Topic: Trouble across the UK after Southport stabbings

[Nick110581]

Probably that it was a set up and he was in on it all along to make them look good by saving the day or some such nonsense 🤷

The cranks are already starting with that.

Then Tommy Ten Names apologising for posting something from a fake account. Thought he was a real journalist. 😂

[reddebs]

The cranks are already starting with that.

Then Tommy Ten Names apologising for posting something from a fake account. Thought he was a real journalist. 😂

They're so predictable Nick 😁

[Nick110581]

They're so predictable Nick 😁

I have to resist looking at Robinson's feed as you can't actually work out who are bots and who are real.

It is a binfire.

[afc tukrish]

I have to resist looking at Robinson's feed as you can't actually work out who are bots and who are real.

It is a binfire.

A botfire, perhaps...

[reddebs]

I have to resist looking at Robinson's feed as you can't actually work out who are bots and who are real.

It is a binfire.

I don't follow, watch or listen to any stuff like that mate.  I don't even watch any news or current affairs programmes or read a paper or any online media sites.

The only stuff I do see is on Facebook when my "friends" post/share crap they follow which is when I block them and report the posts.

I'm 64yrs old and I've too little time left to witness or put up with any type of shit anymore.

[Red Beret]

I'm really glad I'm not hooked into any kind of political pages on FB, and that I use Fluff Buster to cut out most of the crap, at least on my laptop.

[TSC]

It's not going to be easy passing legislation to regulate a social media platform that isn't even based in the UK, but yeah, the government has been nice enough towards Meta and they've got nothing in return. The likes of Zuckerberg and Musk don't give a crap what cesspools they make because the bottom line is all that matters to them.

As with a lot of social media, it's the advertisers that are key.

Story in the guardian has some ex Twitter exec (Bruce Daisley) saying Musk may face an arrest warrant for stirring the shit pot and instigating public & political unrest.

Same article states Labour politicians are quitting ‘X’ completely and moving to threads (one of Zuckerberg’s platforms) instead, saying Musk’s platform was now for foreign adversaries and far right fringe groups.

[Red Beret]

Yeah, I saw the thing about Labour MPs quitting X. Facebook can be a craphole, but I imagine Threads is at least better managed than X is now.

[Red Beret]

32 months for this prize idiot.

[Son of Spion]

Can you imagine living 69 years and still being that stupid. 

[reddebs]

All the great British pride and gloating about defeating Hitler's Nazis 85yrs ago just to become Nazis themselves.

What was the point?

We could have saved millions of lives, billions of pounds and most of our fabulous cities by just opening the borders and letting him in 🤷

[Son of Spion]

^
The thing is, they don't even realise what they are. Far-right thinking has become so mainstream that they don't see themselves as extremists now. They see themselves as reasonable and correct.

[Red Beret]

All the great British pride and gloating about defeating Hitler's Nazis 85yrs ago just to become Nazis themselves.

What was the point?

We could have saved millions of lives, billions of pounds and most of our fabulous cities by just opening the borders and letting him in 🤷

Yeah, but we wanted control of our borders!

[LuverlyRita]

All the great British pride and gloating about defeating Hitler's Nazis 85yrs ago just to become Nazis themselves.

What was the point?

We could have saved millions of lives, billions of pounds and most of our fabulous cities by just opening the borders and letting him in 🤷

The most important reason for studying history is that we learn lessons from it. Sadly too many people either lack the self awareness to recognise, or refuse to acknowledge, that their own patterns of behaviour mirror closely those of the fascists in Germany during the 1930s.

[Son of Spion]

The most important reason for studying history is that we learn lessons from it. Sadly too many people either lack the self awareness to recognise, or refuse to acknowledge, that their own patterns of behaviour mirror closely those of the fascists in Germany during the 1930s.

Something I've learned over the years is that we generally do not learn from history. It's a bit like how children / adolescents often take no notice of the life experience of their parents, but are compelled to make their own mistakes. I remember ignoring advice from my parents and being hell bent on doing things my own way, even if it got me into trouble.

New generations are, I think, very similar in that they always think they know best, so will have to learn from their own mistakes. Basically, this means that society often tends to make the same mistakes over and over again and doesn't learn particularly well from history.

Individuals often grow up, but society rarely does.

Currently, we are seeing the world sliding into a similar mindset to 1930s Germany, but rather than this raising a vigorously waved red flag, it seems to be embraced as the way forward by big swathes of the population and politicians.

[reddebs]

^
The thing is, they don't even realise what they are. Far-right thinking has become so mainstream that they don't see themselves as extremists now. They see themselves as reasonable and correct.

I think a lot of them have always had those views but were careful about who they used racist language around so it's definitely become more mainstream during the last 10yrs or so.

Yeah, but we wanted control of our borders!

