Topic: The iPhone

[¡Basta Ya!]

it just doesnt work

Course it does. Stop being smiffish.

[iSmiff]

if they opened the iphone up to be developed for by anyone it would blitz everything going

[¡Basta Ya!]

So it doesn't have anything over a smart phone?

If you say so.

[¡Basta Ya!]

if they opened the iphone up to be developed for by anyone it would blitz everything going

Yep. When it was announced everyone was loving the idea of that, it would have been great - twats for not doing it.

[iSmiff]

Course it does. Stop being smiffish.

no it doesnt, otherwise i would simply select get mail, enter my username and password, select the email server and thats all i would ever need to do

at present i cannot do this with my exchange server in work

[nidgemo]

Sorry nidge, that was actually a serious question, read the apple support forums if you don't believe me.

Oh, I'd believe it OK.

Apple software DOES seem to clash with windows terribly for some (no for all, though - more will say it works fine)

No idea why it is, though the devil in me suspects / hopes they're doing it on purpose...

[filopastry]

if they opened the iphone up to be developed for by anyone it would blitz everything going

Definitely, and thats even with the price

[iSmiff]

its simple , shite programmers exposed when coding for a real OS

[¡Basta Ya!]

Definitely, and thats even with the price

The n95 is more expensive than the iphone btw, also it's not G3....

[filopastry]

The only way you can get an iphone i believe is with a 2 year AT&T contract and its still expensive, a Nokia N95 is free on a hell of a lot of contracts

[iSmiff]

Definitely, and thats even with the price

a nice fully working version of Outlook on the iphone would be lovely with full integration

[¡Basta Ya!]

The only way you can get an iphone i believe is with a 2 year AT&T contract and its still expensive, a Nokia N95 is free on a hell of a lot of contracts

in the states? or here?

[filopastry]

An N95 is free here on most 18 month contracts and a fair few 12 month ones from what I've seen, obviously the iPhone ain't out yet but its expensive enough in the US even with a contract subsidy

[¡Basta Ya!]

An N95 is free here on most 18 month contracts and a fair few 12 month ones from what I've seen, obviously the iPhone ain't out yet but its expensive enough in the US even with a contract subsidy

Yeah, the US is completely different to the UK in respects to phones apparently. I would wait for the UK deals - bet it's nowhere even close to what the states are costing. I think the specs and the cost will be completely different for this market - a different business model all together.

[Mudface_]

O2 have apparently won the contract for the UK, so that's them boycotted.

[¡Basta Ya!]

O2 have apparently won the contract for the UK, so that's them boycotted.

They also don't do EDGE. So it's a choice between gprs and g3.

If they choose to not go with g3 - there just isn't any point in the features of the phone.

[nidgemo]

O2 have apparently won the contract for the UK, so that's them boycotted.

Excellent.

I'm on O2.

That's my upgrade next year sorted.

I do love my Sony Ericsson, but it'll be traded in for a much improved UK spec iPhone when the time comes.

[iSmiff]

i cancelled my O2 contract yesterday

i am not joking

it was unrelated to this but i shall claim it was entirely because of this

[bryanod]

O2 have apparently won the contract for the UK, so that's them boycotted.

O2 'to get iPhone contract in UK' 
 
Half a million phones were sold on the first weekend in the US


iPhone in action 
Mobile phone operator O2 is reported to have won the sought-after deal to sell Apple's iPhone in the UK.
Press reports said that O2 is set to sign an exclusive contract shortly and should have the new phones on sale in time for Christmas.

A spokesman for O2, which is owned by Spain's Telefonica, declined to comment on the reports.

More than 500,000 iPhones were sold in the first weekend in the US by AT&T, which has exclusive rights there.

Vodafone had previously been tipped as the likely winner of the contract.

The agreement with O2 is reported to include Apple receiving a continuing share of the revenue generated for the network operator.

The handsets are expected to be sold for about £300 and O2 will be hoping that the lure of the fashionable phone is enough to win customers from rival networks.
 

[iSmiff]

£300 for a phone

i've never paid for a phone and never will

[nidgemo]

i cancelled my O2 contract yesterday

i am not joking

it was unrelated to this but i shall claim it was entirely because of this

I cancelled Vodafone two days after they sponsored Man U.

It was actually because reception had gone to fuck in my area (a transmitter had blown down and just been removed rather than replaced) but I did enjoy ringing them up and saying

"hello, I'd like to cancel my contract"
"can I ask why"
"yes. because of your companies sponsorship of Man United"

the best of it is, her response was

"OK, fair enough,  we've actually had a lot of cancellations because of that in the last two days"

[nidgemo]

£300 for a phone

i've never paid for a phone and never will

Nor will you have to.

For example, with O2, a W880i costs £230.

https://shop.o2.co.uk/phones

Free on all tarrifs, though...

The iPhone will be the same - it'll have a quoted price, be about £30 to buy on tarrifs below £20pm, and free on anything over it.

