Topic: Seat Belts

[Elmo!]

Of course, no idea why you wouldn't.

[Chakan]

that's against the law..

Not where I live. Least I don't think it is...

One sec.

Edit: Nope not required for backseat passengers where I live.

[CraigDS]

If you don't in the back then you put the person sat in front of you in quite a lot of danger - as your body flying forward in a crash will smash them into the dashboard / steering wheel.

[rob1966]

Only started wearing them when they became law, my first 4 cars didn't even have rear belts.

If you don't in the back then you put the person sat in front of you in quite a lot of danger - as your body flying forward in a crash will smash them into the dashboard / steering wheel.

Remember the advert where the lad in the back seat kills his Mum who was driving

Still remember cming back from Pwhelli in my Dads Mk2 Escort, me and our kid like lobsters so lying on the back seat, Dad had to slam on, me and our kid flew into the front seats and ended up on the floor.

[Wabaloolah]

Always now since it became law, I never used to though before that. Seems daft not wearing one now and mad to think that 40 years ago you didn't even have to wear one in the front

[BarryCrocker]

You'd be an idiot not to. There's a reason they're installed by manufacturers.

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It would hard to find a news story where they report that 'luckily the passenger wasn't wearing a seat belt'.

[peelyon]

I know the sample size is fairly small (at time of writing) - but currently 30% dont??

Why wouldnt you?

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I never used to. I didnt care.
For the last 10 years I do. If I am driving, I dont start the car until everyone is belted.

[west_london_red]

I very rare I sit in the back seat of a car and honestly had no idea you had to wear a seatbelt if you were sitting in the back until Sunak got in trouble.

[liverbloke]

always wear a seat belt anywhere in a car - do i trust any fucker not to crash or be crashed into? no way

chakan - think about that and imagine even worse things happening... like your camera getting smashed 

[Nobby Reserve]

Yes, since it was a legal requirement.

Looking back now its insane that seatbelt wearing was ever optional.

Exactly this.

[tubby]

I'd say 90% of the time, yes.  But I'll admit there have been occasions where I've been in the back of a black cab for a short journey and not done it.

[rob1966]

Yes, since it was a legal requirement.

Looking back now its insane that seatbelt wearing was ever optional.

Did you know that after the law was brought in, injuries and fatalities to pedestrians and cyclists increased? There's a theory that the safer you make things, the more we push the risks, so by making cars safer we made the driving worse?

As a biker, we always hated Volvos, because they were always the ones who pulled out in front of us without a care. We would have preferred that rather than massive safety zones that meant you could drive a Volvo off a roof and walk away from the smash, there should be a massive spike in the steering wheel, that impaled the driver in a crash - that's make them drive carefully

[Crosby Nick]

I'd say 90% of the time, yes.  But I'll admit there have been occasions where I've been in the back of a black cab for a short journey and not done it.

Reported.

[rob1966]

Those who aren't old enough to remember the "Clunk Clip Every Trip" adverts, for front seat belts, won't know that they were fronted by the Royals and the BBCs favourite paedophile Jimmy Saville

[Nobby Reserve]

Those who aren't old enough to remember the "Clunk Clip Every Trip" adverts, for front seat belts, won't know that they were fronted by the Royals and the BBCs favourite paedophile Jimmy Saville

Think Savile just liked his passengers to be restrained and unable to get up

[Red Beret]

Absolutely, yes.

[rob1966]

Think Savile just liked his passengers to be restrained and unable to get up

They were my thoughts too - he'd have loved the child seats with a full harness that keeps them locked in place.

[Son of Spion]

Did you know that after the law was brought in, injuries and fatalities to pedestrians and cyclists increased? There's a theory that the safer you make things, the more we push the risks, so by making cars safer we made the driving worse?

As a biker, we always hated Volvos, because they were always the ones who pulled out in front of us without a care. We would have preferred that rather than massive safety zones that meant you could drive a Volvo off a roof and walk away from the smash, there should be a massive spike in the steering wheel, that impaled the driver in a crash - that's make them drive carefully

No, I didn't know that.

I suppose the added safety could lead to cockiness and complacency in some people.

Talking of steering wheels. My Grandad had a crash in Ainsdale over 50 years ago and the steering wheel made a hell of a mess of his chest area. 

[Barneylfc∗]

Was an ad a few years back here that showed a lad sitting in the back smashing the head off everyone else in the car. It ended with "It's the one without the seatbelt that did the damage." I still have to repeat that line pretty much every time my 43 year old brother sits in the back of my car.

[rob1966]

No, I didn't know that.

I suppose the added safety could lead to cockiness and complacency in some people.

Talking of steering wheels. My Grandad had a crash in Ainsdale over 50 years ago and the steering wheel made a hell of a mess of his chest area. 

I can imagine, especially the older designs were safety was never given a thought.

This relates to bikes, but I'd never wear anything but a full faced helmet. I've had a crash at 40mph that deformed my lid and ground a big chunk out of the chin guard, in an open face, that's a damaged/wrecked jaw. I'm surprised professional cyclists don't wear them the speeds they get up to.

[redbyrdz]

I can imagine, especially the older designs were safety was never given a thought.