Yeah good one mate but only to those who we deemed acceptable or didn't use any resources 👍

The most important reason for studying history is that we learn lessons from it. Sadly too many people either lack the self awareness to recognise, or refuse to acknowledge, that their own patterns of behaviour mirror closely those of the fascists in Germany during the 1930s.

They wouldn't understand if you tried explaining it to them anyway.

[Son of Spion]

I think a lot of them have always had those views but were careful about who they used racist language around so it's definitely become more mainstream during the last 10yrs or so...

Such thinking appeals to the weak minded, the lazy and the fearful. It appeals to people who need to scapegoat others rather than look at themselves. It also appeals to those who value economics over human beings. Basically, people who lack empathic understanding and who are, at heart, selfish.

There are a lot of such people about. They've often had to keep their prejudice and lack of awareness to themselves, but for quite some time now they've become emboldened by the likes of the Tories, Trump, Frottage etc making reprehensible politics mainstream. Every bigot with a peabrain now feels free to broadcast their small-minded poison far and wide. If the one time President of the USA can act like a childish sociopath, why not them too? The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they believe it's the doctors who are now ill.

[Red Beret]

The only people studying history seems to be the ones trying to learn how to hijack the system effectively. All they're doing is trying to figure out what went wrong during the previous attempts.

[reddebs]

Such thinking appeals to the weak minded, the lazy and the fearful. It appeals to people who need to scapegoat others rather than look at themselves. It also appeals to those who value economics over human beings. Basically, people who lack empathic understanding and who are, at heart, selfish.

There are a lot of such people about. They've often had to keep their prejudice and lack of awareness to themselves, but for quite some time now they've become emboldened by the likes of the Tories, Trump, Frottage etc making reprehensible politics mainstream. Every bigot with a peabrain now feels free to broadcast their small-minded poison far and wide. If the one time President of the USA can act like a childish sociopath, why not them too? The lunatics have taken over the asylum, and they believe it's the doctors who are now ill.

Yeah that's definitely emboldened them. 

I'm curious as to how the language will have changed when I go to Barnsley in a few weeks now some of them have been sent down for the attack on the Holiday Inn. 

Having said that they'll most likely blame the violence rather than the racism behind it.

[Andy82lfc]

All the great British pride and gloating about defeating Hitler's Nazis 85yrs ago just to become Nazis themselves.

What was the point?

We could have saved millions of lives, billions of pounds and most of our fabulous cities by just opening the borders and letting him in 🤷

Seen as the Nazi's started the autobahn system at least we wouldn't have had to put up with any of this smart motorway bullshit. Get that on the ticket!

[KurtVerbose]

This is good for a larf.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A</a>

Well, she pled guilty. Sentencing in September.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thug-who-feebly-shoved-huge-33432859

Police learned she had tried to buy a balaclava from the post office earlier. In mitigation, the court heard she has “mental health difficulties exacerbated by alcohol problems” and was “ashamed of her actions”.

Hodgson has six previous convictions for 11 offences, including in July 2023 for failing to provide a specimen. Most convictions are for driving offences, the court hears. She has a conviction for battery.

According to the defence, the term “Black c***”, which Hodgson said to the officer, referred to his uniform and was not racial.

That excuse has to be up there with the 'healing stone' one tw@ had in his pocket.

[Qston]

The idiot who 'went shopping' in his St George's flag shirt, and then decided to beat up a car, has plead guilty and is sentenced this Friday. He offered his signature to staff at the jail because of his infamy - as if that is some sort of mark of brilliance. Brain cell deficit.

[Gerry Attrick]

Seeing prison sentences doled out day by day is quite pleasant. Made all the tough Neanderthals crawl back under their rocks quick sharp.

[KurtVerbose]

They've all showed contrition and begged for mercy. Not one of them has stood up for the 'principles' on which they were protesting rioting.

[Barneylfc∗]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578

Judge Robert Linford then rounded on Cann telling him that according to his police interview he discussed with them "about the better use of taxpayers' money and why people were having to pay to keep these people in this country after committing such heinous crimes."

Judge Linford then launched a stinging rebuke to Cann saying: "So let's look at how the taxpayer have been funding your activities over the last 38 years - let's see what you've cost the country: you've got 10 aliases, four fictitious birth dates, you're 51 years of age, you've been convicted of 170 offences, you been convicted of theft, arson, taking cars, handling stolen goods, obtaining by deception, burglary, dangerous driving and possessing bladed articles. In all over the years that you've been visiting the criminal justice system you've received sentences totalling 357 months in prison, many of them concurrent.

In other words, nearly 30 years. That Mr Cann is what you've been costing this country and you sit there in that interview and saw fit to be critical of others. You have no right whatever to say who should or should not be in this country."

 

[Qston]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578

 

That's brilliant

[redgriffin73]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578

 

Fantastic stuff from the judge!

