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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #280 on: January 4, 2010, 11:25:23 am »
Took the office there for Christmas Dinner the year before last. Really enjoyed it.

sorry alan was that barrafina or yauatcha you took the office too?  i have yet to make my first barrafina run of the year but there is a small window of opportunity today.... fingers crossed ;D

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #281 on: January 4, 2010, 11:33:28 am »
Stopped at the Three Horseshoes in Bennett End after the Reading game.  The chef/owner has previously worked at the Connaught and La Gavroche and has taken that training and transferred it to a simplified menu at more pub like prices.  You're not going to get anything new that will blow your mind but you do get classics that are impeccably cooked.

I had pan fried foie gras, on brioche with rhubarb and red wine reduction to start, the Mrs had seared scallops, black pudding and celeriac cream.  Then we both went for turbot with crushed potato and shallot sauce which was gorgeous. 

Damn fine breakfast too.

i find its the classics that get me going most these days.  after a few years of seriously bad attempts at fusion cuisine - one disastrous starter of goats cheese literally slathered in sesame oil pretty much put and end to a lot of that nonsense for me - i think its a relief that so many exciting restaurants these days are either getting back to basics or more sympathetically reinventing national cuisines. 

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #282 on: January 12, 2010, 06:33:03 pm »
i was chatting to stephen harris today - chef at the sportsman if you've been following the thread at all - and he tells me the best restaurant ('by far') that he's eaten in this year was in denmark.  its got three michelin stars but is trying to take a different path to other luxury restaurants to more honestly reflect its location and to apply the high level precision of top level cooking to things that are sometimes presumed too every day for high end eating.  in short that means using things like beers and flavoured vinegars rather than wines to make the sauces but stephen was talking about how they are making one off super extracts of natural flavours like a pine to mix with meat and then some sort of dairy protein - cheese, cream - to make unique combinations that are balanced in the mouth.

here's a link to the website but if there are any danish gastronauts checking in i'd love to hear what they think of it too even if only via word of mouth:

http://www.noma.dk/

stephen is off on tour of high end german restaurants in february so i will report back on his findings.  strange for me to think of 'proper' food in germany.  i read a jonathan meades review of a german restaurant in london years ago - he slaughtered it - and he made the very fair point that german food is made to go with beer, not wine so its all smoked, salted or pickled.  contrarily those are now things that are making cooking from the frozen north so interesting.


EDIT:  this is from the web site in terms of their philosophy:

What you will find here at noma is not centered so much on olive oil, foie gras, sun-dried tomatoes and Mediterranean black olives. We’ve been busy traveling around in the Nordic regions and we have been finding a number of simply phenomenal ingredients that we have flown into town for our use: Horse mussels, deep-sea crabs and langoustines from the Faeroe Islands, which are living right up until the moment they are served to our visitors. Halibut, wild salmon, cod and seaweed and curds from Iceland. Lamb, musk ox, berries and the purest drinking water from Greenland. In much the same fashion, we are constantly scanning for new sources of inspiration in Denmark, especially, as well as the other Nordic regions, for purposes of securing reliable sources of top-quality raw produce. This pertains both to very costly ingredients and also to ingredients of a more everyday character that we feel have come to be overlooked in the formulation of a salient Nordic approach to cooking: cereals, hulled grains and legumes, which you will come to experience here in the context of surprising preparations.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #283 on: January 13, 2010, 11:21:36 am »
Sorry - should have posted this a while back but just never got round to it. Hix was wonderful - the food, wine, decor all made for a great night out. And was actually surprisingly decent value (as long as you don't go nuts with the wine that is).

First things first, anyone who goes and is not a veggie - please try the pork scratchings and apple sauce you get as a pre-starter!!!! It makes quite a difference when they're not out of a packet. I would have been quite happy sitting there munching on those all night (I'm sure my boss would have been too)

Started off with the rabbit on toast - bursting with flavour and the toast complemented it perfectly. Very simple stuff but cooked to perfection. Probably wasn't quite as good as my colleague's starter. He had the devilled lambs kidneys on boxty bread. Never heard of boxty bread before but it was a kind of potato cake and it was absolutely beautiful. 