This relates to bikes, but I'd never wear anything but a full faced helmet. I've had a crash at 40mph that deformed my lid and ground a big chunk out of the chin guard, in an open face, that's a damaged/wrecked jaw. I'm surprised professional cyclists don't wear them the speeds they get up to.

Try riding up a hill in a full face helmet.

[rob1966]

Try riding up a hill in a full face helmet.

What issues does it cause, does it remove your visibilty, as you have your head down? I know lying flat on the tank I lose a lot of visibilty.

[redbyrdz]

What issues does it cause, does it remove your visibilty, as you have your head down? I know lying flat on the tank I lose a lot of visibilty.

You'll get heatstroke. Riding a bike is very hard work, you want as much ventilation as you can. Full face helmets are just too hot. Even in downhill/enduro riding, where they wear full-face helmets for riding down, they'll take them off for riding uphill, and they go very, very slowly.

Visibility might be another issue, but the big issues is heat. Plus weight, probably. Cycling is a weight-obsessed sport, even 10g more is seen as too much.

[Brian Blessed]

No, I didn't know that.

I suppose the added safety could lead to cockiness and complacency in some people.

Talking of steering wheels. My Grandad had a crash in Ainsdale over 50 years ago and the steering wheel made a hell of a mess of his chest area. 

There is a book I ready many years ago called The Armchair Economist. The first chapter is about care safety, and how things like seatbelts and padded dashboards (it was written before airbags) do lead to more reckless driving.

The author suggested that to make vehicles as safe as possible, all passenger seats should have seat belts. Instead of a belt, the driver  has a spike sticking out the steering wheel pointed at their chest. With almost any accident ending their life, every driver would be cautious as fuck.

I just googled it, and it is actually a thing called the Tullock Spike, named after the economist who originally had the idea.

Edit: also, I always where a seat belt.

[Son of Spion]

^
Bloody hell. Spiked steering wheels. 

I imagine everyone would be doing 5mph if such things were installed.

In my own case safety features have never seen me take more risks. I didn't learn to drive until 2000 so popping your seat belt on was standard. My first car was a 1995 plate and didn't have airbags, ABS and suchlike. A couple of years ago I replaced that with a 2006 plate which has a lot more safety features but I drive exactly the same.

[Grobbelrevell]

If yes, for how long? Since childhood or only recently?

If no, why not?

Yeah, I'll instinctively put a seat belt on in any car, irrespective of where within it I'm sitting.

When I was kid, however, I very much remember spending longer journeys with my parents laid out on the back seat, either sleeping or playing games. That feels a bit mad to me now.

I also remember going to visit an ex-girlfriends family in Cyprus a few years back. They picked us up form the airport and were laughing to themselves when we both climbed into the back and put our seatbelts on. "Look at these Brits". They didn't wear theirs at all.

Thinking about it, I never think to put one on if I'm on a bus or a coach though, even if they very obviously have one. Which is strange, given I do it naturally in a car.

[rob1966]

You'll get heatstroke. Riding a bike is very hard work, you want as much ventilation as you can. Full face helmets are just too hot. Even in downhill/enduro riding, where they wear full-face helmets for riding down, they'll take them off for riding uphill, and they go very, very slowly.

Visibility might be another issue, but the big issues is heat. Plus weight, probably. Cycling is a weight-obsessed sport, even 10g more is seen as too much.

Can't believe I didn't think of that, I know how hot my head can get after a spirited ride along twisty roads where you are moving about a lot on the bike, or on hot days.

[Samie]

Not since I was a kid. 

[Ziltoid]

Only if the wife wants a bit of bondage thrown in

[Son of Spion]

Only if the wife wants a bit of bondage thrown in

*Raises eyebrow*

[Crosby Nick]

Only if the wife wants a bit of bondage thrown in

[Ziltoid]

 

[duvva 💅]

Frank Bough has aged well all things considered

[Son of Spion]

Frank Bough has aged well all things considered

Considering he's been dead for two years he's looking great there.

[AndyMuller]

Stupid if you don’t like.

[rob1966]

Episode of The Sweeney is on now. New Flying Squad driver is a nutter, driving the 3.0 Granada, chasing a Mk2 Jag.  On the outside shots, you can see not one of the stunt men are wearing a seatbelt and on the inside shots, no seats belts.

Chase ends with the Jag crashing and the driver flying through the windscreen in a shower of glass, driver dead.

[AndyInVA]

Episode of The Sweeney is on now. New Flying Squad driver is a nutter, driving the 3.0 Granada, chasing a Mk2 Jag.  On the outside shots, you can see not one of the stunt men are wearing a seatbelt and on the inside shots, no seats belts.

Chase ends with the Jag crashing and the driver flying through the windscreen in a shower of glass, driver dead.

For context I just looked at the chase scenes from Baby Driver, not a seat belt in sight

although in that one. no one gets chucked through the front windy, just all die from Police gun fire

[rob1966]

For context I just looked at the chase scenes from Baby Driver, not a seat belt in sight

although in that one. no one gets chucked through the front windy, just all die from Police gun fire

With the way things are these days, I assume that they had hidden harnesses that went under their clothes, they can't risk the actors getting hurt

[Son of Spion]

Knight Rider always made me laugh.

KITT would go into Turbo Boost and fly through the air over a train or wagon then land on the other side but the non seat-belt wearing Michael barely flinches as they hit the ground.