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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2009, 09:25:08 am »
He was nearly as good as Souness (and that is a compliment!).

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2009, 09:27:08 am »
Gerrard better than Dalglish?
No.

Here's a documentary from 1986 that gives a nice summary and shows you a lot of the main highlights. It commemorated his 100th cap.

http://rawk.impulsed.net/Kenny_Portrait_of_a_Natural_Footballer.wmv

I was at that game, it absolutely pissed down all night.  I remember the whole of Hampden urging him to score and we were almost disappointed when the ball went in the net and it wasn't Kenny's goal.

Great video that, it brings back some memories.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2009, 09:44:38 am »
It's said that the very, very best Chess players see the board and pieces differently from even the top Grandmasters, and it's the same with Kenny and football. There were, even in the same team, those that were stronger, could pass as well or better, finish better etc. He didn't have great pace, and rarely dribbled past a man. His technique was excellent, of course, but shielding the ball was maybe the only skill that none of his contemporaries could match him at.

But in terms of vision and game intelligence, he was light years ahead of anyone. He saw space, runs and angles that others couldn't comprehend. See the pass round the defender to Rush against Watford - you just know that he knew where he was going to put that even as the ball was being played into him at the half-way line with a defender behind him.

There was a fantastic goal at Southampton - a late 3-2 winner iirc - where he dillied and dallied, back to goal just outside the area on the right-hand side. No-one dared try to take it off him, but he was going nowhere. after what seemed ages, he turned and wastefully knocked it for a goal-kick over the far side of the crowded penalty area....except that while he'd been shielding the ball, Ronnie Whelan (and Dalglish needed intelligent players like Rush and Whelan around him) had gone on a long, looping run from somewhere near the Half Way line, round the back of the marshalled defence, arriving at the far post to knock it in, without even breaking his stride. And Kenny had seen that run, I'm sure.

On a recent non-LFC poscast, a Manc statistician casually used the analogy that being on the back row of the Nou Camp made him feel 'like Kenny Dalglish' - it didn't need explaining, because it was obvious, Kenny appeared to have access to a 'helicopter view' of the game even as he played it.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2009, 10:15:15 am »

I almost forgot how bad were the pitches back then ...

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2009, 10:22:28 am »
The best - end of.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2009, 10:26:12 am »
Only got to see the footage of Dalglish, but to me a more intelligent player than Gerrard. In today's "specialist" game Gerrard can do a job of many, yet when I step on a pitch myself I'd wish I could play like Kenny. 
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2009, 10:41:58 am »
I remember after the European Cup Final in 1977 that it became apparent that Kevin Keegan was leaving the club ... nightmare ... how would we cope ..... ?!!

Then we signed a Scot from Glasgow Celtic for a paltry sum of £440.000 ..... Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish ..... the rest is history

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2009, 10:57:15 am »
It's said that the very, very best Chess players see the board and pieces differently from even the top Grandmasters, and it's the same with Kenny and football. There were, even in the same team, those that were stronger, could pass as well or better, finish better etc. He didn't have great pace, and rarely dribbled past a man. His technique was excellent, of course, but shielding the ball was maybe the only skill that none of his contemporaries could match him at.

But in terms of vision and game intelligence, he was light years ahead of anyone. He saw space, runs and angles that others couldn't comprehend. See the pass round the defender to Rush against Watford - you just know that he knew where he was going to put that even as the ball was being played into him at the half-way line with a defender behind him.

There was a fantastic goal at Southampton - a late 3-2 winner iirc - where he dillied and dallied, back to goal just outside the area on the right-hand side. No-one dared try to take it off him, but he was going nowhere. after what seemed ages, he turned and wastefully knocked it for a goal-kick over the far side of the crowded penalty area....except that while he'd been shielding the ball, Ronnie Whelan (and Dalglish needed intelligent players like Rush and Whelan around him) had gone on a long, looping run from somewhere near the Half Way line, round the back of the marshalled defence, arriving at the far post to knock it in, without even breaking his stride. And Kenny had seen that run, I'm sure.

On a recent non-LFC poscast, a Manc statistician casually used the analogy that being on the back row of the Nou Camp made him feel 'like Kenny Dalglish' - it didn't need explaining, because it was obvious, Kenny appeared to have access to a 'helicopter view' of the game even as he played it.

A genius, pure and simple.


Brilliant post. The Japanese Zen tradition has a masonry art that's effectively 'boulder breaking'. The master looks at a boulder, seemingly unbreakable, and with experience becomes able to identify the one weak spot in the rock's grain, and with one blow of a sledgehammer, is able to split the rock in two.

It's a bit wanky this, but that's the kind of vision he'd display in an instant. That Phil Neal goal after his back heel's a good example, but he'd do that every single week. The play would be unfolding and everybody watching would think they saw the pattern, and then Kenny in one move would cut against that grain and unlock everything. 