For my main course I ahd a roast gurnard withsurf clams. I remember a girl from my office having gurnard at Scotts a few years ago and it was the best thing on the menu there so I thought I'd give it a try here and I wasn't disappointed. The clams were thick and juicy and the fish was tender and moist with a cracking flavour to boot. The sauce was rather filling though so I could have done with a bit less of that. Had some creamed spinach to go with it as well as these deep fried potato discs as an alternative to chips. Word of warning - if you are going as a party of four then please only order one portion. They are huge and I found eating more than one a huge challenge. We ordered two portions which meant that there were about 20 discs between four so most of them were still there at the end.

As I was so full I had to skip dessert but I had a couple of glasses of a frankly stunning port - Tonel I think it was called.

Overall the total bill came to a tad under £300 for four people including service charge which I thought was pretty good for food of this standard. I will certainly be going back and I've recently got the Mark Hix cookbook, just to find out how to make boxty bread.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #284 on: January 13, 2010, 11:47:52 am »
If that's including wine and good port, that seems very reasonable Penfold. It's my mum's 70th in a few months, and apart from the mandatory surprise party which is being organised by fellow family members, I thought it'd be nice to take her to Hix's. After the reviews on here, and a couple of personal recommendations, I think I'll book it.

Go for it - it's a brilliant place to go. Yes, the bill did include the wine and port (as well as dessert wines and some G & T's).
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #285 on: January 13, 2010, 03:37:39 pm »
Sorry - should have posted this a while back but just never got round to it. Hix was wonderful - the food, wine, decor all made for a great night out. And was actually surprisingly decent value (as long as you don't go nuts with the wine that is).

First things first, anyone who goes and is not a veggie - please try the pork scratchings and apple sauce you get as a pre-starter!!!! It makes quite a difference when they're not out of a packet. I would have been quite happy sitting there munching on those all night (I'm sure my boss would have been too)

Started off with the rabbit on toast - bursting with flavour and the toast complemented it perfectly. Very simple stuff but cooked to perfection. Probably wasn't quite as good as my colleague's starter. He had the devilled lambs kidneys on boxty bread. Never heard of boxty bread before but it was a kind of potato cake and it was absolutely beautiful. 

For my main course I ahd a roast gurnard withsurf clams. I remember a girl from my office having gurnard at Scotts a few years ago and it was the best thing on the menu there so I thought I'd give it a try here and I wasn't disappointed. The clams were thick and juicy and the fish was tender and moist with a cracking flavour to boot. The sauce was rather filling though so I could have done with a bit less of that. Had some creamed spinach to go with it as well as these deep fried potato discs as an alternative to chips. Word of warning - if you are going as a party of four then please only order one portion. They are huge and I found eating more than one a huge challenge. We ordered two portions which meant that there were about 20 discs between four so most of them were still there at the end.

As I was so full I had to skip dessert but I had a couple of glasses of a frankly stunning port - Tonel I think it was called.

Overall the total bill came to a tad under £300 for four people including service charge which I thought was pretty good for food of this standard. I will certainly be going back and I've recently got the Mark Hix cookbook, just to find out how to make boxty bread.


i still haven't made it down there big man.  still this review will help me get my finger out and i will definitely be after the lambs kidneys on boxy bread :)

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #286 on: January 22, 2010, 12:13:07 pm »
Hass/Penfold,

Should be going Hix (O&C) in Feb.

Anything in particular you recommend?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #287 on: January 22, 2010, 01:09:38 pm »
We're going to Seville for Easter.  Thinking about booking Abantal.  Anyone been?

