Author Topic: Five English clubs named in ‘European Super League’ plan for 2021 (Read 38737 times)

Raid · « **Reply #400 on:** April 2, 2021, 08:34:49 am »

The interesting change to the CL is the proposal for two wildcards based on previous performance.

We’d be all but guaranteed CL football each year, along with other European giants. Shit season? No drama, you’re in anyway.

Not quite sure that sits too well. It’s a sport at the end of the day still.

decosabute · « **Reply #401 on:** April 2, 2021, 08:55:22 am »

Quote from: Raid on April 2, 2021, 08:34:49 am

The interesting change to the CL is the proposal for two wildcards based on previous performance.

We’d be all but guaranteed CL football each year, along with other European giants. Shit season? No drama, you’re in anyway.

Not quite sure that sits too well. It’s a sport at the end of the day still.

Yeah, while it might work to our benefit, I think it's a bad idea and very much against the sporting principles of the game.

Also have to admit I wouldn't want to see it benefit our rivals

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #402 on:** April 2, 2021, 09:22:37 am »

Quote from: Raid on April 2, 2021, 08:34:49 am

The interesting change to the CL is the proposal for two wildcards based on previous performance.

We’d be all but guaranteed CL football each year, along with other European giants. Shit season? No drama, you’re in anyway.

Not quite sure that sits too well. It’s a sport at the end of the day still.

To be honest, I am in favour of the wildcard concept. As we have seen this season, the bad luck with the injuries can affect any club's season. It would be a travesty if we are not in the CL next season, when we will have a team that will be realistically good enough to win the competition ...

Dave McCoy · « **Reply #403 on:** April 2, 2021, 04:41:52 pm »

Quote from: Raid on April 2, 2021, 08:34:49 am

The interesting change to the CL is the proposal for two wildcards based on previous performance.

We’d be all but guaranteed CL football each year, along with other European giants. Shit season? No drama, you’re in anyway.

Not quite sure that sits too well. It’s a sport at the end of the day still.

You still have to qualify for Europe, either the League or Conference, which means 7th place for the PL. Granted that should be a given but as we're seeing now you never know.

RedSince86 · « **Reply #404 on:** April 2, 2021, 04:46:42 pm »

I remember that season Leicester were in the CL in 16-17, the English contingent was Arsenal, Leicester, City and Spurs and the tv figures dropped to the lowest for the CL.

Us and United should always be in this competition no matter if we don't qualify through the League starting in 2024.

Black Bull Nova · « **Reply #405 on:** April 3, 2021, 12:41:26 am »

The champions league is all about money, let's face it most teams want to qualify for it because of that reason. Nobody is interested in the Europa, the FA cup or the LC because the reward is so thin and doing well in the PL well, let's face it, once the title is decided it is all about top 4 and relegation (ie the money)

Do you watch Brighton v Burnley? Probably not, it's the elite English league but does not pull in viewers, do you watch Krasnovar v Rennes?, again, probably not although it's the elite european competition group stage. A lot of people won't watch those games and, aside from watching your own club (Real Madrid have 36.5m twitter followers, Krasnovar 225k) you may be pulled in by games like PSG v Barca at the most. If no one watches then the advertising revenue goes down. If the revenue goes down, the whole thing collapses.

It has nothing to do with football these days, football chose to dine at the devil's table, the devil does not work with ethics and principles.

disgraced cake · « **Reply #406 on:** April 5, 2021, 12:03:24 pm »

Quote from: RedSince86 on April 2, 2021, 04:46:42 pm

I remember that season Leicester were in the CL in 16-17, the English contingent was Arsenal, Leicester, City and Spurs and the tv figures dropped to the lowest for the CL.

Us and United should always be in this competition no matter if we don't qualify through the League starting in 2024.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Nobody should be just in it based on past successes or how much money they can make. It renders the sport fucking pointless.

