Topic: A time to reflect honestly or nothing to worry about ?

[MonsLibpool]

1. Old, tired centre midfielders.
2. Gomez been shit for years, sadly Matip now too.
3. Weak kids getting out powered for fun by mid-20’s athletes in every other EPL team.

I know we have issues but the attitude has been rotten. I don't mind us losing if we put in 200% and show some hunger but we look finished as a team. Something has to give.

[Knight]

The problem is the way clubs change abysmal form like this is by changing the manager. But if we do that we lose our most important asset - especially given the vacuum above him.

[Geezer08]

Wait wait…who the fuck is suggesting we sell Trent? Is that actually a thing?!

Exactly, who the fuck would buy him anyways?

[hide5seek]

Klopp will leave us in 3 seasons with 1 title and 1 Champions league. Its on FSG.

[killer-heels]

It wouldnt even feel bad if it was April. Its bloody 4th Feb.

[MonsLibpool]

Jurgen Klopp: “I can't explain it, I think why would you do that? But they did it anyway.”

I can't remember Jurgen ever calling the players out like this. Something is really wrong somewhere. Today feels like a breaking point. I'd stick with him and bin the underperforming players.

[Ste08]

I have been alarmed since the summer and nothing has changed. When you are in a position of strength you push on and don’t sit on your hands telling everyone how clever you are. That in itself told me all I needed to know about this ownership.

[red mongoose]

Fuck the result. I dont like the looks in Klopps eyes. He looks beaten, and out of energy.

This simply isn't true, and the fact that he doesn't look that way is one of the few things we have to hold onto at the moment.

[Garnier]

You can't call this a transitional season when there's no sign of what we're transitioning into.

This season is the car crash moment, the penny dropping, wheels falling off, coaches, players & staff approached this season like it was business as usual, there were no signs or indications that we had to be cautious with expectations - they were releasing books and laughing at other clubs making transfers late in the summer window.

If these were the five stages of grief, i'd say the club is slowly but surely moving past the denial stage.

[Legs]

Klopp will leave us in 3 seasons with 1 title and 1 Champions league. Its on FSG.

He might go before that.

If we are stuck with FSG we've had it as they are unlikely to invest what we need.

[Caps4444]

We have still got 17 league games to play.

Sooner we get to 40 points the better…..

[AmanShah21]

The problem is the way clubs change abysmal form like this is by changing the manager. But if we do that we lose our most important asset - especially given the vacuum above him.

If we lose Kloppo we'll need a full re-org which will take several years before we can get back to where we were and a lot of decisions will need to be made correctly. In my eyes, Jurgen is the most important individual at the club bar none. Everyone else has to go before he does. This is just my sentiment on the matter. I do think that we need to rebuild our recruitment team before we get even close to the summer because it might be our last chance to make the most of Jurgen. Someone needs to come in and do the clean up for Jurgen. I think this season has been an eye-opener for him with regards to player decline. Before now, he never got to keep the really good players long enough to see them decline and even then, what we've seen from many of the senior lads is shocking even by general trend. Hopefully this can help guide better decisions in the future.

[gazzam1963]

Klopp will leave us in 3 seasons with 1 title and 1 Champions league. Its on FSG.

And I’ve have snapped your hand off for that 8 years ago , he has won everything possible . We are certainly in a phase of transition though I’m holding my views on wether it’s a full blown crisis until after the summer to see where we are then.

I find it interesting that the two teams normally nailed on these last seasons for top four have struggled . Us and Chelsea both
played a huge amount of games last season , we played every game possible they got to 2 domestic finals , CL quarters , super cup and club World Cup .

They’ve also been hit with injuries and a loss of form and confidence and I think fatigue has also played a huge part on them this season 

[Red Beret]

I wouldn't blame Klopp if he stood down at the end of the season. Feels like FSG persuaded him to extend his contract solely to appeal to potential investors, rather than helm a rebuild.

Everton have to fancy their chances against us in this state.

[Pistolero]

You can't call this a transitional season when there's no sign of what we're transitioning into.

The Championship...

[Nick110581]

Klopp will leave us in 3 seasons with 1 title and 1 Champions league. Its on FSG.

Plus the other trophies he won.

[skipper757]

The Championship...

A draw at newly-promoted Plymouth Argyle would be utopia. 

[le_boss]

These situations always end one way unfortunately

[Chris~]

The Championship...

Might get to see us win again this year though

[red mongoose]

He might go before that.

If we are stuck with FSG we've had it as they are unlikely to invest what we need.

He won't walk, and they aren't stupid or irresponsible (or interested) enough to sack him, and we won't be stuck with them. They will sell the lot as soon as they get a buyer, and it really shouldn't take that much longer, relatively speaking. We just have to keep holding on. The next huge thing to look out for is the appointment of a sporting director, which I would hope isn't dependent on a sale, but fear might be especially with Ward nominally in place until the end of the season.

