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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of LFC
« Reply #40 on: March 4, 2017, 01:13:50 am »
I have no problems going with what you say buddy although I admit no idea where my pension or funds are invested!
I have no idea what you are proposing because I'm pretty sure both of us would be pissing in the wind if you are talking about Liverpool being a socialist club.

You do realise FSG are a capitalist organisation?

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #41 on: March 4, 2017, 03:23:30 am »
Please it's not even worth debating this. Saudi Arabia is a medieval head chopping fuck up of a country ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/transgender-pakistani-saudi-arabia-tortured-death-amna-meeno-11-custody-lgbt-rights-human-a7607446.html
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #42 on: March 4, 2017, 03:27:36 am »
And yet hypothetically if this was a takeover, very few would be up in arms about it if it enabled us to compete with the big boys again.  Not compete but beat them and add a few more League and European Cups.

Everyone is dodgy in this kind of work You don't become billionaires by not doing a few dodgy things.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #43 on: March 4, 2017, 03:37:11 am »
Personally, I think we're really debating where someone makes the decision, for themselves and with regard to their own conscience, that they can't support this sort of shit anymore, whatever 'this sort of shit' really is. To anyone who can't, good on you, and best wishes, and I hope some day I'll have the balls to join you.

Currently, though, me, I'm still a bit chained, I talk shit to make the other side, the good side, feasible. I can pretend it won't just keep on getting worse, that some altruistic murderer will find a way to net us, but will be sitting far enough away I can pretend it's not really his, or her, blood money I'm clapping my hands to.

To anyone who can give up now, I'd say do it, and with my best good will and feeling, but coming in here for you, you're just going to find people like me, who despite every piece of world, life, they know, and feel to the contrary, are still willing to hunt hard for the impossible alternative,. despite knowing it isn't there, won't be, and probably never was.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #44 on: March 4, 2017, 03:39:05 am »
Apologies if none of that made sense, it does to me, and it felt to try and say it right when the moment is clear.

Love you all, probs  :)
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #45 on: March 4, 2017, 03:40:06 am »
Personally, I think we're really debating where someone makes the decision, for themselves and with regard to their own conscience, that they can't support this sort of shit anymore, whatever 'this sort of shit' really is. To anyone who can't, good on you, and best wishes, and I hope some day I'll have the balls to join you.

Currently, though, me, I'm still a bit chained, I talk shit to make the other side, the good side, feasible. I can pretend it won't just keep on getting worse, that some altruistic murderer will find a way to net us, but will be sitting far enough away I can pretend it's not really his, or her, blood money I'm clapping my hands to.

To anyone who can give up now, I'd say do it, and with my best good will and feeling, but coming in here for you, you're just going to find people like me, who despite every piece of world, life, they know, and feel to the contrary, are still willing to hunt hard for the impossible alternative,. despite knowing it isn't there, won't be, and probably never was.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #46 on: March 4, 2017, 03:41:37 am »
Apologies if none of that made sense, it does to me, and it felt to try and say it right when the moment is clear.

Love you all, probs  :)

May I reassure you ... you indeed made no fucking sense whatsoever.

You're welcome.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #47 on: March 4, 2017, 08:26:45 am »
I will be ashamed to have those human rights violators being given red carpet at Anfield. We are a different club to others. We have a soul. We want to win and want money but not by selling soul. There must be people interested to invest in Liverpool football club surely who are not scums?

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #48 on: March 4, 2017, 10:14:59 am »
I will be ashamed to have those human rights violators being given red carpet at Anfield. We are a different club to others. We have a soul. We want to win and want money but not by selling soul. There must be people interested to invest in Liverpool football club surely who are not scums?

You didn't bother to read past the headline or even some of the first posts in this thread did you?

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #49 on: March 4, 2017, 10:50:49 am »
So go on then ... which country for you is morally okay to invest in LFC?  ::)



It would be a short list but then why should any country or state invest in our club or be given the VIP treatment by us?

I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss investment from companies who come from those countries, as they're unlikely to be the ones chopping off heads themselves or treating women as second class citizens, in the same way that the Saudi Royal Family do.