There is a lot of things wrong with the current format, even though I am in favour of keeping it. Leagues like the German/Italian ones shouldn't get 4 automatic spots while champions in Holland/Scotland etc have to go through multiple qualifiers. The idea of France getting 4 certain places in it is even funnier when you consider how bad their teams are in Europe. There's a few more things that don't sit right with me but nothing about the new look idea from 2024 is good, it fucking stinks really. Ultimately, I echo that point from wenlock on the previous page, it isn't really about winning anymore, it's enough to just be there.

Ah well, whatever makes the CEO's happy at Juve, Bayern etc. They'll just be allowed to go through with it without opposition and continue to shit on the game.

BoRed · « **Reply #407 on:** April 5, 2021, 03:28:07 pm »

Quote from: disgraced cake on April 5, 2021, 12:03:24 pm

I couldn't disagree with this more. Nobody should be just in it based on past successes or how much money they can make. It renders the sport fucking pointless.

There is a lot of things wrong with the current format, even though I am in favour of keeping it. Leagues like the German/Italian ones shouldn't get 4 automatic spots while champions in Holland/Scotland etc have to go through multiple qualifiers. The idea of France getting 4 certain places in it is even funnier when you consider how bad their teams are in Europe. There's a few more things that don't sit right with me but nothing about the new look idea from 2024 is good, it fucking stinks really. Ultimately, I echo that point from wenlock on the previous page, it isn't really about winning anymore, it's enough to just be there.

Ah well, whatever makes the CEO's happy at Juve, Bayern etc. They'll just be allowed to go through with it without opposition and continue to shit on the game.

Completely agree. This sounds wrong on just about every level.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/GY5RcSf0scU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/GY5RcSf0scU</a>

I honestly hope this backfires, and Shakhtar and Salzburg get the two wildcards when they miss out on their domestic titles.

oojason · « **Reply #408 on:** April 18, 2021, 04:29:14 pm »

https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/1383803049647345668

^ 'UEFA, the English Football Association, the Premier League, the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF), LaLiga, the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) and Lega Serie A have today released a statement.'

Read it in full here:-

www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12121411400e-7897186e699a-1000--statement-by-uefa-the-english-football-association-the-premier- '

oojason · « **Reply #409 on:** April 18, 2021, 04:38:04 pm »

David Conn his the nail on the head with his take on the above announcement - especially re the Premier League's part...

'Valid as the criticism is of the ‘cynical, self-interested’ Superleague breakaway, it’s jarring coming from the Premier League, whose clubs did exactly that to the Football League in 1992, starting the money grab.'

^ https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1383805428706856969

Zeb · « **Reply #410 on:** April 18, 2021, 04:46:27 pm »

David Conn has his head screwed on the right way about a lot of things.

Not keen on this at all. Against that, clubs, the national leagues, UEFA, and governments have all been very happy to look the other way to the binfire they've turned football into when it's been convenient. So I'll read the proposals with a little less prejudice than I perhaps should.

JRed · « **Reply #411 on:** April 18, 2021, 04:53:54 pm »

For the premier league to make a statement against the proposed super league is hypocrisy of the highest order. I’m undecided on it. I do believe that clubs such as us and Utd should get the lions share of the PL tv money ,as let’s face it, without us and Utd the PL wouldn’t be half as popular around the world. I wouldn’t like it to be at the expense of us playing in the English league tho.

oojason · « **Reply #412 on:** April 18, 2021, 04:59:38 pm »

'European Super League plans set to be announced - six English teams involved, Sky News understands':-

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12279493/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands

'Six English teams are expected to be part of plans for a breakaway European Super League, with an announcement due on Sunday night, Sky News understands.

Among the English clubs involved are Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea.'

^ Not the most reliable of sources - but does state there'll be an announcement due tonight... (hopefully not whilst Line Of Duty is on - mother of god...)

Fitzy. · « **Reply #413 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:05:59 pm »

Quote from: RedSince86 on April 2, 2021, 04:46:42 pm

I remember that season Leicester were in the CL in 16-17, the English contingent was Arsenal, Leicester, City and Spurs and the tv figures dropped to the lowest for the CL.

Us and United should always be in this competition no matter if we don't qualify through the League starting in 2024.

Interesting about 16-17 season but don’t think teams should have a guarantee just because of viewers.

