Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[Lusty]

A program would be less biased than these dickheads who are redrawing lines until it matches their opinion.

No problem with a program automating the decsions because it would get identical decisions right or wrong for everyone. It doesn't care who the player is, or who the team is.

If it gives the same decision consistently then that's all we're after.

The humans in this equation had VAR brought in against them because there are so many people that think they aren't unbiased and aren't impartial.

Now they are using that same bias clearly and they are not accountable to anyone but themselves.

I don't think that getting a computer to make consistently inaccurate decisions is a step forward to be honest.

But either way, if you think AI is unbiased then I think you're in for a shock. If the training data is biased, the AI will just amplify it.

[Zimagic]

Those who are behind the fully automated system say there's no big/small margin. Decisions will be down to 10mm so same shite.

The only difference is it'll be faster & it wont be Cootes in Stockley Park drawing lines.

[Ghost Town]

Those who are behind the fully automated system say there's no big/small margin. Decisions will be down to 10mm so same shite.

The only difference is it'll be faster & it wont be Cootes in Stockley Park drawing lines.

If that's true then it will suck big balls. The article the other day had a suggestion that they would programme the AI to only give decisions that would also clearly pass an eye test

[farawayred]

If that's true then it will suck big balls. The article the other day had a suggestion that they would programme the AI to only give decisions that would also clearly pass an eye test

It depends what goes in the programming of the AI

[Dave McCoy]

Dale Johnson making the point that it's David Coote on VAR tonight and he seems to have a theme:

[Barneylfc∗]

The one with Pepe, why is his dotted line going to the edge of his sleeve, but the dotted line for Holgate(?) going through his sleeve?

[wampa1]

All those examples suggest you're allowed to score a goal with your arm : /

[Passmaster Molby]

If they want to faff about with their lines etc, it should be head, knee and foot and that’s it. When in the world has someone scored a goal with their upper arm? These offsides are a joke, and you can talk about the ESL ruining football but for me VAR is becoming as much of a problem.

[The North Bank]

Absolute joke . Get rid.

[kavah]

Dale Johnson making the point that it's David Coote on VAR tonight and he seems to have a theme:

God how depressing - they are in line aren't they - in the old days onside.
I wish they only needed to call out the clearly on or offside, screw ups,

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Forget about the fucking ESL, VAR is the biggest enemy of football. People should protest against this!

[Red-Soldier]

We've got our game back 

[Dull Tools]

All those examples suggest you're allowed to score a goal with your arm : /

You can now as long as it is above a line going horizontal from the armpit.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Forget about the fucking ESL, VAR is the biggest enemy of football. People should protest against this!

VAR is fine. It's those jolly rotters running it that are the problem.

[swoopy]

The lines on the ground from the first player should not be displayed to the VAR until the 2nd line is also drawn. So easy to manipulate (firmino v villa) if they can see where the first line is in relation to the crosshairs for the 2nd players.

[Agent99]

Just watching the NRL and VAR has been used about 20 times so far and it is smooth as fuck. Quick decisions and all justified even though about six tries have been disallowed. I know it has been in place for years in Rugby League but even tight decisions are accepted and the crowd can see it on the big screen and they're fine with it. How can football have fucked it up so spectacularly?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Just watching the NRL and VAR has been used about 20 times so far and it is smooth as fuck. Quick decisions and all justified even though about six tries have been disallowed. I know it has been in place for years in Rugby League but even tight decisions are accepted and the crowd can see it on the big screen and they're fine with it. How can football have fucked it up so spectacularly?

Not only has football fucked it up spectacularly, they've actually been making it worse with changes since it was first implemented.

[DelTrotter]

Guess just smashing someone in the face is allowed now.

[Dull Tools]

Guess just smashing someone in the face is allowed now.

why havent they shown it again?

[El Lobo]

why havent they shown it again?

Same reason they didn’t show the handball when Mo tried the one-two with Diogo I’m guessing

[CraigDS]

Ref not asked to look at a clear forearm smash, but you can guarantee there will be a 5 minute disection the minute a Liverpool player fouls someone.

[Red-Soldier]

The beautiful game.

[wampa1]

The "it evens itself out over the season" brigade will be out in force.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

In games where we have shitloads more possession and touches against teams with 1/3 of that possession and 1/3 the touches, we always manage to still get a high foul count despite clearly not being a 'dirty team'


Exactly the same here.