Companies from these problematic countries can have their own internal values that reflect LFC's, so that's not a problem.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #50 on: March 4, 2017, 11:53:21 am »
And yet hypothetically if this was a takeover, very few would be up in arms about it if it enabled us to compete with the big boys again.  Not compete but beat them and add a few more League and European Cups.

Everyone is dodgy in this kind of work You don't become billionaires by not doing a few dodgy things.

This occurs regularly in the FSG topic, and there are more voices against morally bankrupt sugar daddies than people wanting them.

Not all billionaires are morally equivalent.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #51 on: March 4, 2017, 12:07:30 pm »
I want nothing to do with New Balance, won't buy anything made by them. If they just stay purely as the suppliers of the kit and nothing more, I can sort of put some distance between me supporting LFC, as I have done since I was a child, and my discomfort with shite like this... but it is a niggle, no doubt. Baby & bathwater situation though.

They can get to fuck hosting them at Anfield.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #52 on: March 4, 2017, 12:42:45 pm »
So the Saudi family is getting into business with our Kit Sponsor, which part makes you uncomfortable?
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #53 on: March 4, 2017, 12:51:31 pm »
The world is getting more fucked up if we have to have these around our club, I'd prefer if they'd stay well away.

When they start treating women as equals, stop lopping heads off, embrace democracy and enter the 21st century, they'll deserve a chance to go for deals like this but until then they should be told to take a walk. By engaging with regimes like this our club is cheapened and while in this era that's not difficult to achieve, this is one association that takes us down another peg.
 
Who has embraced "democracy" whole hearted? Last time i checked, the UK and US ate still scalp deep in regime change. They bang on about free elections yet will send their own troops or weapons to get the best democracy they can buy.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of LFC
« Reply #54 on: March 4, 2017, 01:04:20 pm »
The part where they were welcomed into Anfield despite their human rights issues and being pretty far away from the values we aspire to as a club?

As I said, I'm not massively well equipped to say whether it's right or wrong, but my initial reaction was discomfort.

Sadly these days no top club is untouched by links to businesses , organisations, individuals or states that have committed unsavoury acts
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #55 on: March 5, 2017, 05:50:16 pm »
Get these women-banning, gay-killing, head-chopping c*nts out of my club.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #56 on: March 5, 2017, 05:59:14 pm »
Disgusted that LFC, and our supporters, would consider accepting investment from this morally repugnant regime. The ideological and financial supporters of ISIS. Atheist murdering, adulterer stoning, homosexual hanging, women hating antisemitic fascists. And some of you would welcome that into our club, for a better central defender? Liverpool? Really.? Hang your heads in shame. Socialists? My arse.

It's absolute nonsense that Saudi Arabia supports ISIS. ISIS hate Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia hate ISIS.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #57 on: March 5, 2017, 06:07:52 pm »
It's absolute nonsense that Saudi Arabia supports ISIS. ISIS hate Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia hate ISIS.
They don't support just created ISIS and most other terrorist outfits in middle East and South Asia with their oil money and wahabism
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #58 on: March 5, 2017, 06:08:17 pm »
So people boycotting New Balance ? Good. Anything to get away from these Trump supporting pricks.

As for the topic of anything associated with us ever being in any collaboration with Saudi Arabia, not sure if you're going to be able to build a globally successful brand without including one of the biggest players in the market. Unless you prefer isolationism and risk losing a huge chunk of investment in/from the middle east. Which is just bad business.

I'll stay away from the moral questions as they result in petty squabbles.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #59 on: March 5, 2017, 06:21:33 pm »
And yet hypothetically if this was a takeover, very few would be up in arms about it if it enabled us to compete with the big boys again.  Not compete but beat them and add a few more League and European Cups.

Everyone is dodgy in this kind of work You don't become billionaires by not doing a few dodgy things.


It's one thing to overlook how a billionaire makes their money, it's quite something else to overlook an investment from a government that is still uncertain with giving women the right to drive cars. As a government, the way they stifle discussion and debates on social, religious, and other issues, sets an extremely bad precedent for other Muslim governed countries. They may not have directly created the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS, but their oppression and lack of debate creates an underground fanatical response that seemingly rears it's head as soon as turmoil grows in the Middle East.

