Topic: PL: Liverpool 3 v Brighton 3 Trossard 4', 17', 83', Bobby 33', 52', Webster 62'

[tubby]

Fuck knows what Salah was on.

He'd be done exactly the same way by the exact same player a few minutes earlier when he tried to press too.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Threw away an absolute gift. Can't fault Alisson as he kept us in it. I'd love for Klopp to explain why he brought Milner on for Tsimikas.

He just can't stop bringing Milner on.

[red1977]

Im wondering, why when we were playing the perfect attacking full back game, have we now gone to
Trent gets over the half way line and jogs in field? if there is something im missing with this fair enough, but shouldn't he be providing the overlap? because that doesn't happen anymore.

[HeartAndSoul]

Fuck knows what Salah was on.

Salah pressing by himself, Trent being skinned as usual, matip trying to play offside and VVD fucking up his clearance. Jesus Christ that’s bad. 

[Rosario]

This is their 3rd goal

https://twitter.com/northstandchat/status/1576253383253454848?s=46&t=yjw5JtSsTJpTkZeDvP1iPw

Lots of errors

If that doesn’t highlight how bad we’re collectively as a a team defensively right now nothing will. Players jogging around not tracking runners tight enough and individual errors littered in to top it off. Sad thing is this shit has been happening all season.

[Kundale]

I literally  said we need a fourth goal when we went 3-2 ahead. Especially after the subs came on I was convinced they'd score.

Before I would be very calm with a goal up, but these days even with 2 goals up I am not that confident.

[lollysportswasher]

We need to part the bus and just play on counter against both Arsenal and City, we cannot afford playing the high line against them. There is no shame, but right now we don't have what it takes to play our pressing game.

[jillcwhomever]

Well, loads of people wanted Trent further up the field. I always thought that would not be a good thing to do.

[Lynndenberries]

We need to part the bus and just play on counter against both Arsenal and City, we cannot afford playing the high line against them. There is no shame, but right now we don't have what it takes to play our pressing game.

Not sure we have the personnel to do that either.

[LiverBirdKop]

Genuinely never seen so a poor performance from Fabinho.

I have. Many times. He's clearly lost a step and he wasn't the paciest to begin with. Too many times do we see Hendo and Fab just jogging back to defend these days. Go by them once and they might as well walk to the sideline to hydrate.

[Butcher Knife Roberto]

Salah pressing by himself, Trent being skinned as usual, matip trying to play offside and VVD fucking up his clearance. Jesus Christ that’s bad. 

Milner also had no idea that Trossard had simply waltzed into the penalty area right behind him, and could pop the ball into the net unchallenged. Comically bad positional play as there was no direct threat in front of him so he should have seen who was coming in at the back post. It's why I'd rather see an U23 fullback getting a chance there than a slow, ageing Milner.

[tubby]

Well, loads of people wanted Trent further up the field. I always thought that would not be a good thing to do.

It'd be fine if he was playing up the field and not being asked to defend as a right back at the same time.  Either play him as a midfielder or get him out of that position, it's madness.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

What dies it matter? He's been sluggish & his touch is terrible. If you pay £80m for someone, I expect them to hit the ground running. There's a reason he's on the bench

On the other hand, if he isn't given chances to prove himself he'll always stay a prospect, which will hinder his confidence.

Before his red card, he was playing at a goal a game pace. Don't think he's been the problem here necessarily. The issue, if you could call it that, is the slot he's supposed to play in is taken by our top scorer this season. Diaz too, has played well, so it's not like taking him off for Darwin would help matters.

Think the criticism has been too harsh, the real issue I suspect is that most fans who speak out against Nunez has Haaland envy.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Klopp can't keep performing miracles. Eventually our net spend was going to catch us up. Milner and Henderson wouldn't get a game for Hull City at the moment and yet they are expected to be an integral part of a team challenging for a title??

[Reflexivity]

Fuck knows what Salah was on.

450 grand a fucking week I think.

[jillcwhomever]

It'd be fine if he was playing up the field and not being asked to defend as a right back at the same time.  Either play him as a midfielder or get him out of that position, it's madness.

I don't think him in midfield would work though. I actually agree with those who say now he has baulked up he's doesn't seem as quick. But playing him where he is at the moment, is clearly not working. We need to go back to basics.

[Nobby Reserve]

That extended training period wasn't much use, was it? The same failings over and over and over.

[tubby]

I don't think him in midfield would work though. I actually agree with those who say now he has baulked up he's doesn't seem as quick. But playing him where he is at the moment, is clearly not working. We need to go back to basics.

We don't know either way.  He's playing that stupid hybrid role right now.  Give him a go as a proper midfielder once Ramsay is up and running and see how it goes.  At the moment he's caught between two worlds.

