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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #240 on: October 4, 2017, 09:49:37 pm »
Just the two  of us.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #241 on: October 4, 2017, 09:51:59 pm »
Gully's wife btw

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #242 on: October 4, 2017, 09:52:59 pm »
I'll show her that.....be afraid, very.... ;D

I make sure i'm on the other side of the world ;)

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #243 on: October 4, 2017, 09:53:37 pm »
I make sure i'm on the other side of the world ;)

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #244 on: October 4, 2017, 09:54:33 pm »
She has skills. She'll find you....

Hmmm now I am afraid, a body like that with the skills of Liam Neeson.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #245 on: October 4, 2017, 09:54:51 pm »
That's the thing, I don't know.

But it took a great mind to plan it, and great skill to execute it.

I'm basing the time scale on what 'experts' have told us. They did all this using primitive tools. So, it either took a hell of a lot longer than 20 years, or the tools they used were not so primitive.

Speaking of man power, imagine how inconvenient it would be having hundreds or even thousands of people trying to manoeuvre one block into place. 

How big do you think a two tonne block is?

Limestone has a density if around 2500 kg/m3. 1000kg = 1 tonne. So a two tonne block will be less than 1m x 1m x 1m. That’s not enormous and the idea that you’d need hundreds (or thousands!) of people to move one block is utterly ridiculous.

Just for comparison - a standard pallet of bricks weighs about 1.7 tonnes. You've admitted you have no idea what you’re talking about. What’s annoying is you haven’t done the most basic checks on the nonsense you’re spouting.

A thousand men to move one pallet of bricks? Really?
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #246 on: October 4, 2017, 09:56:00 pm »
I'm basing the time scale on what 'experts' have told us.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #247 on: October 4, 2017, 09:57:48 pm »
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Id follow this buns up a hill as well as the half tonne rock

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #248 on: October 4, 2017, 09:58:18 pm »
Have you ever tried to move a rock?

I have.

It was around half a ton.

It took me a while but using a large iron bar as a lever and another rock as a fulcrum I was able to postion it on the blades of a heavy duty sack truck.

Levers are great, once you understand them they enable huge forces to be applied and with little effort.

I then pulled the sack truck up a slope in our garden around 75m  with only the assistance of my wife.

Just the two  of us.

Wheels and rollers are great too.

It took around 10 minutes.

Now think what a team of say 200 people could do.

There's no mystery involved, it's pretty straightforward.
Weightlifters can lift 1/4 tonne. It doesn't mean they can build 500 foot Pyramids in twenty years.

So straightforward that it's disputed, even among people that have spent their life studying it.

Could it be done, sure. Could it be done it twenty years? Absolutely delusional to think so.


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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #249 on: October 4, 2017, 09:59:03 pm »


I don't think it matters what we tell him, what accurate and demonstrable facts he's presented with, he's a closed mind with a immutable set of contarian beliefs.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #250 on: October 4, 2017, 09:59:44 pm »
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #251 on: October 4, 2017, 10:01:43 pm »
....even among people that have spent their life studying it.

I asked you yesterday for sources. Come on, give us some sources for all these claims of yours...
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #252 on: October 4, 2017, 10:02:45 pm »
How big do you think a two tonne block is?

Limestone has a density if around 2500 kg/m3. 1000kg = 1 tonne. So a two tonne block will be less than 1m x 1m x 1m. That’s not enormous and the idea that you’d need hundreds (or thousands!) of people to move one block is utterly ridiculous.

Just for comparison - a standard pallet of bricks weighs about 1.7 tonnes. You've admitted you have no idea what you’re talking about. What’s annoying is you haven’t done the most basic checks on the nonsense you’re spouting.

A thousand men to move one pallet of bricks? Really?

Again, I'm not doubting the ability to lift a two tonne block. As I've just said, individuals (the best) can do 1/4 of it.

But we're not talking about just picking up a block and lobbing it anywhere. We're talking about building an architectural masterpiece. Nothing we've built to this day compares to it.

I don't think it matters what we tell him, what accurate and demonstrable facts he's presented with, he's a closed mind with a immutable set of contarian beliefs.

Quite the opposite. You think that humanity of 2017 has all the answers. It doesn't.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #253 on: October 4, 2017, 10:05:03 pm »
I really don't get the shock, there are videos of individuals moving blocks 10 times the weight on their own (using similar methods they would have used during this period), so with the man power they had back then it's not a far cry.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #254 on: October 4, 2017, 10:08:44 pm »
I really don't get the shock, there are videos of individuals moving blocks 10 times the weight on their own (using similar methods they would have used during this period), so with the man power they had back then it's not a far cry.
Where are they moving these blocks? Are they moving them several hundred feet into the air?