I understand in the current era of business, regions are just markets to be exploited and maximised, but I'd rather our club had nothing to do with the Saudis.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #60 on: March 5, 2017, 06:23:20 pm »
not a fan of new balance gear at all. these nb liverpool tracksuit pants i have on feel as cheap as shit. the liverpool crest will wash off them .dont get me started on their garbage retro trainers. their trainers were shite back in the 90s. who the fuck wants them now.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #61 on: March 5, 2017, 06:34:47 pm »
The bosses of New Balance are matey with FSG hence why it's being held at Anfield. Don't understand what the club is getting out of it like.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #62 on: March 5, 2017, 06:38:40 pm »
Love how people are saying how bad Saudi Arabia etc are. Like the Americans or the UK for that matter are much better.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #63 on: March 5, 2017, 06:50:27 pm »
Nail on head clinical, to be honest i hate this new era of us all being more informed!  part of me wishes we were in the pre internet age and we were all blind to this shitty world because lets face it the only way forward is being owned by the fans.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #64 on: March 5, 2017, 07:03:07 pm »
Love how people are saying how bad Saudi Arabia etc are. Like the Americans or the UK for that matter are much better.

I feel like there should be a scorecard or something for the players at home...

We here in the US are still in top form with the coup in Honduras still fresh, drone bombings all over the middle east, and some precious xenophobia percolating in the sphincter of our political beltway.   And boy do we as Americans have a nice bit of history for regime change -

1. Displacing/butchering native Americans and later on using them as a billboard to bypass gambling laws
2. Overthrowing Mossedegh in Iran
3. Killing Patrice Lumumba in the Congo
4. Allende overthrow and Pinochet support - Chile (first great experiment in how neoliberal economics is a disaster for labor/workers)
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6. WWII Savior Meme --- although it took US years to declare war --- when Russians, and non US-Allied Forces were dying
7.  Not to mention our tobacco industry, oil industry and United Fruit --- using their private armies, attorneys and cronies to fuck things up
8.  Killing Black Activists like it was a game show, Huge Prison Populations, Spying upon populations and creating Oligopolies

Yep, if the US were a FIFA player --- our cuntery score would be 95 plus.

Not sure if this was discussed when the white knight of FSG were "saving" the club....  However, administration or the threat of it, changes one's perspective a tad.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #65 on: March 5, 2017, 07:06:36 pm »
Love how people are saying how bad Saudi Arabia etc are. Like the Americans or the UK for that matter are much better.

Give me a shout when the UK start executing or lashing people for being gay, cutting hands off for theft and flogging people for being overly drunk or having sexual fetishes. Or how about when the UK starts sentencing women to lashes when they get raped, or when the UK sentences people to 1000 lashes and 5 years in prison for bragging about shagging women on TV. Or even flogging a 74 year old man 350 times because he brewed some alcohol in his home. Or 2000 lashes and 10 years in prison for saying God doesn't exist.

And that's before getting into the rest of the human rights atrocities. But sure, the UK is nearly as bad right.

The way people attempt to justify or deflect away from the atrocities committed under the name of Islam and Sharia law in the middle east is frankly disgusting. Saudi Arabia is a disgusting country where the people living have very little human rights and freedom. The UK and US have done bad things, but putting them in the same bracket in 2017 as the likes of Saudi Arabia is just the height of middle class self hating liberalism.

LFC should have nothing to do with these scumbags
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #66 on: March 5, 2017, 07:14:18 pm »
Did anything even get announced?

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #67 on: March 5, 2017, 07:28:26 pm »
And yet hypothetically if this was a takeover, very few would be up in arms about it if it enabled us to compete with the big boys again.  Not compete but beat them and add a few more League and European Cups.

Everyone is dodgy in this kind of work You don't become billionaires by not doing a few dodgy things.
I'd be against it, completely against it. It's blood money.

