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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70560 on: August 9, 2022, 10:21:11 pm »
Benn v Eubank Jnr is on 8th Oct.


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70561 on: August 9, 2022, 10:26:07 pm »
It's at the O2 and is a Catchweight fight.   ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70562 on: August 10, 2022, 12:11:25 am »
Fury calling out Chisora  :rollseyes

Two mates wanting a massive pay day it would seem.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70563 on: August 10, 2022, 08:31:57 am »
Fury calling out Chisora  :rollseyes
When you're the GOAT (Better than Johnson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Louis, Tyson, Lewis, Holmes, Holyfield, etc.) it makes sense to fight someone you've beaten twice before and who is, as far as I know, not in line for a title shot.

He should be fighting more regularly but perhaps against someone he HAS NOT fought before? If he wasn't faffing about, he could have fought Joyce, Parker, or Ruiz who are now booked up I think. He would be prohibitive favourite in each case, almost certainly win, and get a credible contender on his record.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70564 on: August 10, 2022, 11:06:42 am »
Two mates wanting a massive pay day it would seem.
Not like the second fight was particularly close either.
When you're the GOAT (Better than Johnson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Louis, Tyson, Lewis, Holmes, Holyfield, etc.) it makes sense to fight someone you've beaten twice before and who is, as far as I know, not in line for a title shot.
Yeah but did any of them get really fat and then get thin again?  Such an inspiration...

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70565 on: August 10, 2022, 07:09:48 pm »
When you're the GOAT (Better than Johnson, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Louis, Tyson, Lewis, Holmes, Holyfield, etc.) it makes sense to fight someone you've beaten twice before and who is, as far as I know, not in line for a title shot.

He should be fighting more regularly but perhaps against someone he HAS NOT fought before? If he wasn't faffing about, he could have fought Joyce, Parker, or Ruiz who are now booked up I think. He would be prohibitive favourite in each case, almost certainly win, and get a credible contender on his record.
Perhaps a clever move in having Chisora as the warm up fight to a potential unification clash with AJ or Usyk?
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70566 on: August 10, 2022, 09:43:51 pm »
Perhaps a clever move in having Chisora as the warm up fight to a potential unification clash with AJ or Usyk?
He may as well give Otto Wallin a rematch in that case. My point is he could fight some other contender who he hasn't fought twice and as Lusty said, beat easily the second time around.

Not like the second fight was particularly close either.Yeah but did any of them get really fat and then get thin again?  Such an inspiration...
Foreman got fat, he didn't bother with the thin part though :D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70567 on: August 10, 2022, 10:12:02 pm »
He may as well give Otto Wallin a rematch in that case. My point is he could fight some other contender who he hasn't fought twice and as Lusty said, beat easily the second time around.
Foreman got fat, he didn't bother with the thin part though :D
Oh I agree. When I saw the announcement I was disappointed. Chisora, although a warrior is over the hill. I was expecting a far more interesting fight.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70568 on: August 12, 2022, 02:16:28 pm »
In other news, Fury has retired today.... Again..... ( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::))

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70569 on: August 12, 2022, 02:23:22 pm »
I was sad when he retired last week, and then happy when he came out of retirement to maybe fight Chisora on Tuesday, and sad when he retired again today. I look forward to his triumphant return to boxing on Sunday and subsequent retirement next Friday.
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70570 on: August 12, 2022, 02:41:19 pm »
Benn v Eubank Jnr is on 8th Oct.
At 156 pounds catchweight. Eubank will likely be 15+ pounds heavier, has a big reach advantage and is generally a bigger framed guy. Benn has power at lower weights but I can't him putting a dent in Eubank.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70571 on: August 12, 2022, 02:52:42 pm »
In other news, Fury has retired today.... Again..... ( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::))
Said a while ago that he'll be off to the YouTube circuit for a bit.  Until one of his mates needs a payday.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70572 on: August 12, 2022, 03:12:09 pm »
At 156 pounds catchweight. Eubank will likely be 15+ pounds heavier, has a big reach advantage and is generally a bigger framed guy. Benn has power at lower weights but I can't him putting a dent in Eubank.

I think Eubank Jnr is too big I guess it depends if he is allowed to put on 15ibs though ?

Im not really into catchweight fights it always gives someone an excuse.

My take is you want to fight a MW go up to 160ibs and do it.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70573 on: August 12, 2022, 05:27:06 pm »
I think Eubank Jnr is too big I guess it depends if he is allowed to put on 15ibs though ?

Im not really into catchweight fights it always gives someone an excuse.