Anyone got any other recommendations in Seville, Cordoba or Granada?
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #288 on: January 22, 2010, 01:23:38 pm »
Aqua Kyoto is very nice.  Anyone from here been there?

http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/102286/Aqua_Kyoto

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #289 on: January 22, 2010, 06:43:54 pm »
On a fine dining note, we went to Paul Rankin's in Belfast last week, and am going to Wedgwood's in Edinburgh tonight - which I am looking forward to enormously. We were tempted by Tom Kitchin's for the surprise taster menu, but I'm more in a 'fill me up and make me happy mood'.

I shall report back - I've heard very good things thus far.

i haven't eaten his food for a very long time.  he had a place called roscoffs where he got his first michelin star and it was definitely the best meal i've had in the emerald isle.  sorry mum ;D.

what did you eat and what type of food is he doing now?  he shut roscoffs and did a sort of fusion place for a while then he re-opened as roscoffs again but i'd lost touch by then.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #290 on: January 22, 2010, 06:46:55 pm »
We're going to Seville for Easter.  Thinking about booking Abantal.  Anyone been?

Anyone got any other recommendations in Seville, Cordoba or Granada?

haven't been big man but looking forward to your match report when you get back.  my parents live in the south of spain but there's a lot of very expensive restaurants there that don't really offer that much compared to london in my experience.  i tend to stick to tapas or local bodegas.  there's a place called alfredo's in san pedro that serves milk fed lamb chops served by the half kilo; very fresh seafood simply done; amazing steaks served with olive oil infused with a whole head of garlic and of course amazing chips to go with it all.  i absolutely love it.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #291 on: January 22, 2010, 06:52:46 pm »
Aqua Kyoto is very nice.  Anyone from here been there?

http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/102286/Aqua_Kyoto

i haven't been but it looks and sounds amazing.  the lobster with ponzu sauce reminded me of a meal i had over the holidays at royal china.  our flights got cancelled so we got the river taxi across the thames and had some lobster stir fried with ginger and spring onion.  very simple but absolutely superb it managed to calm down a highly agitated hassinator and made the very best of a saturday that hadn't started very well at all.  they have a few outposts in london and are high end old school in their general style.  i've also been to the one on queensway on the borders of notting hill that's a 1970's opium fantasy of a venue.  all black lacquered walls inlaid with scenes from ye olde china and loads of mirrors in a big room that really buzzes at lunchtime when they're doing the dim sum.  its at night though that it really kicks off and i can highly recommend both the peking duck and their excellent lychee martinis:

http://www.royalchinagroup.co.uk/RC/RCMenuRS.html

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #292 on: January 22, 2010, 07:26:52 pm »
Hass, I can't reply properly as I shelled half a bottle of Barolo over my laptop the other night, and for want of a better phrase 'blew it up'.

Shame on you. Criminal waste of a good Barolo that.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #293 on: January 22, 2010, 07:27:12 pm »
We're going to Seville for Easter.  Thinking about booking Abantal.  Anyone been?

Anyone got any other recommendations in Seville, Cordoba or Granada?

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My wife & I did the same tour a couple of years ago, great holiday.  We didn't eat anywhere special though.

We really enjoyed all three cities, but especially Seville.  We had a very nice 2 bedroom place, 2 minutes from the Cathedral, not especially cheap.  If you're interested, I'll dig out the info on it and pm you it.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #294 on: January 23, 2010, 09:20:08 am »
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My wife & I did the same tour a couple of years ago, great holiday.  We didn't eat anywhere special though.

We really enjoyed all three cities, but especially Seville.  We had a very nice 2 bedroom place, 2 minutes from the Cathedral, not especially cheap.  If you're interested, I'll dig out the info on it and pm you it.

Cheers JP.   Thanks very much for the offer but the accommodation is already booked, thought I'd better get my skates on as it is Semana Santa in Seville when we are there.  Treating ourselves to some time in the Paradore in the Alhambra when we're in Granada which I am looking forward to.

Hass. I think we will give Abantal a try (and report back) but you are right for the rest of the time it will be back street tapas and bodegas.  I was rather hoping to tempt The Claw into the discussion to share his Spanish knowledge with a haughty "You don't want to go there, there is this little place around the corner where you can eat a whole pig (in all it's delicious Spanish incarnations) in one sitting".
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #295 on: January 25, 2010, 03:52:09 pm »
Hass/Penfold,

Should be going Hix (O&C) in Feb.