[Son of Spion]

I may get flamed for this - but I felt that we were going to lose this game today. So, a draw is kind of a mixed feeling of being glad we did not to being annoyed about how we are playing.  There is something just not right at the moment and it is not just one reason. You cannot concede 3 goals at home and expect to win the game or the premiership!  We all have complained about the lack of investment in our midfield, but the defence and forward line are not functioning that well either!

Glad for Bobby Firmino today after all the criticism he has received. 

On the bright side, we are not out of the title race yet as this season is still young. Also, we are still in all the cups. So onwards and upwards.

I don't see why you would. I was too busy to see any of the game today other than some text commentary, but I also felt beforehand that we could easily lose today. We just haven't even woken up yet this season, and we seem compelled to start most games 0-1 down. I thought Brighton would be plucky and have a go, and against a side currently handing out goals like early Christmas presents, it had banana skin written all over it.

At one point I looked at the stats and Brighton had 70% possession and about three times the amount of passes as we had. This, at Anfield. 

For me, the biggest concern is that we haven't even played a top side yet, but we've dropped more points than we've won.

The title race? I think that's long gone. Yes, such a long way to go, but we've been awful up to now with no real signs of getting our act together from what I've seen. We're going to have to improve a lot to get top four.

[Butcher Knife Roberto]

I don't think him in midfield would work though. I actually agree with those who say now he has baulked up he's doesn't seem as quick. But playing him where he is at the moment, is clearly not working. We need to go back to basics.

He'd be a dream in a 3-5-2 though, absolutely perfect for that wing-back role. When Konate is back I'd love to see Klopp give it a try.

[elsewhere]

who the fck is Trossard ffs? Who was the last player  who scored a hat trick against us, Arshavin?

[lollysportswasher]

who the fck is Trossard ffs? Who was the last player  who scored a hat trick against us, Arshavin?

Trossard is Belgian international and been Brighton best attacker for a while now. Chelsea want him as their next Eden Hazard.

[StevoHimself]

Don't think so either,it'd be different if our problems could be pinpointed to a couple of players playing badly.

Hhhmm not sure about that.

The signing of 3 world-class players from January 2018 to the summer of 2018 took us from also-rans to the best team in Europe. Not saying that's necessarily the issue now, but great players arguably make better players of those around them.

[Xanderzone]

Henry and Werner get the fuck out of our club.

[4pool]

I see the Spanish Inquisition has started.





Oh well, should have held onto the lead at 3-2. Could have made it 4-2. Didn't and paid the price.

[lamad]

Depressing, but it's what we've got to work with for now. Trent is totally off form (strange positioning doesn't help), but I am willing to cut him some slack - he is 24 (in a week or so) and has consistently played on a high level and maybe a slump at one point has to be expected, most footballers go through that phase sometime in their career. The timing is just shit because there are so many other problems all over the pitch and defence in general is a liability at the moment.

And I am not happy with Nunez, not mainly because of his non impact so far and when he comes on in the 90th minute that is not his fault. But when he came on today he seemed... petulant? I don't know how to put it, I love when players have bite (Robertson and Jota are my favourites), but something seems off with Nunez. It might be our overall sort-of-crappy situation at the moment, but it's the first big signing of recent years that I have doubts about. Still early days though and I hope I will have to eat my words in the near future.

[newterp]

I don't see why you would. I was too busy to see any of the game today other than some text commentary, but I also felt beforehand that we could easily lose today. We just haven't even woken up yet this season, and we seem compelled to start most games 0-1 down. I thought Brighton would be plucky and have a go, and against a side currently handing out goals like early Christmas presents, it had banana skin written all over it.

At one point I looked at the stats and Brighton had 70% possession and about three times the amount of passes as we had. This, at Anfield. 

For me, the biggest concern is that we haven't even played a top side yet, but we've dropped more points than we've won.

The title race? I think that's long gone. Yes, such a long way to go, but we've been awful up to now with no real signs of getting our act together from what I've seen. We're going to have to improve a lot to get top four.

and it's usually down 1 goal in the first 15 mins of the game as well.

also - we can't/don't press anymore, our midfield is easily played through, and elementary 1-2's catch us out time and time and time again.

[Judge Red]

Fuck knows what Salah was on.

He got done twice like that by their grok

[Andy82lfc]

I may get flamed for this - but I felt that we were going to lose this game today.

[vicar]

Very frustrating to watch.
We give up some really good chances for opposition teams these days. Yes, Hendo should do better to clear the first and Trent makes a mistake for the second, but it feels like there is something structurally wrong to give so much space in front of the defence to allow them to turn us so often. That said at 3-2 the game should have been closed down, but we were still so open. Their third goal is a travesty of defending all over the pitch.

Even so I think they got the bounce of the ball, there were a number of times it just didn't break for us around their box. Im sure Trossard miss hits that third. Think he hit it into the ground. Bobbys header late on should have made it 4 too.

