you're one of those "trust in FSG/Edwards as they brought in Klopp" types.

I'm not a type of anything I have a mind of my own thanks, therefore I don't need to be in any group to have an opinion of my own. I am certainly not in the nerd's group either but I am guessing they had more information than any of us did. So I will give him a chance.

[alvaro]

This is underwhelming to say the least. The club has known since november that Klopp is leaving and we end up with a manager unproven in a big league?  Sorry but he has way less CV than Benitez or Klopp  had when they arrived. Slot is a massive massive risk. We may hit the jackpot with him (pun intended) but we should be doing better.

The other problem with somebody with no record is that we cant afford to give him a second season if he finishes 5th or something. Its different when Rodgers took over. We were midtable back then so he had leeway. The new manager is taking over a title contending team, he has to be plug and play.

[Samie]

I'd love to know from the fellas who are taking the piss out of data and analytics driven teams such as us think which top tier club in 2024 isn;t data driven and hasn't got a Sporting Director? 

[rossipersempre]

He's six feet under mate. She was his apprentice for while, hence taking over the business.

She gave an interview saying on the actual day he died (lung cancer) within hours, all his agency's players got calls from other agents.

[filopastry]

Think it's safe to say Arne Slot is nobody's "personal favourite"

He's turning into mine in response to the utter level of dickishness in this thread.