Anything in particular you recommend?

Hank, if you like pork crackling then please go for the warm pork scratchings and apple sauce which comes as a pre-starter - they are absolutely fantastic. I can also recommend the lambs kidneys on boxty bread (which isn't really bread). Thing is, he regularly changes the menus so I'm not sure they will still be on there. I would check on the website first.

It's my birthday today so tomorrow I will be going to Barrafina with my family so I can overload on the best tapas - thanks for the tip Hass!!!! After that it's a few cocktails at Milk & Honey.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #296 on: January 25, 2010, 05:46:05 pm »

It's my birthday today so tomorrow I will be going to Barrafina with my family so I can overload on the best tapas - thanks for the tip Hass!!!! After that it's a few cocktails at Milk & Honey.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #297 on: January 25, 2010, 05:51:10 pm »
Cheers JP.   Thanks very much for the offer but the accommodation is already booked, thought I'd better get my skates on as it is Semana Santa in Seville when we are there.  Treating ourselves to some time in the Paradore in the Alhambra when we're in Granada which I am looking forward to.

Hass. I think we will give Abantal a try (and report back) but you are right for the rest of the time it will be back street tapas and bodegas.  I was rather hoping to tempt The Claw into the discussion to share his Spanish knowledge with a haughty "You don't want to go there, there is this little place around the corner where you can eat a whole pig (in all it's delicious Spanish incarnations) in one sitting".
If you wanted to get all medieval on a pig's ass- literally- you'd be Segovia-bound. Not been to Seville, and it's rather far south for cochinillo country, but that Abantal does look tempting...

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #298 on: January 28, 2010, 01:50:00 pm »
Seville - brilliant city. Made for walking around. Some of the best tapas bars are on the unfashionable western side of the river, especially when the sun's out (which it will be).
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #299 on: January 28, 2010, 02:57:24 pm »
Well Abantal is booked for one night, the rest of the hol will be browsing for back street tapas.  Thanks for all the advice folks.  Much appreciated.  I'll let you know how much weight I put on ;)
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #300 on: January 29, 2010, 12:50:19 am »
Well Abantal is booked for one night, the rest of the hol will be browsing for back street tapas.  Thanks for all the advice folks.  Much appreciated.  I'll let you know how much weight I put on ;)

yep i seem to have lost 'lean and mean' somewhere in december.  still i'm off to spain to see my dad next week and will tapas the fuck out of it and report back.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #301 on: January 29, 2010, 08:45:11 am »
yep i seem to have lost 'lean and mean' somewhere in december.  still i'm off to spain to see my dad next week and will tapas the fuck out of it and report back.

To be fair, I probably lost lean and mean around December too....  December 1997 that is  :-\
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #302 on: February 7, 2010, 12:17:55 pm »
yep i seem to have lost 'lean and mean' somewhere in december.  still i'm off to spain to see my dad next week and will tapas the fuck out of it and report back.

so i'm back from a few days in spain with el daddo and i managed to hit alfredos in san pedro for a simple spanish lunch of turbot baked in a crust of salt to keep in the moisture.  it was delicious but unremarkable compared to some of the restaurants posted here but i would still recommend a visit if anyone is in the area.

much more interesting was another lunch at up market sea-food restaurant salvador which is down on the main seaside promenade in marbella.  i first visited the area back in 1976 and its changed MASSIVELY since then.  salvador is the sort of restaurant i imagine julio igleasis popping into for a late lunch and a lovely bottle of albarino - he has a mega pad nearby - but it was fairly quiet when we got down there at 3pm.

for starters i saw something that doesn't pop up on menus very often.  percebes are a type of barnacle that grows on rocks that are constantly bombarded by waves as they feed by putting their tiny tentacles out into the froth and filtering for food.  this makes them both difficult and very dangerous to harvest.  i'd heard about them for a dj mate who'd been playing in galicia.  they don't taste like lobster - as i'd been told - rather they are a very succulent seafood/meets seaweed thing that i found interesting rather than delicious.  not sure i'd have them again but i will post a picture so you can see what all the fuss is about.  our guest had scallops served on the sell with a lobster bisque based bechamel that i will be having next time we go.

for main course we had a lobster rice broth.  i can't call it a paella as it was served as a thick soup with rice and some finely diced vegetables that gave it a silky depth. 