My take is you want to fight a MW go up to 160ibs and do it.
Benn's team could, and probably should, put a stipulation in that Eubank can't weigh more than x amount on fight night.

I was sad when he retired last week, and then happy when he came out of retirement to maybe fight Chisora on Tuesday, and sad when he retired again today. I look forward to his triumphant return to boxing on Sunday and subsequent retirement next Friday.
He's definitely not an attention seeker.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70574 on: August 12, 2022, 07:54:19 pm »
At this point, I think any news about Tyson Fury (unless he has a proper fight) needs to go in the boxing circus thread.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70575 on: August 12, 2022, 10:27:45 pm »
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Eubank has Benn rattled already. It was too easy  ;D

By the way there is a rehydration clause. It was mentioned in the press conference.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70576 on: August 13, 2022, 03:05:26 pm »
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Tyson Fury has officially vacated his Ring Magazine Heavyweight title.

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The Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua rematch next Saturday could be for the belt. Usyk is currently #1 in the Ring rankings and Joshua is #2.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70577 on: August 15, 2022, 12:47:43 am »
Teofimo Lopez won his first bout at 140.

I had absolutely no idea he was even fighting until the fight had already started.

ESPN coverage was an absolute piss take - going on about how his loss to Kambosos was nothing in the grand scheme of things in his career.

Come on now ...

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70578 on: August 16, 2022, 05:17:19 pm »
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WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has declared that they've given Tyson Fury two weeks (until Aug 26th) to confirm his retirement in writing as a final decision. If he does this, they will then address the situation with the WBC Heavyweight world title.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70579 on: August 16, 2022, 07:29:07 pm »

Joyce v Parker might be for the belt.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70580 on: August 17, 2022, 06:32:29 pm »
Usyk v Joshua 2 this weekend lads. Final press conference has taken place today.


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70581 on: August 17, 2022, 07:34:23 pm »
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Deontay Wilder will return to the ring in a Heavyweight clash vs Robert Helenius on October 15th in New York.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70582 on: August 17, 2022, 07:39:49 pm »

Sorting out a payday for his mate there.

Mind you, if this hand injury is real, Helenius will win ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70583 on: August 17, 2022, 09:09:34 pm »
Usyk v Joshua 2 this weekend lads. Final press conference has taken place today.


Hard to see how big Uysk is there, given he has elected to dress like a Samurai. I've heard rumours that he would be as heavy as AJ, which seems incredibly unlikely, and also would be a bad move IMO.


Helenius is arse; he got KO'd by Gerald Washington and Duhaupas FFS. Mind you, if he gets out of round one, he'll outbox Windmill until slowing down and getting caught with one.

I saw pictures of Wilder recently and he looks like he has the legs of a Bantamweight.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70584 on: August 17, 2022, 09:26:35 pm »
Hard to see how big Uysk is there, given he has elected to dress like a Samurai. I've heard rumours that he would be as heavy as AJ, which seems incredibly unlikely, and also would be a bad move IMO.
Helenius is arse; he got KO'd by Gerald Washington and Duhaupas FFS. Mind you, if he gets out of round one, he'll outbox Windmill until slowing down and getting caught with one.

I saw pictures of Wilder recently and he looks like he has the legs of a Bantamweight.
Rumour was he'd put on 2 stone, which as you say would be a bad move. Maybe he's expecting AJ to come in and lean on him, but you'd think his footwork would be the best counter to that.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70585 on: August 17, 2022, 10:17:43 pm »
Usyk v Joshua 2 this weekend lads. Final press conference has taken place today.



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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70586 on: August 17, 2022, 10:41:57 pm »
After 10.30pm.

Not sure why you're asking it so early. No ones ever blown their load this early asking me.  ;D

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70587 on: August 17, 2022, 10:57:09 pm »
What time's the ring walk Samie ?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70588 on: August 17, 2022, 11:14:52 pm »
Wonder if AJ is going to try and take him out of there this time. He tried to box Usyk last time like an idiot. Thing is, AJ is looking kinda big too so got to wonder if he'll run out of steam.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70589 on: August 18, 2022, 12:19:04 am »
Wonder if AJ is going to try and take him out of there this time.