As for 'typical goal', he scored all kinds of goals. One of the most important goals he ever scored at Anfield was in the 1977 World Cup qualifying decider against Wales - a flashing header from a bulleted cross. He scored from corner kicks, he scored poacher's dinks, he scored volleys, and he scored sumptuous chips. Paul Cooper probably still has nightmares about being chipped by Kenny. :)

All that despite being kicked up and down tattie field pitches for two decades. He was never injured. He was always a leader and an example for everyone to follow. He grafted his arse off for whichever side he played for (and he did it for his country too, despite what anyone says).

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2009, 11:03:44 am »
How about taking 'investing in youth' a stage further and invest in cloning - like the Boys from Brazil but done in a good way?
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2009, 11:12:59 am »
The older I get, the more thankful I get that I actually got to stand on the kop and watch the man!

Our kids might say the same about Stevie but the fact that my mates lad became an adult last week and has STILL not seen Liverpool win the league devastates me...Not taking anything away from Rafa, because I love the man!...But If King Kenny comes back, the title will come back.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2009, 11:20:22 am »
Was he better than Liddel?

Hard to say isn't it, because of severe lack of tv coverage. But I'd bet my soon to be repossessed house that he was!

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2009, 11:21:37 am »
Brilliant post. The Japanese Zen tradition has a masonry art that's effectively 'boulder breaking'.

Er... the Zen tradition is a monastic tradition. No masons there.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2009, 11:23:38 am »
As an individual a top player but even more importantly he was up there with the likes of Pele and Maradona in the way he improved the players around him by 10 or 15% every game. I remember Paisley saying he did the other players thinking for them. They ended up making runs they would of never made because Kenny put the ball there.

The likes of Hansen, Souness , Rushie, Terry Mac and the like were the Orchestra. Kenny was the Conductor.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2009, 11:27:09 am »
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2009, 11:42:27 am »
Kennys name was even sang in hushed tones, tells you what you need to know.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2009, 12:47:47 pm »
This thread angers me that a "so-called liverpool supporter" can even question dalglish's ability , ok he or she said there only 17 well i didn't see pele play but i know he was a great player , i didn't see bobby moore or george best play but i know these were great players ,


same goes for kenny dalglish he is mentioned virtually all the time as our greatest player so if that is not enough to let you know he was the best what does .

This is one of the reasons we put up with ordinary players getting called " great world class ETC because of daft threads like this .

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2009, 01:01:57 pm »
Kennys name was even sang in hushed tones, tells you what you need to know.

that even back then the atmosphere was crap?
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2009, 01:10:05 pm »
Er... the Zen tradition is a monastic tradition. No masons there.

Nope. Monasteries happens to be a place where people practice Zen. As are martial arts dojos, calligraphy classes, and gardens (where people sometimes need to bust up boulders, especially in Japan). As are football fields for some. Zen's just a name for a method that takes you to a new level of awareness. Some people have that naturally, or something approaching it, and for me, Kenny's one of those special few. You only need to look at the way he conducts his life - he's as much of a spiritual leader for many people as he is a footballing idol. 

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2009, 01:27:03 pm »
...and an arse like David Batty and he knew how to use it.

An arse like Nora Batty more like it!!  ;D

Seriously the very best I have ever had the privileged to watch.  Yes Souness was great, yes he had vision, yes he had a shot like a thunderbolt but Kenny just had "magic".

Kenny also truly loves this club as much as we love him, just listen to him speak about Liverpool.  The best, end of.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2009, 01:47:57 pm »
I think people are confusing silky skills with overall natural footballing ability. Did have as many tricks as Maradona (or even Ronaldo for that matter)? No. Could he go past people with the ease of Barnes or Best? No. But then did any of those have the professionalism, determination, vision or ability to play a killer pass that Kenny had? No.

It's all about opinions, and mine is that Maradona is the greatest player ever. Kenny makes my top 10 along with the likes of Pele, Zidane and Cruyff...but it's almost impossible to try and put them in any kind of order.

What can't be argued is that, on top of his playing and managerial ability, his dignity and compassion in the wake of Hillsborough makes him a true Liverpool legend and that's all that matters.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2009, 01:54:57 pm »
I think people are confusing silky skills with overall natural footballing ability. Did have as many tricks as Maradona (or even Ronaldo for that matter)? No. Could he go past people with the ease of Barnes or Best? No. But then did any of those have the professionalism, determination, vision or ability to play a killer pass that Kenny had? No.
Maybe Maradona if you take out the professionalism. He was a fucking tough, determined boy, El Diego and his off the pitch coking and whoring didn't badly effect his game in the early years.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2009, 02:13:01 pm »
I didn't hear about Liverpool until '89 so I missed out on King Kenny's playing days. I've seen youtube footage and doco's and wow what a player I can see why he's considered our best ever player.

In regards to the nasty bastard comment what did he do to warrant that comment?

What (I believe) Terry essentially means mate is that Kenny could give as good as he got but he
was by no means a dirty player. He could put himself about as well as anyone for the team.