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #303 on: February 7, 2010, 12:27:58 pm »


for starters i saw something that doesn't pop up on menus very often.  percebes are a type of barnacle that grows on rocks that are constantly bombarded by waves as they feed by putting their tiny tentacles out into the froth and filtering for food.  this makes them both difficult and very dangerous to harvest.  i'd heard about them for a dj mate who'd been playing in galicia.  they don't taste like lobster - as i'd been told - rather they are a very succulent seafood/meets seaweed thing that i found interesting rather than delicious.  not sure i'd have them again but i will post a picture so you can see what all the fuss is about.   

I have never bothered with those. The whole look of them has always put me off; they bring to mind certain things I'll not detail for fear of the RAWK psychiatrist raising an eyebrow;  and, while I tend to love all seafood, percebes are a bridge too far for me.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #304 on: February 7, 2010, 10:56:03 pm »
@lfsea - i love cook books but have read neither of your recommends.  i'm guessing the el bulli book costs an arm and a leg if its anything like the tome released by heston blumenthal for the fat duck.  i've often mentioned the sportsman from whitstable on here and the chef stephen harris told me that its easier to get into fort knox than el bulli.  he managed by some masonic shenanigans involving the restaurant critic jay rayner who is a massive fan of his restaurant.  he said it was off the scale superb but its interesting that there are the first signs of a back lash against molecular cooking as so many of the ingredients required to make the endless froths and vapours are the sort of chemicals we'd turn our nose up at if they were used in frozen burgers you might want to feed your kids.

richard corrigan is a cook from the old school and i will defo but checking out his book but i have to say the river cafe cook book will be a life time reference for me even if some of the recipes - chocolate nemesis - just don't work ;D

i had one of my all time favourite meals there for my birthday 10 years ago.  we started with bresola on a salad of dandelion leaves garnished with shavings of white truffle which was light, tasty and did a great job of firing up my sense of anticipation about what was to come next.  my main was grey legged partridge in a chianti based sauce served with celeriac.  again lip smackingly delicious - there's nothing fussy about their food - but neither too heavy nor too much.  i finished with a simple pana cotta.  it was served with half a pomegranate scraped over the top and then a shot of grapa poured on top of that.  it couldn't have been more different to the fat duck - also top three - or aubergine when gordon ramsay was still a two star chef with a massive chip on his shoulder and a lot to prove but for the simple quality of ingredients and confidence in their unfussy presentation its something i can actually remember the taste of a decade later.

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« Reply #305 on: March 5, 2010, 02:54:10 pm »
very sad indeed lfsea.  the river cafe is one of the three best places i've ever eaten.  simple but sophisticated the absolute example of a restaurant pursuing quality of ingredients simply cooked.  from their aperitif - proseco with whatever fruit of the season is available - through to their simple deserts - my all time fave was a panacotta with a pomegranate scraped over it and then a shot of grappa - the food was simply perfect. 

also a great room to eat on with a real buzz every time i've been.  if you haven't gone before i suggest going for lunch.  they have a great set lunch deal running until the end of march - the recession has even hit the river cafe - and also you don't have to clear your table after two hours which i find a bit of a pain when you're dropping serious moolah on the food.

i like their politics in their too.  general pincoche ate there one day but had booked under a different name.  the staff only realised who he was by desert at which point they ejected the general and his party from the restaurant refusing to take any of his 'blood money' in payment. 

here's their dinner menu from mid-february pulled off their lovely web site.  the main courses are eye-watering but you can have a lovely meal sticking to the starters and then either pasta or risotto. 