FSG are capitalistists, but it's a world of difference compared with SA.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #68 on: March 5, 2017, 07:36:22 pm »
The new balance deal increasingly looks like a PR disaster. People are burning NB shoes now, since they have been declared the official neo nazi shoes.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of LFC
« Reply #69 on: March 6, 2017, 01:40:53 pm »
I just realise it's potentially sensitive news and I'm eager not to offend or be an idiot about it.  :)
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« Reply #70 on: March 6, 2017, 01:42:32 pm »
The new balance deal increasingly looks like a PR disaster. People are burning NB shoes now, since they have been declared the official neo nazi shoes.

 Burning them is probably for the best

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #71 on: March 6, 2017, 02:43:47 pm »
The bosses of New Balance are matey with FSG hence why it's being held at Anfield. Don't understand what the club is getting out of it like.

Possibly part of the deal for New Balance being our kit providers?  An opportunity for New Balance to show potential investors that they are a world wide company.  Not sure but could explain why it's being held at Anfield.   

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #72 on: March 6, 2017, 02:48:05 pm »
Nice timing with Trump's new Muslim ban, with SA and NB on opposite sides of the conflict.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #73 on: March 6, 2017, 04:01:41 pm »
Will it help Klopp?

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« Reply #74 on: March 6, 2017, 06:38:20 pm »
I think it's a good move. Getting ourselves acquainted with Saudi money is not a bad idea at all. There's skeletons in everybody's closet and it's irrelevant. Saudi is much more progressive than it used to be anyway, and Islam is just misrepresented by the same media that most of the near-xenophobics in this thread claim to hate.

The overreaction here has been ridiculous.

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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #75 on: March 6, 2017, 06:45:06 pm »
Is there really a debate to had here? Investing in the firm who make our kit isn't really that big a thing is it? They came to Anfield and watched a game as well. Next we'll be vetting our season ticket holders and match day visitors for past criminal records.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #76 on: March 6, 2017, 09:22:52 pm »
Give me a shout when the UK start executing or lashing people for being gay, cutting hands off for theft and flogging people for being overly drunk or having sexual fetishes. Or how about when the UK starts sentencing women to lashes when they get raped, or when the UK sentences people to 1000 lashes and 5 years in prison for bragging about shagging women on TV. Or even flogging a 74 year old man 350 times because he brewed some alcohol in his home. Or 2000 lashes and 10 years in prison for saying God doesn't exist.

And that's before getting into the rest of the human rights atrocities. But sure, the UK is nearly as bad right.

The way people attempt to justify or deflect away from the atrocities committed under the name of Islam and Sharia law in the middle east is frankly disgusting. Saudi Arabia is a disgusting country where the people living have very little human rights and freedom. The UK and US have done bad things, but putting them in the same bracket in 2017 as the likes of Saudi Arabia is just the height of middle class self hating liberalism.

LFC should have nothing to do with these scumbags

Okay and you give me a shout when they get the drones out and bomb the shit out of Boston. Killing thousands of innocent people.

I'm.not defending the disgusting things they do. But to think we are much better is wrong. We just do it in different ways
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #77 on: March 6, 2017, 09:23:07 pm »
I think it's a good move. Getting ourselves acquainted with Saudi money is not a bad idea at all. There's skeletons in everybody's closet and it's irrelevant. Saudi is much more progressive than it used to be anyway, and Islam is just misrepresented by the same media that most of the near-xenophobics in this thread claim to hate.

The overreaction here has been ridiculous.
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Saudi Arabia 2016/2017

The authorities severely curtailed the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly, detaining and imprisoning critics, human rights defenders and minority rights activists on vaguely worded charges. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common, particularly during interrogation, and courts continued to accept torture-tainted “confessions” to convict defendants in unfair trials. Women faced discrimination in both law and practice and were inadequately protected against sexual and other violence. The authorities continued to arrest, detain and deport irregular migrants. Courts imposed many death sentences, including for non-violent crimes and against juvenile offenders; scores of executions were carried out. Coalition forces led by Saudi Arabia committed serious violations of international law, including war crimes, in Yemen.


The authorities maintained tight restrictions on freedom of expression and repressed dissent. They harassed, arrested and prosecuted critics, including writers and online commentators, political and women’s rights activists, members of the Shi’a minority, and human rights defenders, imprisoning some after courts sentenced them to prison terms on vague charges.