Are they dragging them up and around a pyramid?

All in twenty years?

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #255 on: October 4, 2017, 10:10:21 pm »
I really don't get the shock, there are videos of individuals moving blocks 10 times the weight on their own (using similar methods they would have used during this period), so with the man power they had back then it's not a far cry.

Just don't tell his that the biggest stone used on the Pyramid was 20+ tonnes

And for fucks sake don't show him this video

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #256 on: October 4, 2017, 10:12:48 pm »
Where are they moving these blocks? Are they moving them several hundred feet into the air?

Are they dragging them up and around a pyramid?

All in twenty years?

Stop being deliberately ignorant.

I posted links yesterday giving plausible details of how they could be constructed.

You obviously haven't read them and probably don't want to read them and don't want to learn.

That's fine, it's your choice.

It's that sort of attitude that results in the likes of Trump being elected.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #257 on: October 4, 2017, 10:13:27 pm »
Just don't tell his that the biggest stone used on the Pyramid was 20+ tonnes

And for fucks sake don't show him this video

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Haha and this took him five minutes to do?

How high did he lift this block?

I could lift Chakan, it doesn't mean I could carry him several hundred feet into the air.

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« Reply #258 on: October 4, 2017, 10:15:26 pm »
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« Reply #259 on: October 4, 2017, 10:17:18 pm »
Haha and this took him five minutes to do?

How high did he lift this block?

I could lift Chakan, it doesn't mean I could carry him several hundred feet into the air.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #260 on: October 4, 2017, 10:18:53 pm »
Where are they moving these blocks? Are they moving them several hundred feet into the air?

Are they dragging them up and around a pyramid?

All in twenty years?

There are guys who can pull planes ffs. No one was lifting blocks over their heads. I regularly pull weights of up to a tonne around at work once they have wheels, and I'm not particularly strong.

There were around 20000 men building it for 20 years! And they didn't get bank holidays.

Also, the guy who built it built 2 others. How old do you think he was when he started and when he finished all 3?

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #261 on: October 4, 2017, 10:20:16 pm »
Stop being deliberately ignorant.

I posted links yesterday giving plausible details of how they could be constructed.

You obviously haven't read them and probably don't want to read them and don't want to learn.

That's fine, it's your choice.

It's that sort of attitude that results in the likes of Trump being elected.

Well done.

It could be constructed, I'm not disputing that, but not in twenty years, given the tools they supposedly used.

I have great time for you, you're an intelligent fella and I enjoy your posts. I'm not sure how comparing someone with questions about how the pyramids were built (which even the foremost experts argue over) equates to someone voting for an obvious charlatan.


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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #262 on: October 4, 2017, 10:21:42 pm »
We're talking 2,000,000 blocks, weighing an average of 2+ tonnes. In twenty years. Using 'primitive' tools.

Simply nonsense.

We're not talking about sacks of spuds. I don't think people appreciate the skill, ingenuity and TIME required to accomplish this.

So.... we are talking about time travelling humans. Interesting.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #263 on: October 4, 2017, 10:22:55 pm »
There are guys who can pull planes ffs. No one was lifting blocks over their heads. I regularly pull weights of up to a tonne around at work once they have wheels, and I'm not particularly strong.

There were around 20000 men building it for 20 years! And they didn't get bank holidays.

Also, the guy who built it built 2 others. How old do you think he was when he started and when he finished all 3?
20,000 men. A logistical nightmare.


If it's all so simple, why haven't any one you presented your methods?

It's still one of the great mysteries (apart from here on RAWK).


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« Reply #264 on: October 4, 2017, 10:23:36 pm »
Nothing we've built to this day compares to it.

Dread to think of the state of your house mate but mine is mucher nicer than a pyramid. If you ever go to London and see the shard it's going to blow your mind.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #265 on: October 4, 2017, 10:24:04 pm »


But we're not talking about just picking up a block and lobbing it anywhere. We're talking about building an architectural masterpiece. Nothing we've built to this day compares to it.


This guy is whooshing, right?

The number of documentaries that show how the pyramids were likely constructed are so numerous that to even challenge the basic concept is ridiculous.

I'm just going off memory of course, but if we're just talking about Egyptian pyramids, it's layers of blocks laid on top of one another, with the chambers and shafts shaped into the blocks as they're set.  The whole thing is held together by gravity and supported by the massive base.  For all their size, it is very straightforward. 