[meady1981]

Limbopool

[clinical]

These situations always end one way unfortunately

Give us new owners and Klopp and will be very different.

[Fromola]

Season was written off in Jan so we just need to adapt tactically and go back to the very basics. Bring in a few kids and battlers like Phillips. We can't lose every week until May.

Big changes in the summer.

[Legs]

He won't walk, and they aren't stupid or irresponsible (or interested) enough to sack him, and we won't be stuck with them. They will sell the lot as soon as they get a buyer, and it really shouldn't take that much longer, relatively speaking. We just have to keep holding on. The next huge thing to look out for is the appointment of a sporting director, which I would hope isn't dependent on a sale, but fear might be especially with Ward nominally in place until the end of the season.

I hope not but nothing is certain and in football rule nothing out.

[LifelongRed, Sussex]

Interesting next season, zero European football for us, when did that last happen.

Entire week’s training for most EPL games.  On paper a good thing, but will it mean a downer for the squad?

Bellingham, Caicedo etc - would they fancy a club not in European competitions?

[DelTrotter]

Interesting next season, zero European football for us, when did that last happen.

Entire week’s training for most EPL games.  On paper a good thing, but will it mean a downer for the squad?

Bellingham, Caicedo etc - would they fancy a club not in European competitions?

It'll be used as an excuse for us to have a smaller squad, we'll get a few injuries then be fucked. Don't think we'll have much problem attracting players, it's one terrible season and we are the biggest club on the planet along with Real so we'll be fine there.

If we actually try to spend any money that is.

[Lone Star Red]

https://twitter.com/infogolapp/status/1621923835304869889?s=46&t=spfclrauuFK_EKZNyRK6YA

[red mongoose]

I hope not but nothing is certain and in football rule nothing out.

Sure, but we have to maintain our sanity somehow for the next four months - best not to think about the darkest timeline
lest we invite the c*nt in.

[UntouchableLuis]

Apparently Klopp refused to answer a question from James Pearce and made reference to something he wrote recently as the reason. What was it?

[Chris~]

It'll be used as an excuse for us to have a smaller squad, we'll get a few injuries then be fucked. Don't think we'll have much problem attracting players, it's one terrible season and we are the biggest club on the planet along with Real so we'll be fine there.

If we actually try to spend any money that is.

We absolutely should have a smaller squad. Shouldn't be looking at much more than 20 senior players with no European Football and there's plenty we could pick from to move on.

[DelTrotter]

We absolutely should have a smaller squad.

I'm sure that'd end well with our injury record!

[Tony19:6]

I wouldn't blame Klopp if he stood down at the end of the season. Feels like FSG persuaded him to extend his contract solely to appeal to potential investors, rather than helm a rebuild.

Everton have to fancy their chances against us in this state.

1) I thought it was his missus who convinced him to extend

2) Agree

[didi shamone]

We have still got 17 league games to play.

Don't threaten me..

[Adeemo]

This is going to end horribly.

[Dave McCoy]

I could just copy/paste my posts from October/November. It's one thing to get your guess wrong on the age curve on some players and keep them a year too long that leads to no longer being a PL/CL title challenger. It's a completely different thing to have it to where you just fall off a cliff across the board and seemingly no longer are able to physically compete. Almost every game now we can't sustain anything for 90 minutes and there are varying times during those games the other team looks consistently stronger, faster, hungrier and better than us. I wouldn't doubt we could make a non-league team look threatening for a 10 minute spell at this point.

Only real examples of stuff like this in recent history are Mourinho last year at Chelsea or Spurs or Poch's last year at Spurs, just where the players no longer want or can go again. It has to be an clubhouse issue and probably has been since week 1.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Says our resident psychologist.

[RK7]

Interesting next season, zero European football for us, when did that last happen.

Entire week’s training for most EPL games.  On paper a good thing, but will it mean a downer for the squad?

Bellingham, Caicedo etc - would they fancy a club not in European competitions?

We had a week to prepare for Brighton, got smashed, a week to prepare for today, same outcome.

[Red Beret]

1) I thought it was his missus who convinced him to extend

2) Agree

You're right of course, but he must have been under the impression that certain conditions would be met on squad building, transfer funds etc

[newterp]

You're right of course, but he must have been under the impression that certain conditions would be met on squad building, transfer funds etc

I wouldn't put it FSG to have lied to him - and not tipped their hand about selling.

[Solomon Grundy]

Wait wait…who the fuck is suggesting we sell Trent? Is that actually a thing?!

Selling him is an absurd suggestion. I wouldn't be against trying to convert him into a midfielder though. He's not looked the same fullback since he beefed up.