Topic: FourFourTwo Magazine

[theredguy03]

Who here reads the FourFourTwo magazine? I'm a massive fan of it.

The columns from Michel Salgado, the Player etc are very interesting to read.

Only downside is that is issued monthly but I guess weekly publications mean they would run out of content.

[UntouchableLuis]

Yeah enjoy them when I get them. Quite pricey but suppose it has to be as it's monthly.

[Drinks Sangria]

I got a subscription to the mag a few years back, but am on the verge of cancelling. Unfortunately, the rise of the internet means you can get quality articles in abundance twenty-four seven, often on similar or the same subjects as FourFourTwo's. I also think that since the new editor took over, its taken a nosedive in terms of quality. Also it's obsessed with Barcelona and Real Madrid.

[Agger]

Nowhere near the levels of The Blizzard.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

It's not as good as it was 2 or 3 years ago.I tend only to buy the season preview edition in August which is still a good read.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Not sure how official any of these rankings are, but it goes like this:

1 - Pep Guardiola (Manchester City)
2 - Zinedine Zidane
3 - Diego Simeone (Atletico Madrid)
4 - Max Allegri (Juventus)
5 - Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool)
6 - Didier Deschamps (France)
7 - Mauricio Pochettino (Tottenham)
8 - Maurizio Sarri (Chelsea)
9 - Julian Nagelsmann (Hoffenheim)
10 - Ernesto Valverde (Barcelona)

11 - Tite (Brazil)
12 - Leonardo Jardim
13 - Eusebio Di Francesco (Roma)
14 - Lucien Favre (Borussia Dortmund)
15 - Marcelino (Valencia)
16 - Luis Enrique (Spain)
17 - Janne Anderson (Sweden)
18 - Antonio Conte
19 - Phillip Cocu
20 - Thomas Tuchel (PSG)

21 - Zlatko Dalic (Croatia)
22 - Paulo Fonseca (Shaktar Donetsk)
23 - Gian Piero Gasperini (Atalanta)
24 - Pablo Machin (Sevilla)
25 - Jose Mourinho (Manchester United)
26 - Domenico Tedesco (Schalke)
27 - Jose Bordalas (Getafe)
28 - Renato Gaucho (Gremio)
29 - Niko Kovac (Bayern Munich)
30 - Bruno Genesio (Lyon)

31 - Unai Emery (Arsenal)
32 - Marcelo Gallardo (River Plate)
33 - Sergio Conceição (Porto)
34 - Rafa Benitez (Newcastle)
35 - Marco Giampaolo (Sampdoria)
36 - Adi Hutter (Eintracht Frankfurt)
37 - Abdullah Avci (Istanbul)
38 - Stefano Pioli (Fiorentina)
39 - Luciano Spalletti (Internazionale)
40 - Gareth Southgate (England)

41 - Eddie Howe (Bournemouth)
42 - Quique Seiten (Real Betis)
43 - Rudi Garcia (Marseille)
44 - Abel Ferreira (Braga)
45 - Ariel Holan (Independente)
46 - Juan Carlos Osorio (Paraguay)
47 - Sean Dyche (Burnley)
48 - Ricardo Gareca (Peru)
49 - Simone Inzaghi (Lazio)
50 - Brendan Rodgers (Celtic)

Write-up about Kloppo: Forget the gurning smile and rock-star kitsch – Klopp has turned Liverpool into a force to be feared. Even Pep Guardiola, the arch footballing ideologue, changed his Manchester City team and tactics in early October to counter the Reds’ fierce front three.

Liverpool now exist in the image of their manager: a thrilling, attack-minded collection of players who believe in both entertainment and the positive influence that football can have on a city. The mess Klopp inherited is gone, replaced by a squad assembled with a plan, instead of an attempt to replace one world-class player with seven less talented ones.

Therein lies the difference between Klopp and predecessor Brendan Rodgers. Klopp has waited for the players he wanted – Virgil van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho – instead of panicking and buying whoever might be available. Just imagine the German buying Mario Balotelli. Settle down at the back.

Yes, the trophy must come, probably this year, but Liverpool haven’t started a league season with as much hope for two decades

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-50-best-football-managers-world-2018

[newterp]

Conte is too low, right?

[AndyMuller]

Pochettino 7th? No chance.

[gerrardisgod]

Sean Dyche

Fucking hell

[Wigwamdelbert]

What a crock of shit. No Silva? Easily top 20 him, no, 10, wait, he's better than Klopp, top 5.

And no Martinez? Absolute gash this list.

[newterp]

What a crock of shit. No Silva? Easily top 20 him, no, 10, wait, he's better than Klopp, top 5.

And no Martinez? Absolute gash this list.

Red Ron?

[Dim Glas]

Pochetinno too high, he shouldn't be top 10, especially when someone like Lucien Favre isn't, I know which coach I'd want on my team of the 2!