That's exactly what I meant.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2009, 02:24:11 pm »
that even back then the atmosphere was crap?
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2009, 03:15:32 pm »
And could he play!
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2009, 03:31:23 pm »
That's exactly what I meant.

aye, Souness when asked who the hardest player in the game was, said Kenny. nobody took more punishment on the field and was capable of brushing off the hardest defenders with ease. hard as nails.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2009, 04:43:37 pm »
This thread angers me that a "so-called liverpool supporter" can even question dalglish's ability , ok he or she said there only 17 well i didn't see pele play but i know he was a great player , i didn't see bobby moore or george best play but i know these were great players ,


same goes for kenny dalglish he is mentioned virtually all the time as our greatest player so if that is not enough to let you know he was the best what does .

This is one of the reasons we put up with ordinary players getting called " great world class ETC because of daft threads like this .

A quick glance at my name should tell you where my football aligences lie. In my time on RAWK I have never said I was a Liverpool fan. Also, I never said Kenny wasn't great, I just wanted to gain some insight into his playing career from posters old enoguh to have seen him. All if thats ok with you of course.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2009, 04:44:48 pm »
A quick glance at my name should tell you where my football aligences lie. In my time on RAWK I have never said I was a Liverpool fan. Also, I never said Kenny wasn't great, I just wanted to gain some insight into his playing career from posters old enoguh to have seen him. All if thats ok with you of course.


just out of interest. why post on another clubs forum?
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #107 on: April 23, 2009, 04:48:09 pm »
just out of interest. why post on another clubs forum?

Browsed around here alot last year, thought there was some good threads with a lot of well thought out replies and some good discussion going on.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #108 on: April 23, 2009, 04:49:23 pm »

just out of interest. why post on another clubs forum?

Because he respects us and likes our banter I suppose.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #109 on: April 23, 2009, 04:49:43 pm »
A quick glance at my name should tell you where my football aligences lie. In my time on RAWK I have never said I was a Liverpool fan. Also, I never said Kenny wasn't great, I just wanted to gain some insight into his playing career from posters old enoguh to have seen him. All if thats ok with you of course.

Ignore him lad, he's a bitter tart who isjust trying to find any opportunity to bash Mascherano.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #110 on: April 23, 2009, 04:54:01 pm »
What can't be argued is that, on top of his playing and managerial ability, his dignity and compassion in the wake of Hillsborough makes him a true Liverpool legend and that's all that matters.

^^^ And that is what elevates him even higher than his achievments and the beauty and brilliance of his game for us, and always will. He lived through and supported us in the tragic times as well as creating the glory for us.

There was something swashbuckling and romantic about him as player manager. Imagine Rafa coming on in the second half and tempering our play. It was everything, player, captain, manager.......and comforter. He never let us down, he was always there for us. I said it before, he is the living, human embodiment of Liverpool FC for all opf these reasons.



 

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #111 on: April 23, 2009, 04:56:18 pm »

just out of interest. why post on another clubs forum?
That's just like saying, why bother supporting Liverpool when you're from London? Which incidentally, I would never ask that.

One of things that makes this site interesting, is to read other clubs fans opinions.
As long as they don't chat shit, as we have enough of our own who do that.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #112 on: April 23, 2009, 04:58:23 pm »
He was fat, Scottish, couldn't run for toffee, had an awful smile if and when he scored and as Malcolm Allison once said, probably the luckiest player on the planet.
Apart from that he was alright...I suppose.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #113 on: April 23, 2009, 05:01:49 pm »
That's just like saying, why bother supporting Liverpool when you're from London?


umm. it's really not.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #114 on: April 23, 2009, 05:04:45 pm »

umm. it's really not.
Umm.. Really it is.

You questioned somebody who comes on here and posts some good stuff.
I haven't got a problem with anyone who does that, no matter what team they follow.

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #115 on: April 23, 2009, 05:06:14 pm »
Umm.. Really it is.

You questioned somebody who comes on here and posts some good stuff.
I haven't got a problem with anyone who does that, no matter what team they follow.

it isnt.

anyway, havent got a problem with it either. was just wondering.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2009, 05:07:28 pm »
it isnt.

It is..
anyway, havent got a problem with it either. was just wondering.

Good..

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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2009, 05:08:49 pm »
phew. thank fuck i got your approval!
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2009, 05:11:49 pm »
Best player the UK has ever produced was King Kenny. He was and will always be my hero. In fact to all Scots my age the bloke is an absolute legend of no equal (especially compared to players north of the border, we dont make many greats but we sure made an absolute cracker in his case, easily the best Scottish player ever and IMO the best the UK has ever produced)

Best was good but failed to achieve his full potential.
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Re: Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2009, 05:11:56 pm »
phew. thank fuck i got your approval!
and thank fuck you chose red as your favorite colour.   ::)

So then, "Just how good was Kenny Dalglish?"