Ref was poor too. Matip was pulled down in the build up for their 1st and I dont think he even bothered to talk to their keeper about time wasting all game. Lost control at various points of the game. Shitshow all around really.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

This is their 3rd goal

https://twitter.com/northstandchat/status/1576253383253454848?s=46&t=yjw5JtSsTJpTkZeDvP1iPw

Lots of errors

Not too many errors imo, one conscious tactical choice and one error.. firstly far too easy to pick a pass for the opponents between the defensive and midfield lines, secondly Thiago's tracking was poor into the box, if he had gotten goalside he could have cut that out.

The second can happen from time to time.

The first is easily explained: the way we set-up, when facing the ball early in transition you end up Fabinho always deepest and loads of space to him on either side centrally, so when the opponents find space to pick that pass after bypassing the first wave of pressure (in this case their player taking Salah out of the game with a dummy) they have lots of space to target; the times Thiago does get back, he's usually a few feet off being able to prevent the pass in between the lines anyway due to his higher starting position earlier for that phase of play.
Elliot is completely out of the picture due to his even higher starting position wider right. This was a game wide issue and over the season really, it's a choice, it's helped in us turning some games round, pinning opponents back, but it can be played through as well.

It's structured to risk on us being able to win the ball in the first phase of the press and push up in possession, rather than having numbers for all game situations defensively.

[didi shamone]

Depressing, but it's what we've got to work with for now. Trent is totally off form (strange positioning doesn't help), but I am willing to cut him some slack - he is 24 (in a week or so) and has consistently played on a high level and maybe a slump at one point has to be expected, most footballers go through that phase sometime in their career. The timing is just shit because there are so many other problems all over the pitch and defence in general is a liability at the moment.

And I am not happy with Nunez, not mainly because of his non impact so far and when he comes on in the 90th minute that is not his fault. But when he came on today he seemed... petulant? I don't know how to put it, I love when players have bite (Robertson and Jota are my favourites), but something seems off with Nunez. It might be our overall sort-of-crappy situation at the moment, but it's the first big signing of recent years that I have doubts about. Still early days though and I hope I will have to eat my words in the near future.

Nunez was quite rightly petulant after getting  punished for a foul when the Brighton player threw himself to the ground. We were in a promising position. At least he looked like he gave a shit.

[red1977]

We don't know either way.  He's playing that stupid hybrid role right now.  Give him a go as a proper midfielder once Ramsay is up and running and see how it goes.  At the moment he's caught between two worlds.

It must be the elephant in the room for most of us watching, right??
Trent can dominate a flank, attacking wise certainly, best in the world. why is he coming in field all the time leaving Salah on his own to recieve a pass on the touch line. its weird and its not working.

[Xanderzone]

It's time for the American owners to sell the football club.

Or the last days of a once in a lifetime manager will fizzle out and the days of winning leagues and CLs will become a distant memory like they were before he arrived.

[naYoRHa2b]

Nunez was quite rightly petulant after getting  punished for a foul when the Brighton player threw himself to the ground. We were in a promising position. At least he looked like he gave a shit.

He's going to get punished all the time because he now is seen as a hothead. Doesn't even have to foul anyone. The narrative is set and he played his part.

[tubby]

It's time for the American owners to sell the football club.

Or the last days of a once in a lifetime manager will fizzle out and the days of winning leagues and CLs will become a distant memory like they were before he arrived.

Would you be ok with us being owned by an oil state?

[Samie]

Henry and Werner get the fuck out of our club.

Sure as soon as someone pays £3 billion and then agrees to spend their money without hoping to get it back.

[Fruity]

Wanted more signings as much as the next person but what we're seeing has fuck all to do with that.

If we had more signings Milner wouldn't be in Liverpool let alone the squad. He will be 37 in January and he somehow manages a regular place in our midfield or at Left back. There surely must be something better than him out there that wouldn't break the bank.

As someone else mentioned when we lost our centre backs a couple of years ago the whole team was affected. Attack went to shit because midfield went to shit because defence had gone to shit. We lost 6 games in a row and just about managed top 4.

Liverpool during the 80's was always improving the squad, sometimes even getting rid of or losing players in their prime. We always evolved and always kept a decent spine. We are just letting the spine age and updating bits of the fringe around it every now and again and we have been doing that for a while.

Towards the end of last season we were running on fumes but we could have won the lot. We really should have invested more in the summer.
I think this season will be like the one a couple of years back but more of a struggle as teams around us seem to have got better.

[newterp]

Henry and Werner get the fuck out of our club.

are you 12? or younger?

grow up.

[Schmidt]

That result has fucked me off more than any this season, purely because we had the lead and threw it away with those fucking atrocious substitutions.