Robinred · « **Reply #414 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:07:48 pm »

The critics of this announcement are right that it’s essentially about greed (though it’s also about the relationship with the governing bodies too).

But FIFA, Uefa, the Premier League, the players, the agents and of course most (but not all) of the owners are guilty of greed too. Neymar to PSG was purely about money, and started a trend.

American owners are interested in success, but let’s not kid ourselves they’re sentimental about the clubs or the supporters - there’s plenty of recent evidence to the contrary.

TSC · « **Reply #415 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:09:00 pm »

Quote from: oojason on April 18, 2021, 04:59:38 pm

'European Super League plans set to be announced - six English teams involved, Sky News understands':-

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12279493/european-super-league-plans-set-to-be-announced-six-english-teams-involved-sky-news-understands

'Six English teams are expected to be part of plans for a breakaway European Super League, with an announcement due on Sunday night, Sky News understands.

Among the English clubs involved are Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea.'

^ Not the most reliable of sources - but does state there'll be an announcement due tonight... (hopefully not whilst Line Of Duty is on - mother of god...)

Sky news just reported a joint statement has been released by governing bodies that clubs participating will be banned from playing in any other competitions.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #416 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:10:50 pm »

Maybe worth sticking to one thread about this? there’s the one in the Liverpool forum that’s getting more replies and interaction. Be worth sticking the links form here in that maybe?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #417 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:38:01 pm »

The two clubs who didn’t support this?

PSG, their chairman is of course on the UEFA executive board and his country awarded the World Cup

And Bayern? Their chairman is Hoeness, a man who has spent some time in prison for tax evasion

Red_Rich · « **Reply #418 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:44:32 pm »

Saw this in the other thread ...

"Umm let me see, would I rather watch top level football every week or have to endure the likes of small clubs like Everton and West Ham kick lumps out of our lads with zero consequences every other week?
Yeah tough one that."

To which I'll say ... Sergio Ramos says hi.

Hazell · « **Reply #419 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:45:43 pm »

Shame the other thread got locked, not immediately decrying it as evil, I was quite interested in reading various opinions about it.

Bangin Them In · « **Reply #420 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:49:23 pm »

Just so ironic the Premier League/UEFA concerned about the sanctity of the game

The mainstream cabal are very concerned about this new cabal

scouseman · « **Reply #421 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:50:26 pm »

culture secretary statement https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1383818785988124674/photo/1

Studgotelli · « **Reply #422 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:50:42 pm »

People hate change. This is obviously a money grab that has accelerated what would have happened later down the line if it wasn’t for COVID.

But it could go either way though. Could be great for football or bad for football. It’s like the “NBA-sation” of football. Interesting to see how it goes only time will tell.

Coolie High · « **Reply #423 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:51:44 pm »

Not long till we have Super league games in America, for an even more extortionate price.

scouseman · « **Reply #424 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:53:13 pm »

COVID has no doubt helped to drive and accelerate this with no income from fans in stadiums etc.

dalarr · « **Reply #425 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:55:05 pm »

At least we need to have a real discussion about this. I can’t say anything yet because I don’t know any details. A salary cap like they have in some American leagues wouldn’t be a bad thing, for instance.

PeterTheRed ... · « **Reply #426 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:55:40 pm »

Like I have said on many ocassions, the ESL will happen, for the same reasons the PL happened in 1992. We might like it or not, but it is inevitable ...

scouseman · « **Reply #427 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:56:33 pm »

Quote from: dalarr on April 18, 2021, 05:55:05 pm

At least we need to have a real discussion about this. I can’t say anything yet because I don’t know any details. A salary cap like they have in some American leagues wouldn’t be a bad thing, for instance.

It works in other sports like NFL

disgraced cake · « **Reply #428 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:56:34 pm »

Quote from: Red_Rich on April 18, 2021, 05:44:32 pm

Saw this in the other thread ...

"Umm let me see, would I rather watch top level football every week or have to endure the likes of small clubs like Everton and West Ham kick lumps out of our lads with zero consequences every other week?
Yeah tough one that."