In March, the Specialized Criminal Court (SCC) in the capital, Riyadh, sentenced journalist Alaa Brinji to five years in prison and a fine, followed by an eight-year travel ban, for comments he posted on Twitter.

Also in March, the SCC sentenced writer and Islamic scholar Mohanna Abdulaziz al-Hubail to six years’ imprisonment followed by a six-year travel ban after convicting him in his absence on charges that included “insulting the state and its rulers”, inciting and participating in demonstrations, and “being in solidarity with the detained members” of the Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association (ACPRA) held as prisoners of conscience. The SCC also ordered the closure of his Twitter account.

The authorities did not permit the existence of political parties, trade unions or independent human rights groups, and continued to arrest, prosecute and imprison those who set up or participated in unlicensed organizations.

All public gatherings, including peaceful demonstrations, remained prohibited under an order issued by the Ministry of the Interior in 2011. Some who previously defied the ban were arrested and imprisoned. Strikes remained extremely rare but in September foreign and Saudi Arabian nationals employed at a private hospital in Khobar took strike action to protest against months of unpaid wages.


The authorities continued to arrest, detain and prosecute human rights defenders on vague and overly broad charges using anti-terrorism legislation and laws designed to stifle peaceful criticism. Those detained, on trial or serving prison sentences included several members of ACPRA, an independent human rights organization formed in 2009, which the authorities closed down in 2013.

In May the SCC sentenced Abdulaziz al-Shubaily, one of ACPRA’s founders, to eight years in prison followed by an eight-year travel ban and a ban on communicating through social media. He was convicted of defaming and insulting senior judges under the anti-cybercrime law. Other charges against him included “communicating with foreign organizations” and providing information on human rights violations to Amnesty International.

In October, Mohammad al-Otaibi and Adbullah al-Attawi, both co-founders of the Union for Human Rights, were brought to trial before the SCC. Both men were presented with a list of charges related to their human rights work including, among other things, “participating in setting up an organization and announcing it before getting an authorization” and “dividing national unity, spreading chaos and inciting public opinion”.

Scores of other activists and human rights defenders continued to serve lengthy prison sentences on similar charges based on their peaceful exercise of their human rights.

In January, security officials briefly detained human rights defender Samar Badawi in connection with her activities in campaigning for the release of her former husband, the imprisoned human rights lawyer Waleed Abu al-Khair.


Human rights defenders and those who expressed political dissent continued to be equated to “terrorists”. After being released from al-Ha’ir prison in Riyadh where he served a four-year term, Mohammed al-Bajadi, a human rights defender and ACPRA founder was held for a further four months in the Mohammed bin Naif Counselling and Care Centre where he received weekly religious and psychological “counselling sessions”.

In February the SCC began trying 32 defendants, including 30 members of the Shi’a minority, on charges of spying for, and passing military intelligence to Iran and supporting protests in Qatif in the Eastern Province, where Shi’a form a majority of the population. The prosecution sought the death penalty against 25 of the defendants. In December, the SCC sentenced 15 of the defendants to death following an unfair trial. Another 15 received prison terms ranging from six months to 25 years, and two were acquitted.

In November, 13 women were put on trial at the SCC on charges relating to their participation in protests in the city of Buraydah.

In April, the Council of Ministers issued new regulations reducing the powers of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, Saudi Arabia’s religious police. In particular, the regulations barred the religious police from making arrests and from following suspects and requiring the suspects to produce identification.

The authorities continued to carry out numerous arbitrary arrests and held detainees for prolonged periods without referring them to a competent court, although the Law of Criminal Procedures requires that all detainees be referred to a court within six months. Detainees were frequently held incommunicado during interrogation and denied access to lawyers, undermining their right to fair trial and putting them at increased risk of torture and other ill-treatment.

In September, security authorities arbitrarily arrested human rights activist Salim al-Maliki after he published video footage on Twitter of border guards evicting tribal residents of the Jazan region, close to Saudi Arabia’s border with Yemen. He was held incommunicado for the first six weeks and remained in detention at the end of the year.