I'm no fan of tuchel the person, but as a coach, he's way to low when the likes of Pochetinno are getting into the top 10! And the likes of Cocu and Di Francesco above him too? Odd list.

But with these lists, there will always be a lot of argument!

[Chris~]

Conte is too low, right?

Yeah looking at the list hes surely top 10 over nagelsmann, pochettino, sarri,

[Not that Gareth]

This is a really bad list...Did the student intern who has never watched football write it??

[FlashGordon]

Pochetinno too high, he shouldn't be top 10, especially when someone like Lucien Favre isn't, I know which coach I'd want on my team of the 2!

I'm no fan of tuchel the person, but as a coach, he's way to low when the likes of Pochetinno are getting into the top 10! And the likes of Cocu and Di Francesco above him too? Odd list.

But with these lists, there will always be a lot of argument!

Sorry mate but none of them have done anything remotely like what Pochettino has done with Spurs. No matter how much we like to take the piss he's comfortably achieved more than Tuchel and Favre, at the moment.

[Wigwamdelbert]

Red Ron?

Nah, even the Ev do him to do one Red Ron, da do one Ron

[Dim Glas]

Sorry mate but none of them have done anything remotely like what Pochettino has done with Spurs. No matter how much we like to take the piss he's comfortably achieved more than Tuchel and Favre, at the moment.

sorry mate, but I disagree.  Favre is a far superior coach, it isn't even close. I'll give Pochettino one thing though, he manages to fool a lot of people Don't get me wrong - he's a really good coach, but he's still spent a lot of money at Spurs up until last summer, and is rather shit in European competition too.  Not having that he's one of the best 10 coaches in the world at this point. 

Also, seeing Dyche in there but not somone like Christian Streich makes me laugh  

[Destiny]

Lol Farve far superior?? what on earth has he achieved to even make that statement, maybe someone like Simeone or Klopp or even Jardim for winnng titles against the odds, but Farve...    Your Bundesliga bias is clearly showing now...

How has Mopo fooled anyone? Spurs should be sixth every season based on net spend and wages or does net spend not matter anymore despite us defending Rafa to the hilt due to his low net spend.

[Dim Glas]

Lol Farve far superior?? what on earth has he achieved to even make that statement, maybe someone like Simeone or Klopp or even Jardim for winnng titles against the odds, but Farve... 

maybe read up about him, he's one of the most innovative coaches around. He's kinda different in his approach, in  fact, he's pretty damn unique, I'll let you go research his football over the years though,plenty of articles and videos out there, I won't spoil your fun, you might learn something!

Granted, he's choosen a different path over the yeaers from many coaches, and could have gone far more high profile had he maybe not had a meltdown or two! But he's really something else. The statos from here should get on his tacical style and techniques, they'd go into a collective meltdown.

[FlashGordon]

maybe read up about him, he's one of the most innovative coaches around. He's kinda different in his approach, in  fact, he's pretty damn unique, I'll let you go research his football over the years though,plenty of articles and videos out there, I won't spoil your fun, you might learn something!

Granted, he's choosen a different path over the yeaers from many coaches, and could have gone far more high profile had he maybe not had a meltdown or two! But he's really something else. The statos from here should get on his tacical style and techniques, they'd go into a collective meltdown.

All well and good but in a list where Diego Simeone is no.3 then I think footballing aesthetics go out the window. Favre has never achieved anything comparable to Pochettino since he took over Spurs. If he wins the Bundesliga or gets to a Champions League final this year then sure he can jump ahead of him but at the moment not a hope.

[newterp]

Zidane is too high.  there i said it.

[Dim Glas]

All well and good but in a list where Diego Simeone is no.3 then I think footballing aesthetics go out the window. Favre has never achieved anything comparable to Pochettino since he took over Spurs. If he wins the Bundesliga or gets to a Champions League final this year then sure he can jump ahead of him but at the moment not a hope.

very true about aesthetics

Anyway,its just opinion, no big deal, no right or wrong. It's a discussion forum after all. I think Favre is a far better coach than him, you don't. Neither of us is 'right' but in their own minds!

I just find the job Pochetinno has done slightly overhyped in the sense that there are a lot of coaches you can put in the top 10 for 'the job he's done at such and such a club'.  One thing I give him a lot of credit for is helping build a really good squad, although they are getting a bit stale now - not his fault that though.  That's the fault of the money men who would't freshen 'em up last summer.

Edited to add, I think Jardim, Conte and Favre are better coaches than him, it's not just one guy!  Probably Tuchel too, even though he's ridiculously overrated as well.

[newterp]

All well and good but in a list where Diego Simeone is no.3 then I think footballing aesthetics go out the window. Favre has never achieved anything comparable to Pochettino since he took over Spurs. If he wins the Bundesliga or gets to a Champions League final this year then sure he can jump ahead of him but at the moment not a hope.