To which I'll say ... Sergio Ramos says hi.

This always makes me laugh, and fucking LOADS of people on Rawk say it. What fucking games have you been watching over the past few years? The referees in Europe are also dogshit (they probably apply the actual rules of the game *minimally* better) and every league across the continent is rife with corruption of sorts.

I was just reading something there about how in this super league FLORENTINO FUCKING PEREZ would be the president. Yeah lads, I'm sure the playing field will be completely level.

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #429 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:57:55 pm »

Hearing the PL talk about “spirit of competition” is laughable to be honest. This is the same organization that has done nothing about FFP abusers and refuses to address the utter incompetence of the referees employed to officiate their games.

Spirit of competition my arse.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #430 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:59:11 pm »

Quote from: TepidT2O on April 18, 2021, 05:38:01 pm

The two clubs who didn’t support this?

PSG, their chairman is of course on the UEFA executive board and his country awarded the World Cup

And Bayern? Their chairman is Hoeness, a man who has spent some time in prison for tax evasion

I was about to ask how come PSG have a chairman sitting on UEFA's executive board?

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #431 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:00:01 pm »

Quote from: exiledintheUSA on April 18, 2021, 05:57:55 pm

Hearing the PL talk about “spirit of competition” is laughable to be honest. This is the same organization that has done nothing about FFF abusers and refuses to address the utter incompetence of the referees employed to officiate their games.

Spirit of competition my arse.

Say nothing of doing exactly the same thing to the old Football League when the PL was founded.

Studgotelli · « **Reply #432 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:00:08 pm »

The clubs have all the power. Who watches the CL and PL if they kick out the big clubs haha. Let’s be honest no one would give a fuck.

The PL/UEFA are fucked either way, all bluff from them and a chess play from the club owners. Either they give the bigger clubs a bigger piece of the pie or the clubs fuck off and kill the rest of the teams. Imo the PL has gotten stale over the years anyway and would’ve continued to do so. If this fails perhaps basketball becomes the number one sport in Europe though!

Eeyore · « **Reply #433 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:01:57 pm »

Quote from: Coolie High on April 18, 2021, 05:51:44 pm

Not long till we have Super league games in America, for an even more extortionate price.

There will be no governing body and the owners of the franchises will make the rules. So the clubs in theory could relocate to where ever they want.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #434 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:02:00 pm »

The funny thing is seeing the reaction of fans of clubs not on the list.

Their clubs are only against it because they aren’t in it.

Hazell · « **Reply #435 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:02:45 pm »

Quote from: Studgotelli on April 18, 2021, 06:00:08 pm

If this fails perhaps basketball becomes the number one sport in Europe though!

Worst shout of the day

Coolie High · « **Reply #436 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:02:59 pm »

Quote from: Al 666 on April 18, 2021, 06:01:57 pm

There will be no governing body and the owners of the franchises will make the rules. So the clubs in theory could relocate to where ever they want.

Wow.

surfer. Fuck you generator. · « **Reply #437 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:03:41 pm »

You think about it, ever since the group stage format, all it's ever been is trying to give the perceived big / high reputation clubs the best shot at getting in and staying in. To the point they have it in their heads to make it into a rule now as a founder member.

The european cup's best ever format was the unseeded two legged tie imo. Hell it was great when we won the Uefa cup under Ged in 01 too. Unseeded two legged ties till final, no Var. Rediscover the soul haha.

Black Bull Nova · « **Reply #438 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:03:52 pm »

Quote from: Studgotelli on April 18, 2021, 06:00:08 pm

If this fails perhaps basketball becomes the number one sport in Europe though!

Kill me now

Coolie High · « **Reply #439 on:** April 18, 2021, 06:04:04 pm »

Quote from: exiledintheUSA on April 18, 2021, 05:57:55 pm

Hearing the PL talk about “spirit of competition” is laughable to be honest. This is the same organization that has done nothing about FFP abusers and refuses to address the utter incompetence of the referees employed to officiate their games.

Spirit of competition my arse.

To be fair the way PL money is divided is far better than other European league’s. And teams can get relegated also!