MENUS
Aperitivo – Prosecco with
blood orange £8.50    
Thursday  18 February 2010  Dinner
   
Antipasti
Calamari ai ferri - chargrilled squid with fresh red chilli & rocket £14.50
Mozzarella di Bufala - with agretti, tomato, marinated olives & Pangrattato £13.50
Mazzancolle al forno - Scottish langoustines split & wood-roasted
with garlic & parsley £24
Salumi Misti - with 2 crostini of chicken livers & braised cavolo nero £14.50
Puntarelle alla Romana - thinly sliced cicoria shoots with anchovy,
red wine vinegar & dried chilli £12.50
Carne Cruda di Manzo - finely chopped raw Aberdeen Angus beef fillet with
mache salad & parmesan shavings £16
Primi
Risotto al' Amarone £16
Stuffato con Cozze - mussel & cannellini bean stew with tomato &
Pugliese bread £12.50
Linguine con Granchio - with fresh Devon crab, fennel herb, chilli & lemon £14.50
Agnoli al Cacciatore - fresh pasta parcels stuffed with rabbit & pigeon slow-cooked with sage, cinnamon
and Vin Santo with butter & parmesan £15
Tagliarini con Carciofi - fresh fine pasta with Violetta artichokes,
garlic, cream & parsley £13.50
Secondi
Sogliola al forno - whole Dover sole wood-roasted with marjoram, with wood-roasted trevise,
Florence fennel & 12 year old balsamic vinegar £32
Branzino ai ferri - char-grilled fillet of wild sea bass with salsa verde, Spinacini & artichokes 'alla Romana' £31
Capesante ai ferri - chargrilled Scottish scallops with anchovy & rosemary sauce, Scottish sea kale,
mache & Castelluccio lentils £30
Piccione al forno - whole Anjou pigeon stuffed with thyme & sage and wood-roasted in Fontodi Chianti Classico
with potatoes, pancetta & radicchio 'al forno' £30
Coscia d'Agnello - chargrilled marinated leg of lamb with salsa rossa piccante, braised cima di rape
and chickpeas £29
Stinco di Vitello con Nebbiolo - veal shin slow-cooked with lemon peel & sage in
Elio Grasso 'Gavarini' with risotto bianco & gremolata £29
I Formaggi
Robiola Rocchetta - soft, creamy cow, goat & sheep’s milk cheese, Piemonte £7
Pecorino di Fossa - matured in the ground, Umbria £8
Taleggio di Val Brembana - cow’s milk cheese with a washed rind, Lombardia £7
Alto But Vecchio - mature mountain, cow’s milk cheese, Lombardia £7
Gorgonzola Dolce - creamy, blue cow’s milk cheese from Valsassina, Lombardia £7
Selection of 3 cheeses £13
Selection of all 5 cheeses £23
Wine suggestion:
Les Cretes Fumin 2004 £8.25
Tercic Ribolla Gialla 2008 £10.50
Dolci e Gelati
Chocolate Nemesis £8
Lemon Tart £7
Almond & Prune Tart £7
Pannacotta with Grappa Nardini £8
Pressed Chocolate Cake with Vin Santo Ice Cream £7
Blood Orange Sorbet £7
Caramel Ice Cream £7
Toasted Almond Ice Cream £7

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #306 on: March 5, 2010, 02:56:42 pm »
Sad news indeed, one of my favourite places in London.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #307 on: March 5, 2010, 02:59:17 pm »
Sad news indeed, one of my favourite places in London.

ditto.  its interesting looking at that menu to see so many dishes that are now entirely ubiquitous.  i remember the first time i had the char grilled squid with chilli, lemon and rocket.  it blew my mind.  at the time 'the sugar club' was the other really exciting place to eat but its interesting how my memory of their signature dishes has faded while the super simple river cafe has endured. 

i love that they never sought to franchise the mothership and also stayed in the kitchen rather than taking it all on tv.  old school.  superb books as well.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #308 on: March 5, 2010, 03:03:36 pm »
Nice one Hass, here I am having had a shitty sarnie for lunch and facing a long afternoon and a game of 5-a-side before I get to tea and you post THAT.