Security officials continued to torture and otherwise ill-treat detainees with impunity, particularly to extract “confessions” for use as evidence against them at trial. Courts frequently convicted defendants on the basis of contested pre-trial “confessions”.

The lawyer representing most of the 32 defendants accused of spying for Iran said that they were forced to “confess”. After arrest, they were detained incommunicado and denied access to their families and lawyers for three months; some were subjected to prolonged solitary confinement.


The authorities continued to impose and administer corporal punishments that violate the prohibition of torture and other ill-treatment, particularly floggings. In February, the General Court in Abha sentenced Palestinian poet and artist Ashraf Fayadh to 800 lashes and eight years’ imprisonment when commuting his death sentence for apostasy on account of his writing in 2015.


Saudi Arabia’s Shi’a Muslim minority continued to face entrenched discrimination that severely limited their access to government services and state employment and their freedom of religious expression. The authorities continued to arrest, detain and sentence Shi’a activists to prison terms or death after unfair trials before the SCC.

In June, the SCC sentenced 14 members of the Shi’a minority to death after convicting them on charges that included shooting at security officials, inciting chaos and participating in demonstrations and riots. Nine others received prison terms and one was found not guilty.


Women and girls continued to face discrimination in law and in practice, and were inadequately protected against sexual and other forms of violence. Women remained legally subordinate and inferior in status to men in relation to marriage, divorce, child custody and inheritance, and could not access higher education, take paid employment or travel abroad without the approval of their male guardian. Women also remained banned from driving.

The government’s “Vision 2030” economic reform plan included goals to increase the participation of women in Saudi Arabia’s workforce from 22% to 30% and “invest” in their productive capabilities so as “to strengthen their future and contribute to the development of our society and economy”. No legal reforms or other measures needed to achieve these aims appeared to have been initiated by the end of the year, although the Minister of Justice ruled in May that women must be given a copy of their marriage certificate, which is required in case of legal disputes between spouses. The Shura Council debated a proposed law that, if enacted, would allow women to obtain a passport without the approval of a male guardian.

In August, an online Twitter campaign entitled “Saudi women demand the end of guardianship” prompted tens of thousands of women to express opposition to the system of male guardianship. Activists reported that by September an estimated 14,000 Saudi Arabian women had signed an online petition calling on King Salman to abolish the system.

On 11 December, Malak al-Shehri was detained and interrogated after she posted a picture of herself on social media without an abaya (full-length garment). She was released on 16 December, but her legal status remained unclear.


The authorities maintained their crackdown on irregular migrants, arresting, detaining and deporting hundreds of thousands of migrant workers.

Tens of thousands of migrant workers were laid off without having been paid for months, after the government cut spending on contracts with construction and other companies. Indian, Pakistani, Filipino and other foreign nationals were left stranded without food, water or exit visas; some took to the streets to block roads in protest.
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Courts continued to impose death sentences for a range of crimes, including non-violent drugs offences which, under international law, should not incur the death penalty. Many defendants were sentenced to death after unfair trials by courts that convicted them without adequately investigating their allegations that their “confessions” were coerced, including with torture.

On 2 January the authorities carried out 47 executions, reportedly 43 by beheading and four by shooting, in 12 locations around the country.

Those facing execution included juvenile offenders, including four Shi’a men sentenced to death for participating in protests in 2012 when they were under 18.
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #78 on: March 6, 2017, 10:01:47 pm »
Okay and you give me a shout when they get the drones out and bomb the shit out of Boston. Killing thousands of innocent people.

I'm.not defending the disgusting things they do. But to think we are much better is wrong. We just do it in different ways
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Re: Saudi Arabia - Friends Of New Balance
« Reply #79 on: March 6, 2017, 10:38:45 pm »
I think it's a good move. Getting ourselves acquainted with Saudi money is not a bad idea at all. There's skeletons in everybody's closet and it's irrelevant. Saudi is much more progressive than it used to be anyway, and Islam is just misrepresented by the same media that most of the near-xenophobics in this thread claim to hate.

The overreaction here has been ridiculous.
What are you smoking?