Liverpool. Possession 69%  - Supposed fouls: 9

Newcastle. Possession 31% - fouls 6



Every fucking game.

[Dull Tools]

What was the extra minute and a half of time for?

[gerrardisgod]

What was the extra minute and a half of time for?

The VAR reversal/goal celebration. Correctly.

[ep1987]

The lines on the ground from the first player should not be displayed to the VAR until the 2nd line is also drawn. So easy to manipulate (firmino v villa) if they can see where the first line is in relation to the crosshairs for the 2nd players.

Especially when referee/official bias (because they're human, PL refs aren't corrupt) has been proven by numerous studies.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I mean neither should be fouls in my mind let alone red cards, but a perfect example of the batshit craziness of PL referees and VAR. Same game, same officials.. .

Red card:

https://twitter.com/SedentaryGary/status/1386020051355058176?s=19

5 minutes later, no red card:

https://twitter.com/FortunesAH/status/1386023953857224705?s=19

Like.. just.. how?? How can two professional referees look at the first incident and decide that's a red card? Then how can the same referees look at the second incident and decide it's not worthy of the same punishment, regardless of how ridiculous the punishment was?

Nevermind. Look forward to them being given another high profile game next week.

[Red_Rich]

The lines on the ground from the first player should not be displayed to the VAR until the 2nd line is also drawn. So easy to manipulate (firmino v villa) if they can see where the first line is in relation to the crosshairs for the 2nd players.

Very good point.

I mean, by the laws of average, and by the nature of these things, there should have been a "dead heat" or "Photo finish" by now where the lines are identical.  But so far I don't remember seeing one.

[Lad]

Striker shoots goalie saves but ball smashes into his arm from less than a yard away. I'm sorry it may technically be 'the rules' now but what a load of shite, how can the guy avoid the rebound.

If that was against us this place would be in meltdown.

[farawayred]

The law has made a distinction between an attacker and a defender. Defender get hit with the ball in the arm, no penalty. Attacker gets hit with the ball in the arm, goal disallowed. Neither one should be a foul, the law is stupid.

[CraigDS]

Striker shoots goalie saves but ball smashes into his arm from less than a yard away. I'm sorry it may technically be 'the rules' now but what a load of shite, how can the guy avoid the rebound.

If that was against us this place would be in meltdown.

Certainly when his arm is against his body. If it was stretched out to the side then the goal should be disallowed.

[Crimson]

Striker shoots goalie saves but ball smashes into his arm from less than a yard away. I'm sorry it may technically be 'the rules' now but what a load of shite, how can the guy avoid the rebound.

If that was against us this place would be in meltdown.

Couldn't believe they disallowed that. Absolute joke.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Couldn't believe they disallowed that. Absolute joke.

Why,it's been a well publicised law that any goal scored through handball,accidental or not is disallowed.

[farawayred]

Why,it's been a well publicised law that any goal scored through handball,accidental or not is disallowed.

I think the gripe is with what constitutes handball. That was never a handball until last season. Even if the attacker sticks his hand up his ass up to the elbow, it's still interpreted as a handbal... Ridiculous law change.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I think the gripe is with what constitutes handball. That was never a handball until last season. Even if the attacker sticks his hand up his ass up to the elbow, it's still interpreted as a handbal... Ridiculous law change.

It is but it's still the least ridiculous law change of the past few years.

[Barneylfc∗]

Striker shoots goalie saves but ball smashes into his arm from less than a yard away. I'm sorry it may technically be 'the rules' now but what a load of shite, how can the guy avoid the rebound.

If that was against us this place would be in meltdown.

It wouldnt be in meltdown, as that's what the law states and has done for 2 seasons now. It's fucking shite, but it is what it is.

[Dave McCoy]

That's the first goal all season chalked off for attacking hand ball.  It's not a big deal and Newcastle ended up scoring anyway.  The bigger issue is PGMOL and off-side calls.  It affects every game for the worse.

[y2w902]

We had a goal ruled out for that when the ball hit Firmino on the arm on the half way line before he played it through on goal to someone else (maybe Mo, can't remember now).

[Guz-kop]

Yup against spurs when Bobby was actually being fouled by Dier