IF he does the most likely outcome is he gets stopped early - Usyk's just so much better than him
Joshua's only hope is to box behind his jab, tie him up, make it an awful fight and nick it with some dodgy Hearn backed judging


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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70590 on: August 18, 2022, 12:49:18 am »
I give AJ 5 rounds to stop Usyk before he takes over and UD's AJ.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70591 on: August 18, 2022, 12:50:49 am »
IF he does the most likely outcome is he gets stopped early - Usyk's just so much better than him
Joshua's only hope is to box behind his jab, tie him up, make it an awful fight and nick it with some dodgy Hearn backed judging

Nope, it's the opposite. He tries that and he loses badly again. He has to go for the kill from the start. It's Risk v Reward strategy but one he has to play.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70592 on: August 18, 2022, 01:01:09 am »
Really looking forward to this one. If the ring walk's at 11pm over here it means it'll be what 1am local time?

I wonder how they'll condition themselves for those hours, probably sleep through the day or something?

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70593 on: August 18, 2022, 08:21:27 am »
I think unless Usyk makes an uncharacteristic mistake he will stop AJ

If AJ thought just putting it on him would work he would have adjusted mid fight and done that. Usyk rocked his world in the 1st and 3rd round and that put AJ under manners. Usyk footwork is miles better than AJ's and his handspeed is quicker. Plus Usyk isn't a fat waste of space like Ruiz who acted like he didn't belong where he was. Usyk will be focussed.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70594 on: August 18, 2022, 08:37:40 am »
Hope Usyk puts Joshua on his arse.  Just never took the hype surrounding Joshua while he was fighting bums and dodging the proper fights.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70595 on: August 18, 2022, 08:42:36 am »
Hope Usyk puts Joshua on his arse.  Just never took the hype surrounding Joshua while he was fighting bums and dodging the proper fights.

I don't understand this narrative of 'fighting bums and dodging proper fights' . Joshua arguably has the best resume in the HW division today.

That being said, I again have Usyk taking a UD or late stoppage. Best bet is for Joshua to put educated pressure rather than simply 'sticking it on him' from the start focussing more on inside game rather than fencing. He needs to somewhat accept requirement to take a few to land a big one of his own.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70596 on: August 18, 2022, 08:43:15 am »
AJ's only chance is an early KO surely?

But going by the last fight that would be a mistake, barrelling in with powerful punches. Usyk will do the same I think and can go the distance like that too. Not sure how AJ wins this. And for the record I hope Usyk humbles him

Maybe keep Usyk at range, fight outside... try to last and win on points. I don't see that though
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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70597 on: August 18, 2022, 08:57:52 am »
I don't understand this narrative of 'fighting bums and dodging proper fights' . Joshua arguably has the best resume in the HW division today.

That being said, I again have Usyk taking a UD or late stoppage. Best bet is for Joshua to put educated pressure rather than simply 'sticking it on him' from the start focussing more on inside game rather than fencing. He needs to somewhat accept requirement to take a few to land a big one of his own.
He never fought Wilder or Fury so one can only assume he dodged them. There’s also his ridiculous comments at the BLM protests that put a lot of people off him. That aside, he just hasn’t lived up to the hype around his abilities.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70598 on: August 18, 2022, 09:07:13 am »
He never fought Wilder or Fury so one can only assume he dodged them. There’s also his ridiculous comments at the BLM protests that put a lot of people off him. That aside, he just hasn’t lived up to the hype around his abilities.
Wilder was the one who ducked AJ, he's admitted as much now.

Joshua has always been the one out of the 3 trying to make fights, and their respective CVs are the proof of that.

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Re: Boxing thread
« Reply #70599 on: August 18, 2022, 09:35:15 am »
As for the fight, people forget that although Usyk was the clear winner last time, it wasn't a landslide.  He basically needed to win 2 more rounds than he did, and with better advice from his corner, he might well have done that.  So, it's not impossible for him to take a similar approach to last time and still win the fight with some tweaks.

The other option is what people are expecting; that he bulks up and comes in ready for a war.  It would make for a better fight at least, and Usyk does get hit a lot, but he'd need to be really smart.  He showed in the fight against Wlad that he can box clever when he gets hurt and take a couple of rounds off to conserve his energy, but he also showed against Ruiz that he can get sucked in and blow himself up.

The other variable is what Usyk does.  There were rumours of him losing a lot of weight when he went back to Ukraine, now there are rumours of him coming in 2 stone heavier.  Is he going to come in and try to meet Joshua in the middle of the ring?  Seems like a ticket to uppercut city if you ask me.  I feel like Joshua is a better inside fighter so I just can't make sense of that as a strategy.  The weigh in for this one is going to be fascinating.

I still make Usyk the favourite, but there's so many different ways the fight could go and different routes to victory for both of them, so it will be interesting at least.  It will be good to see what difference Garcia makes, you could easily argue that McCracken lost that fight for AJ last time.