[John C]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578

 

Hahahahahah superb

[Red Beret]

GET THE FUCK IN!

[Yorkykopite]

They've all showed contrition and begged for mercy. Not one of them has stood up for the 'principles' on which they were protesting rioting.

Yes, interesting observation. Not a single martyr for a cause among them.

[reddebs]

As Paul said, it's their right to break whatever laws they want to and not be punished but nobody else has the right to cause then any grief.

[stoa]

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578

 

To be honest, I find it quite shocking that a guy like that is still allowed to roam the streets. I fully believe that people deserve a chance to become a part of society again after they have committed a crime and been punished for it. However, a guy who is 51 years old, has 170 offences including arson, theft and burglary and has been sentenced to almost 30 years in total, should definitely be in prison in my view (and not knowing his whole history).

[redgriffin73]

They've all showed contrition and begged for mercy. Not one of them has stood up for the 'principles' on which they were protesting rioting.

Similarly, all of them trying to hide their identity amuses me. Stand up for what you claim to believe in and be proud of it instead of hiding behind a balaclava!

[Qston]

I am not massively comfortable with the woman from Cheshire who is 53 getting 15 months for a post on facebook. The post was despicable but the judge accepted it wasn`t intended to mean that people should do anything and that it was a essentially a 'one off'. She has never been in trouble before and is primary care giver for her husband.

Now don`t get me wrong, clearly people should face consequences, but a woman showing genuine contrition who did something in a moment of madness on a local facebook group used for neighbourhood alerts and lost property etc probably shouldn`t be banged up. Some sort of community sentence would in my view be more appropriate.  In any other set of circumstances, I would be shocked if someone in her position was imprisoned in similar circumstances.

Just getting a touch uncomfortable with some of this sentencing. It has clearly worked and the message has been driven home, but I am concerned that it starts to get undermined.

I do appreciate that not everyone will share this view.

edit - link to BBC feed here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czdpnn88n2pt

[Lisan Al Gaib]

I'm entirely comfortable with people writing that they want mosques to be blown up with people in them getting prison time. It wasn't a moment of madness it was a racist hate crime that endorsed the murder or innocent people.

[Son of Spion]

It blows the idea that these 'protests' were by decent, concerned, law-abiding citizens right out of the water.

Now I'm sure there were good people in their number who behaved like civilised human beings, but the 'protests' were organized by politically motivated racists and the bigots who were agitating for violence and chaos. If we look at those arrested, how many have been decent people who have 'had enough'? Well, I'm not seeing any. They've pretty much all been thieves, burglars, spouse beaters, petty criminals, street hooligans and suchlike.

The narrative that it was just ordinary, decent Britons who have had enough has been shown up for the lie it is. Basically, the whole sorry mess was the hijacking of a tragedy by political agitators who manipulated and mobilised the stupid and the criminally minded to undermine the stability of our country.

What we saw was mindless criminality, under the guise of 'taking our country back'. Presumably one looted mobile phone, one vape and one Greggs pasty at a time.

[Terry de Niro]

I am not massively comfortable with the woman from Cheshire who is 53 getting 15 months for a post on facebook. The post was despicable but the judge accepted it wasn`t intended to mean that people should do anything and that it was a essentially a 'one off'. She has never been in trouble before and is primary care giver for her husband.

Now don`t get me wrong, clearly people should face consequences, but a woman showing genuine contrition who did something in a moment of madness on a local facebook group used for neighbourhood alerts and lost property etc probably shouldn`t be banged up. Some sort of community sentence would in my view be more appropriate.  In any other set of circumstances, I would be shocked if someone in her position was imprisoned in similar circumstances.

Just getting a touch uncomfortable with some of this sentencing. It has clearly worked and the message has been driven home, but I am concerned that it starts to get undermined.

I do appreciate that not everyone will share this view.

edit - link to BBC feed here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czdpnn88n2pt

Call me heartless, but fuck her.

Julie Sweeney posted a messaged suggesting to "blow up a mosque with adults inside".

It will teach her or any other c*nt to think about what they put out on social media and the like.

[Terry de Niro]

I'm entirely comfortable with people writing that they want mosques to be blown up with people in them getting prison time. It wasn't a moment of madness it was a racist hate crime that endorsed the murder or innocent people.

Exactly.

[Qston]

Hmm. I don`t really disagree with what you're all saying as such, but a custodial sentence isn`t always the answer. What she wrote is utterly horrendous, and clearly she is a racist - otherwise why even type that - but I am just not sure a custodial sentence is appropriate. She could perhaps give back to her local community or perhaps be ordered to do community service at a local mosque ?

I am just thinking back to the Imam at the mosque in Liverpool who chatted with protestors with a cup of tea and has got a long way with them in doing that. Surely education and discussion is the answer ?

[Red Beret]

Thing is, I'm not sure any of these people are really contrite. They're just shit scared for their own well being. