Author Topic: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World * (Read 2894809 times)

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #3400 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:02:50 pm »

Quote from: goalrushatgoodison on March 18, 2018, 08:04:40 pm

Comparisons to Messi and Suarez are widespread but for me he looks like the re-incarnation of George Best. He even looks a little like him - Best was more more two footed admittedly but that third goal yesterday was so like something Best would have done.

Best is a decent comparison, but he was more a pure winger. For me, Salah is a carbon copy of Thierry Henry - a winger who plays as a striker, playing as a winger. Best was more of a dribbler, whereas Henry and Salah could dribble, but their speed and agility absolutely slaughter any defender who isn't mentally switched on. Which - for me - makes Firmino the "Bergkamp" - dropping off the front, collecting it, flicking it on, scoring wonder goals.

Which means that Keita is going to be the Viera

RedSince86 · « **Reply #3401 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:09:31 pm »

goalrushatgoodison · « **Reply #3402 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:24:56 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on March 18, 2018, 09:02:50 pm

Best is a decent comparison, but he was more a pure winger. For me, Salah is a carbon copy of Thierry Henry - a winger who plays as a striker, playing as a winger. Best was more of a dribbler, whereas Henry and Salah could dribble, but their speed and agility absolutely slaughter any defender who isn't mentally switched on. Which - for me - makes Firmino the "Bergkamp" - dropping off the front, collecting it, flicking it on, scoring wonder goals.

Which means that Keita is going to be the Viera

Best was much more than a winger POP. But he wasn't always as direct as either Salah or Henry.- I acknowledge that. In fact I posted this earlier in the season.

Quote from: goalrushatgoodison on December 17, 2017, 05:25:15 pm

Salah reminds me of George Best. Don't get me wrong he's not as good as George and he is much more direct than Best was but when Best was direct, which he often was, Salah is exactly like him.

His balance and the drop of the shoulder also reminds me of Best. Neither were particularly small men, both 5 ft 9, and actually tog (ged) out taller if anything, but they seem to have/had remarkable balance and the ability to get shots away when most would be sitting on their backside.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #3403 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:46:20 pm »

Quote from: goalrushatgoodison on March 18, 2018, 09:24:56 pm

Best was much more than a winger POP. But he wasn't always as direct as either Salah or Henry.- I acknowledge that. In fact I posted this earlier in the season.

His balance and the drop of the shoulder also reminds me of Best. Neither were particularly small men, both 5 ft 9, and actually tog (ged) out taller if anything, but they seem to have/had remarkable balance and the ability to get shots away when most would be sitting on their backside.

Yeah Best's balance was phenomenal. Which is ironic

I had a mate who played against him in a friendly once. He said you could smell the drink off him from yards away. But you couldn't get the ball off him, even then.

I know he played for them, but still - what a player.

The thing that puts Salah more in line with Henry than Best for me is that Best was also a good crosser of the ball (to Dennis Law). Apart from yesterday, I don't know if crossing is a big part of Salah's game?

Having said that, I'm certainly not against Salah being favourably compared to one of the best players the British Isles has ever produced (if not THE best?)

terry_macss_perm · « **Reply #3404 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:29:44 pm »

It’s difficult comparing players from different eras.

Best was brilliant but played at a time when 99.9% of First Division players were British and Irish.

You would suspect that if those lads were young men today then two thirds of them would be in the Championship. So the overall standard was significantly lower.

Having said that, Best and others from that era played with old fashioned footballs on surfaces that often resembled ploughed fields against defenders who could get away with GBH before the ref would consider a booking.

So in other ways it’s easier for modern attackers to look good.

Coolie High · « **Reply #3405 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:40:52 pm »

Quote from: terry_macs_perm on March 18, 2018, 10:29:44 pm

It’s difficult comparing players from different eras.

Best was brilliant but played at a time when 99.9% of First Division players were British and Irish.

You would suspect that if those lads were young men today then two thirds of them would be in the Championship. So the overall standard was significantly lower.

Having said that, Best and others from that era played with old fashioned footballs on surfaces that often resembled ploughed fields against defenders who could get away with GBH before the ref would consider a booking.

So in other ways it’s easier for modern attackers to look good.

Don't think that matters when he was in a United team that also dominated Europe, and also around the same time England won their only World Cup.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #3406 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:46:45 pm »

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elbow · « **Reply #3407 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:58:58 pm »

Quote from: RedSince86 on March 18, 2018, 09:09:31 pm

You tell the Grandchildren that Sanchez is shite and Salah is fuckin' boss.

Use those exact words.

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3408 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:13:06 pm »

Quote from: terry_macs_perm on March 18, 2018, 10:29:44 pm

It’s difficult comparing players from different eras.

Best was brilliant but played at a time when 99.9% of First Division players were British and Irish.

You would suspect that if those lads were young men today then two thirds of them would be in the Championship. So the overall standard was significantly lower.

Then he played against Benfica and the best in Europe and made them look..what? League 2 level?

Best was brilliant.

the 92A · « **Reply #3409 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:38:57 pm »

Watch the 68 European cup final, Best and Eusebio lighting up a match and trying not to be kicked off the park by the likes of gud old Nobby Stiles who just kicks anything that moves. Watched Best at his prime and his grace his balance his skill and tenacity were obvious even though he rarely played well at anfield. Sometimes players are so good they look from a different era, superb to watch even as a Man Utd player

Timbo's Goals · « **Reply #3410 on:** March 18, 2018, 11:54:38 pm »

Got to come in on this one, seeing as Bestie was the best I ever saw by a distance [yeah Kenny and Luis included].

After Mo's first half dozen games I was telling anyone who cared to listen how much he reminded me of Bestie - albeit still a fair way to go before he can be said to have reached the Bestie level of genius.

I guess the the most succinct way I can sum up the parallel based on Mo's performances this season is that both were ostensibly wingers who were nothing really like the orthodox definition of a winger but instead knew instinctively that the object of the entire fucking thing is to get the ball in the onion bag asap whether on their own or by helping their teammates.

riismeister · « **Reply #3411 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:16:46 am »

stockdam · « **Reply #3412 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:18:50 am »

Quote from: goalrushatgoodison on March 18, 2018, 09:24:56 pm

Best was much more than a winger POP. But he wasn't always as direct as either Salah or Henry.- I acknowledge that. In fact I posted this earlier in the season.

His balance and the drop of the shoulder also reminds me of Best. Neither were particularly small men, both 5 ft 9, and actually tog (ged) out taller if anything, but they seem to have/had remarkable balance and the ability to get shots away when most would be sitting on their backside.

It’s hard to compare players in different eras.

As you said, Best was not a winger. At times he was a deep lying midfielder who would go on long mazy runs. Salah plays further forwards.

Both have/had amazing skill and balance. Both are hard to knock off the ball and both can score just as you think they are surrounded. On his day, Best didn’t need help from his team-mates as he was quite capable of beating 5 or 6 players and then scoring.

Best played at a remarkably high level for many years and Salah would need to stay at his current level for at least another 5 years to be comparable.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #3413 on:** March 19, 2018, 01:13:05 am »

Quote from: The 92A on March 18, 2018, 11:38:57 pm

Watch the 68 European cup final, Best and Eusebio lighting up a match and trying not to be kicked off the park by the likes of gud old Nobby Stiles who just kicks anything that moves. Watched Best at his prime and his grace his balance his skill and tenacity were obvious even though he rarely played well at anfield. Sometimes players are so good they look from a different era, superb to watch even as a Man Utd player

Including George Best...

El Ninos Black Eye · « **Reply #3414 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:25:31 am »

Just been working it out with my 11 year old (as he’s a statto) and there is only 4 teams he hasn’t scored against in the league this season, the record is 17 teams. He can still get 18 if he scores against Palace, West Brom and Brighton. If he did this the only team he wouldn’t have score against is United

Ravishing Rick Dude · « **Reply #3415 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:32:02 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on March 18, 2018, 09:00:24 pm

So you're saying you're gagging to see him topless?

I want to see his nipples.

an fear dearg · « **Reply #3416 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:35:02 am »

Quote from: El Ninos Black Eye on March 19, 2018, 08:25:31 am

Just been working it out with my 11 year old (as he’s a statto) and there is only 4 teams he hasn’t scored against in the league this season, the record is 17 teams. He can still get 18 if he scores against Palace, West Brom and Brighton. If he did this the only team he wouldn’t have score against is United

He can complete the lot in the CL final....oh wait....

clinical · « **Reply #3417 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:58:13 am »

Quote from: RedSince86 on March 18, 2018, 10:46:45 pm

I'm going to wait till the end of the season to watch something like this. His target has to be mid 40s now. We have minimum of 9 games left.

Spongebob Redpants · « **Reply #3418 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:48:46 am »

Quote from: Rick-40 on March 19, 2018, 08:32:02 am

I want to see his nipples.

Ha ha !

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #3419 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:50:27 am »

Quote from: Medellin on March 18, 2018, 01:59:07 pm

Drone pic of Stanley park today..

Shouldn't the Sphinx be placed where that wooden shed is?

[streety] · « **Reply #3420 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:51:45 am »

Well I was happy that he scored four on Saturday. Not sure my 2yo feels the same.
https://youtu.be/ATNVzKgAm6g

jepovic · « **Reply #3421 on:** March 19, 2018, 10:23:43 am »

His numbers are even more crazy since there are no penalties or set pieces, and no distance shooting. It's all in the box. You can see what he's up to before it happens, but he's just too good. The quickness when he changes direction with the ball is just insane, and reminds me a lot of Maradona. His center of gravity must be inches above the pitch.
Then he has Messi's ability to shoot with surgical precision. He's not at their level, but the style is very similar.

Original · « **Reply #3422 on:** March 19, 2018, 10:28:13 am »

Quote from: jepovic on March 19, 2018, 10:23:43 am

His numbers are even more crazy since there are no penalties or set pieces, and no distance shooting. It's all in the box. You can see what he's up to before it happens, but he's just too good. The quickness when he changes direction with the ball is just insane, and reminds me a lot of Maradona. His center of gravity must be inches above the pitch.
Then he has Messi's ability to shoot with surgical precision. He's not at their level, but the style is very similar.

Some pens

Sheer Magnetism · « **Reply #3423 on:** March 19, 2018, 10:30:17 am »

Not sure if it's been mentioned but if he gets seven in the last eight games salah breaks the all-time premier league goal scoring record for a season. He's already four off the all-time 38-game record.

kcbworth · « **Reply #3424 on:** March 19, 2018, 11:34:24 am »

Quote from: Sheer Magnetism on March 19, 2018, 10:30:17 am

Not sure if it's been mentioned but if he gets seven in the last eight games salah breaks the all-time premier league goal scoring record for a season. He's already four off the all-time 38-game record.

Good discussion on it at https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=329943.320

lionel_messias · « **Reply #3425 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:27:59 pm »

Quote from: goalrushatgoodison on March 18, 2018, 08:04:40 pm

Comparisons to Messi and Suarez are widespread but for me he looks like the re-incarnation of George Best. He even looks a little like him - Best was more more two footed admittedly but that third goal yesterday was so like something Best would have done.

And incredibly, I read in the Times today Cascarino said he was like "Kevin Keagan but with more technical ability".

With these sorts of comparisons, we all have to absolutely delighted with Mo. He's a superstar, champagne supernova.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #3426 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:30:16 pm »

Quote from: markedasred on March 18, 2018, 11:35:47 am

Bloody hell though, we paid £30m with £4m in add ons, and the way he so nonchalantly knocks them in, we can kiss that bloody £4m goodbye now.

deadsetred · « **Reply #3427 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:36:35 pm »

Can you imagine if someone from the future travelled back in time and showed you this before the season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3KM8CpkAj4

Samie · « **Reply #3428 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:49:55 pm »

Quote from: Original on March 19, 2018, 10:28:13 am

Some pens

One pen. BIC I presume.

Qston · « **Reply #3429 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:54:31 pm »

Quote from: Sheer Magnetism on March 19, 2018, 10:30:17 am

Not sure if it's been mentioned but if he gets seven in the last eight games salah breaks the all-time premier league goal scoring record for a season. He's already four off the all-time 38-game record.

....and De Bruyne still appears a shoe in for player of the year. Surely Salah is now the favourite or is voting finished in November or something daft ?

Carra-ton · « **Reply #3430 on:** March 19, 2018, 01:16:06 pm »

Quote from: deadsetred on March 19, 2018, 12:36:35 pm

Can you imagine if someone from the future travelled back in time and showed you this before the season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3KM8CpkAj4

I have seen the future and there will be a LFC-Solanke 40 Goals in 2018-19 season same time next year.

elsewhere · « **Reply #3431 on:** March 19, 2018, 02:09:16 pm »

When was the last time an African player won the Player of The Year or Golden Boot awards?

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3432 on:** March 19, 2018, 02:13:50 pm »

You have to go weah back.

SlowRap · « **Reply #3433 on:** March 19, 2018, 02:27:49 pm »

Quote from: elsewhere on March 19, 2018, 02:09:16 pm

When was the last time an African player won the Player of The Year or Golden Boot awards?

Drogba?

Fiasco · « **Reply #3434 on:** March 19, 2018, 02:33:25 pm »

I'm starting to feel bad for Roma. We absolutely fucking rinsed them.

Mr_Shane · « **Reply #3435 on:** March 19, 2018, 04:16:40 pm »

We have essentially paid them 1 million for every goal scored.

lionel_messias · « **Reply #3436 on:** March 19, 2018, 04:22:56 pm »

Quote from: Fiasco on March 19, 2018, 02:33:25 pm

I'm starting to feel bad for Roma. We absolutely fucking rinsed them.

Don't be, feel sorry for us - if we wanted to sign their Brazilian goal-keeper next.

Ravishing Rick Dude · « **Reply #3437 on:** March 19, 2018, 04:28:07 pm »

Quote from: Fiasco on March 19, 2018, 02:33:25 pm

I'm starting to feel bad for Roma. We absolutely fucking rinsed them.

He wouldn't be this great if he stayed.

Clint Eastwood · « **Reply #3438 on:** March 19, 2018, 05:02:31 pm »

Probably been mentioned, but he's scored one more goal than Messi this season despite ~70 fewer shots.

That's ridiculous.

keyop · « **Reply #3439 on:** March 19, 2018, 05:26:23 pm »

Get tight, and he'll beat you with skill. Give him space, and he'll beat you with speed.

Either way, if you're a defender, you're basically fucked

Absolutely love everything about him - plays with a smile, a joy to watch, hardworking, a real team player, and very humble. The Messi comparisons are not just about the goals.