[wacko]

wacko, no doubt they had to do a lot of the OS from scratch but think of it like  this, its an OEM OS, an OEM version of Windows Vista can be had legit for £60

no way is this as complicated as Vista, i would say its probably 1/10th of the coding thats in vista at best, therefore the OS should cost us £6 at most



also consider the relative cheapness of windows mobile 6 phones, its a new OS

Of course it's not as complicated as Vista, but I don't really see your point. The OS is basically included for free in any cost estimates you see for the iPhone because you can't put a price on software a company doesn't sell. Apple has always been a hardware company and Microsoft a software company, so it's pointless to compare their products directly in price terms except the Zune and iPod.

I dare say the Win Mobile 6 phones are a good deal cheaper in terms of retail price, but if you look at what's happened during the US launch, you'll see that the iPhone has come with significantly cheaper data plans than otherwise or previously available and they work out far cheaper over the course of a contract than other phone packages.

Of course, it remains to be seen what they'll do over here in Europe, but they're certainly priced competitively as a package in the US.

[iSmiff]

I cancelled Vodafone two days after they sponsored Man U.

It was actually because reception had gone to fuck in my area (a transmitter had blown down and just been removed rather than replaced) but I did enjoy ringing them up and saying

"hello, I'd like to cancel my contract"
"can I ask why"
"yes. because of your companies sponsorship of Man United"

the best of it is, her response was

"OK, fair enough,  we've actually had a lot of cancellations because of that in the last two days"

i've went back to vodafone due to their vodafone passport, 75p tops for any call i make or take when abroad

beats 40-60p a min with o2 even with their roaming thingie

[Mudface_]

Nor will you have to.

For example, with O2, a W880i costs £230.

https://shop.o2.co.uk/phones

Free on all tarrifs, though...

The iPhone will be the same - it'll have a quoted price, be about £30 to buy on tarrifs below £20pm, and free on anything over it.

Why do you assume that? It's the same price in the US regardless of which tarriff you buy, isn't it?

[filopastry]

i've went back to vodafone due to their vodafone passport, 75p tops for any call i make or take when abroad

beats 40-60p a min with o2 even with their roaming thingie

Thats pretty much why I'll stay with them as well in spite of threatening to leave every year when I'm upgrading

Why do you assume that? It's the same price in the US regardless of which tarriff you buy, isn't it?

In the US I believe its only available on a long term deal so I suspect its a hefty operator subsidy applied, the downside is that the battery isn't user replaceable and at the end of that long term deal performance mightn't be too impressive

[Mudface_]

I'm not sure what you mean, Phil.

In the US it's $499 for the 4GB model, plus a minimum of $60 a month on a two year plan. Unless the US phone market's an utter bastard, I can't see them giving you an iPhone for free for taking out a £30 a month plan here.

[iSmiff]

is the US market as saturated as ours though, is it as competitive?

[Mudface_]

No idea. Be nice to get something cheaper than them for a change, most things are usually on a dollar: pound basis.

[nidgemo]

Why do you assume that? It's the same price in the US regardless of which tarriff you buy, isn't it?

I think so, but that's generally the case, and in the US, phones are always very expensive, even when bought with a long term contract.

For example, with AT&T, the SE 300i, with a frankly laughable 20mb memory, VGA camera with 4x digital zoom etc, costs $179.99 with a 2 year contract, no matter what contract.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=Sony+Ericsson+W300i&q_sku=sku70016

a Motorola KRZR is $199.99...

All of these are low end free phones over here.

The UK price will clearly be considerably less than the US one.

With AT&T a blackberry pearl is $249.99 even with a high business tarriff. In the UK, they're widely available free on a £27pm tarriff (with 150 min anytime)

With AT&T a blackberry 8800 is $349.99 even with a high business tarriff. In the UK, they're widely available free on a £35pm tarriff (with 450 min anytime)

[nidgemo]

Unless the US phone market's an utter bastard, I can't see them giving you an iPhone for free for taking out a £30 a month plan here.

See above

[Mudface_]

Haha, dumb fucking Yanks. It'll slash Apple's margins here to the wire though, I should imagine.

[nidgemo]

Haha, dumb fucking Yanks. It'll slash Apple's margins here to the wire though, I should imagine.

Quite.

And even if the iPhone ends up with the higher end stuff currently available, it's got to be worth £29.99 of anyones money as an upgrade / new contract, hasn't it?

Fucking cheap ipod, if nothing else.

[Mudface_]

If they sell a Pay as You Go one for £20, I might be interested.

[nidgemo]

If they sell a Pay as You Go one for £20, I might be interested.

The way the phone markets going, give it 3 years...

[Mudface_]

The only stumbling block then would be how to activate it without re-infecting my PC with iTunes.

[iSmiff]

will apple charge us money for software upgrades like they do with OSX

[iSmiff]

The only stumbling block then would be how to activate it without re-infecting my PC with iTunes.

the activation has been hacked already by dvd jon i think, or he's done something with the activation

[filopastry]

The only stumbling block then would be how to activate it without re-infecting my PC with iTunes.

Worse still its iTunes 7.3, which has a nice habit of deleting your music library on some people's computers when you "upgrade"

[Mudface_]

He hacked it, but you can't then use it as a phone.