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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #480 on: August 13, 2022, 05:29:06 pm »
if you want trams anyway may I suggest Sheffield?

their service is lovely, great - Manchester don't come into it (as in music, as in life)

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #481 on: August 14, 2022, 03:45:28 pm »
if you want trams anyway may I suggest Sheffield?

their service is lovely, great - Manchester don't come into it (as in music, as in life)
Sheffield had a brilliant public transport system in the 1970s. They used buses. The keys to their success were that fares were heavily subsidised (dirt cheap in fact), they were very frequent (you never needed a timetable) and the routes ran around the city as well as in and out of the centre. They didn't need any special infrastructure and if a road was blocked, the buses were easily diverted. They were so good that it really wasn't worth using a car most of the time.
The new tram system may run efficiently but I'd wager they're not cheap and based on my last visit, the number of cars parked and on the roads has grown exponentially.

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #482 on: August 14, 2022, 03:50:10 pm »
Manchester trams are frequent and even reliable but they're still by and large bloody awful, crammed, violent, stuffed with idiots, nothing to envy

I've lived in Manchester since last Sept (and have used them for 5yrs prior as my gf's from this way), live maybe 100m from a met station, and use them 3 or 4 times a week... they are amazing IMO.

Sure at busy periods they can be packed, but in general they are really regular, clean, relatively quiet, cheap, and pretty fast and efficient. Never seen any issue on them at all, and I'd imagine are as safe for that as any other form of public transport.

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #483 on: August 14, 2022, 07:35:04 pm »
Public transport in Liverpool is chaotic. It could definitely benefit from a tram system. Hell I even think there's a business case for a new elevated metro following close to the Overhead Railway route.

The old dock system up by Herculaneum is full of houses and poorly served by public transport. There's only really the 500 bus that runs along the dockside road, and Brunswick station isn't necessarily handy for everyone. It's perfect for an elevated metro with stops relatively close together. Being raised, it wouldn't interfere with the road system, and would be a quick and convenient way into the city centre. It could descend to street level around Stanley Dock to serve the Vauxhall area, with maybe a terminus and depot located near to Sandhills.

But then as I said in the Merseyrail thread, it's taken them 50 years to build Headbolt Lane station. And Southparkway was 30 years late and built in the wrong place. The city is run by cabbages.

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #484 on: August 14, 2022, 07:38:10 pm »
Public transport in Liverpool is chaotic. It could definitely benefit from a tram system. Hell I even think there's a business case for a new elevated metro following close to the Overhead Railway route.

The old dock system up by Herculaneum is full of houses and poorly served by public transport. There's only really the 500 bus that runs along the dockside road, and Brunswick station isn't necessarily handy for everyone. It's perfect for an elevated metro with stops relatively close together. Being raised, it wouldn't interfere with the road system, and would be a quick and convenient way into the city centre. It could descend to street level around Stanley Dock to serve the Vauxhall area, with maybe a terminus and depot located near to Sandhills.

But then as I said in the Merseyrail thread, it's taken them 50 years to build Headbolt Lane station. And Southparkway was 30 years late and built in the wrong place. The city is run by cabbages.

Have the City Council any say in where South Parway was built? Thought that would Betwirk Rail or one of its predecessors.

But yes, the City is run by cabbages of either Labour or Lib Dem variety.

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #485 on: August 14, 2022, 07:45:16 pm »
Have the City Council any say in where South Parway was built? Thought that would Betwirk Rail or one of its predecessors.

But yes, the City is run by cabbages of either Labour or Lib Dem variety.

The station was built by Merseytravel, but one would assume the council would have had some input on some level. My main point was just to illustrate the general incompetence of anyone in charge of anything in the city.
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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #486 on: August 14, 2022, 10:43:47 pm »
The station was built by Merseytravel, but one would assume the council would have had some input on some level. My main point was just to illustrate the general incompetence of anyone in charge of anything in the city.

As I agreed with.

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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #487 on: August 15, 2022, 10:06:41 am »
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Re: Liverpool City Council
« Reply #488 on: August 15, 2022, 10:15:20 am »
Trams we should have kept, but having lived in work for Manchester for a bit

No, it's a shithole - don't envy it . I wish Liverpool had a more socialist handle on transport (happy for our Merseyrail guys to strike) but take it from me , Manchester trams are frequent and even reliable but they're still by and large bloody awful, crammed, violent, stuffed with idiots, nothing to envy

Yet another Manchester idea that "on paper - sound"

Liverpool trams way back before I existed, now that was a sad loss - would love them back, but here's the key bit - run with competence and consideration

Copy Manchester? No thank you. If we ever do this again, let's do our own way.

I'd take a monorail, anythin - one of the best cities in the world and it feels transport-wise like, if anything, a regression

Go to Portugal and it's vaguely third-world but the underground stations have water flooding out in the morning to clean the platform - yet again, us, you, we, are gettin fucked over

So I don't envy Manchester,  but I do envy other cities and places - which is very sad.

I think that is a bit harsh.

Used to spend a lot of time in Manchester and I've never seen major issues with business or violence. Maybe certain times of day, or certain areas of the city but that is hardly a fault of the tram network itself on the violence issue (and on over filling you could argue they should have longer trams but also people could just be patient and wait 10 mins)

It speaks to greater societal issues - being the need for people to behave in that manner, to intimidate others, to take their issues out on the world. You need to help solve the wider issue with greater social funding and removing disadvantages but also ensure sufficient staffing on trains in terms of guards etc.

The principle of the network and how it extends so far into the suburbs are surely an overall net positive