Ancient civilisations built them because if you wanted to build big that's all their technology allowed for - sliding blocks into place and stacking them on top of one another. There are no doubt details, but it's not like you're constructing a huge, self supporting tower, with complicated interiors and delicate carvings, like with the Anglican Cathedral.

20 years might seem a bit short I'll admit, but if conditions are right with no setbacks and good planning I imagine it is quite possible for a King, with an endless supply of workers and money, to get it done.  If there's a bad harvest or a drought then maybe it stretches to 30 years.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #266 on: October 4, 2017, 10:24:32 pm »
...I'm not sure how comparing someone with questions about how the pyramids were built (which even the foremost experts argue over) equates to someone voting for an obvious charlatan.



It's called studied ignorance.

It's a rejection of real experts opinions and a willingness to want to instead believe in alternative and non scientific or rational stuff.

And it's a peculiar sickness in society that unfortunately seems to be on the rise at the moment.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #267 on: October 4, 2017, 10:25:24 pm »
It's called studied ignorance.

It's a rejection of real experts opinions and a willingness to instead want to instead believe in alternative and non scientific or rational stuff.

And it's a peculiar sickness in society that unfortunately seems to be on the rise at the moment.
The same experts that dispute how they were built?


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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #268 on: October 4, 2017, 10:25:53 pm »
And I am clueless, just like everyone else is about Giza. I'm not trying to fool myself though.

No, no. We get that you find it effortless.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #269 on: October 4, 2017, 10:26:27 pm »
The same experts that dispute how they were built?



I've asked you twice  so I'll ask you again a third time now.

Quote these experts and with links ta.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #270 on: October 4, 2017, 10:27:18 pm »
Dread to think of the state of your house mate but mine is mucher nicer than a pyramid. If you ever go to London and see the shard it's going to blow your mind.
Thankfully my house was built using more than a copper chisel. No two tonne blocks either.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #271 on: October 4, 2017, 10:27:43 pm »
20,000 men. A logistical nightmare.


If it's all so simple, why haven't any one you presented your methods?

It's still one of the great mysteries (apart from here on RAWK).



20000 men working on a shared goal is the issue now?

Ever seen an army? Does it look disorganised to you?

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« Reply #272 on: October 4, 2017, 10:29:17 pm »
I've asked you twice  so I'll ask you again a third time now.

Quote these experts and with links ta.
I've left it open ended.

Ring up and ask ANY architect and/or engineer about building the Great Pyramid of Giza and they'll hang up on you. Your choice, pick any in the world. You won't get it done it twenty years.

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« Reply #273 on: October 4, 2017, 10:30:39 pm »
I've left it open ended.

Ring up and ask ANY architect and/or engineer about building the Great Pyramid of Giza and they'll hang up on you. Your choice, pick any in the world. You won't get it done it twenty years.

My brother in law is an architect. He says you're talking utter bollocks.
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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #274 on: October 4, 2017, 10:30:54 pm »
20000 men working on a shared goal is the issue now?

Ever seen an army? Does it look disorganised to you?

75,000 people work at Heathrow.

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« Reply #275 on: October 4, 2017, 10:32:07 pm »
Thankfully my house was built using more than a copper chisel. No two tonne blocks either.

How about Dover Castle then? Or Chichen Itza. The Collusium? Or Petra? All equally impressive and they didn't have JCBs to help.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #276 on: October 4, 2017, 10:32:38 pm »
found this beeb documentary, part one of six.  You can find the rest on youtube.  I remember watching it when it first came out but it's about 15 years ago so it wont include any up to date information.

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #277 on: October 4, 2017, 10:33:56 pm »
I've left it open ended.

Give us the quotes of these so called experts you have read or seen.

Go on.

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Right you fuckwit I will show you why you are talking out of your fat arse...

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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #278 on: October 4, 2017, 10:34:54 pm »
My brother in law is an architect. He says you're talking utter bollocks.
Great.

What's his name? I'm assuming he's well known. Anyone that solved the mystery of how the Great Pyramid was built would be pretty well known...


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Re: The Pyramids
« Reply #279 on: October 4, 2017, 10:35:45 pm »
Great.

What's his name? I'm assuming he's well known. Anyone that solved the mystery of how the Great Pyramid was built would be pretty well known...



Give us the quotes from your experts.

Come on, You're surely not afraid are you?
I don't do polite so fuck yoursalf with your stupid accusations...

Right you fuckwit I will show you why you are talking out of your fat arse...

Mutton Geoff (Obviously a real nice guy)