Bloody starvin' now.   :no
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #309 on: March 5, 2010, 03:17:10 pm »
Nice one Hass, here I am having had a shitty sarnie for lunch and facing a long afternoon and a game of 5-a-side before I get to tea and you post THAT.

Bloody starvin' now.   :no

i'm doing chopped cucumber and tomato rolled up in pita bread with black olive paste and some fresh pesto.  have to say its hitting the spot ;)

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« Reply #310 on: March 5, 2010, 03:40:26 pm »
Bastards the pair of ye...

it is a sign of how food-addled my mind has become that I initially type "pear of ye"
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #311 on: March 5, 2010, 08:19:33 pm »
I've never actually managed to eat at The River Cafe (although I've been meaning to for years now) but I have cooked several recipes from the River Cafe Cookbook, and they were all fantastic.  I heartily recommend buying it if you're in any way serious about food.

Sad news indeed about Rose Gray, I read John Walsh's piece in yesterdays Independent about her, seemed like a top woman.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #312 on: March 5, 2010, 08:34:32 pm »
That's the one.   

Really must get myself a meal there next time I'm in London

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #313 on: March 5, 2010, 08:47:13 pm »
Nice articles from everyone, thanks.

I visit Italy every year, for a few weeks, staying at my friends villa in the countryside of Umbria, and have grown to love the simplicity of Italian food.  When we're there, we generally eat at home now, picking ingredients out of the garden, going to local shops that only sell local products, cooking on the wood fired grill (inside the kitchen, not outside!), and we have some of the most wonderful, simple meals.  There's some local restaurants, out in the country, in the middle of nowhere, where we've had some extraordinary meals.  And of course, the wine is from either the villa's production, or from local producers, and is really nice. 

We try our best to replicate this in London, where, if you look hard for it, there is a superb selection of products/produce available (but still not as good as the local stuff there).  The doyen of Italian countryside cooking, Marcella Hazan, constantly talks about using the best ingredients you can find and afford.  There's many a time where I wish I knew where places like the River Cafe and Locatelli's get their ingredients. 

Anyway, I'm a huge fan of simple Italian cooking, and of course, of the River Cafe.  Think it's time to crack open a good bottle of Prosecco in memory.....RIP Rose.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #314 on: March 5, 2010, 09:13:28 pm »
Quick question for those of you who dine in London, have any of you ever been to Ottolenghi?

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« Reply #315 on: March 5, 2010, 09:57:55 pm »
Quick question for those of you who dine in London, have any of you ever been to Ottolenghi?

Yup

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #316 on: March 5, 2010, 10:08:38 pm »
What's it like?  I only ask because I've never been, but my brother bought the Ottolenghi book, and when he was staying with me last summer he made some of the stuff from it, and it was absolutely superb.

I imagine the place itself is fantastic, just based on that, but I was interested in a first-hand account.

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« Reply #317 on: March 5, 2010, 10:53:45 pm »
What's it like?  I only ask because I've never been, but my brother bought the Ottolenghi book, and when he was staying with me last summer he made some of the stuff from it, and it was absolutely superb.

I imagine the place itself is fantastic, just based on that, but I was interested in a first-hand account.

There's 4 in London, the big restaurant is on Upper Street in Islington, it's very popular so you need to book in advance, and is way, way, way better than the book (which we have, and have given to others)

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #318 on: March 5, 2010, 11:13:57 pm »
4 of them?  Shows how much I know about London.  Cheers JP.  You're a fan then?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #319 on: March 6, 2010, 10:15:27 am »
There's 4 in London, the big restaurant is on Upper Street in Islington, it's very popular so you need to book in advance, and is way, way, way better than the book (which we have, and have given to others)

jp i've only recently heard about ottolenghi.  some friends were telling me the cookbook is amazing - what kind of food do they do and how come i've never been? ;D