Pochettino once put the pressure on, and finished 3rd....in a 2 horse race.


(I actually agree that MoPo is good - not sure about Top 10).

[Dench57]

but he's still spent a lot of money at Spurs up until last summer

£18m net spend over the last 5 years with 3 consecutive seasons in the CL against bigger spending rivals, generally good buys, improving existing players and promoting new players from the youth team. I like taking the piss out of Spurs as much anyone but Poch has overachieved there.

[Kekule]

The heat radiating from the fewm on the other side of the park is keeping reds warm on a cold day.

[FlashGordon]

very true about aesthetics

Anyway,its just opinion, no big deal, no right or wrong. It's a discussion forum after all. I think Favre is a far better coach than him, you don't. Neither of us is 'right' but in their own minds!

I just find the job Pochetinno has done slightly overhyped in the sense that there are a lot of coaches you can put in the top 10 for 'the job he's done at such and such a club'.  One thing I give him a lot of credit for is helping build a really good squad, although they are getting a bit stale now - not his fault that though.  That's the fault of the money men who would't freshen 'em up last summer.

One thing I don't think he gets the credit for is improving players; Kane, Son, Alli, Eriksen, Walker, Rose, Alderweireld and Vertonghen have all improved under his watch.

[FlashGordon]

Pochettino once put the pressure on, and finished 3rd....in a 2 horse race.


(I actually agree that MoPo is good - not sure about Top 10).

Yeah all good things to take the piss out of, god knows I have done plenty of times, still achievements for Spurs though.

[Dim Glas]

Pochettino once put the pressure on, and finished 3rd....in a 2 horse race.


(I actually agree that MoPo is good - not sure about Top 10).

well exactly, he's a really good coach, he's not one of the best 10 coaches in the world though - IN MY OPINION (apparently that's important to state today!)

The heat radiating from the fewm on the other side of the park is keeping reds warm on a cold day.

Oh bless! I didn't even realise that the great one from across the park isn't even there.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

How the heck did Southgate and  Dyche make the list ?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Gareth Southgate 

[Not that Gareth]

How the heck did Southgate and  Dyche make the list ?

I know and the Owl did not make it. Scandalous!

[themightybeard]

I always think the outcry about these kinds of lists is pointless as they don't matter in any way. That said Zidane in second has annoyed me - can you really put someone who has only ever managed for 3 years, consisting of only one team (Real's B team notwithstanding), which happens to be one of the best in the world with one of the greatest players to ever lived, ahead of those who have been managing for longer than a decade and made an impact at a number of teams? I dunno, maybe you can and should, but I think it's a bit disrespectful to those who haven't had the luxury of their only job being a billion pound squad featuring Cristiano Ronaldo

[newterp]

Zidane is too high.  there i said it.

I always think the outcry about these kinds of lists is pointless as they don't matter in any way. That said Zidane in second has annoyed me - can you really put someone who has only ever managed for 3 years, consisting of only one team (Real's B team notwithstanding), which happens to be one of the best in the world with one of the greatest players to ever lived, ahead of those who have been managing for longer than a decade and made an impact at a number of teams? I dunno, maybe you can and should, but I think it's a bit disrespectful to those who haven't had the luxury of their only job being a billion pound squad featuring Cristiano Ronaldo

[Dim Glas]

and another one 'too high' is Domenico Tedesco.  He did great last season, but got all the bounces in doing so, while coaching shit on a stick football.  This season his team are close to the relegation zone and he's gone from overachieving to underachieving something crazy. He's also in the 'Zidane' list for not actually having coached that long at such a level.

Anyway, guess we can pick major holes in such a list for many reasons!
 

[Nitramdorf]

What about shitcoat? Too high or too low?

[Lone Star Red]

No Ancelotti??? 

[Qston]

Zidane is too high.  there i said it.

Say it. No argument from me.

Odd list.

[Qston]

What about shitcoat? Too high or too low?

We want him top 5.....so those that run Manure can market having him near the top of the list and give him a further contract extension. Don`t let on that he shouldn`t be anywhere near where he is

[newterp]

What about shitcoat? Too high or too low?

interesting - I think, like rafa, his last 5-6 years have absolutely dropped him - with the awful transfers, psychotic behavior and negative football. And that's while winning a couple of pieces of silverware too!

[Coolie High]

Pochetinno too high, he shouldn't be top 10, especially when someone like Lucien Favre isn't, I know which coach I'd want on my team of the 2!

I'm no fan of tuchel the person, but as a coach, he's way to low when the likes of Pochetinno are getting into the top 10! And the likes of Cocu and Di Francesco above him too? Odd list.

But with these lists, there will always be a lot of argument!

Pochettino is a better coach than Tuchel and deserves to be where he is.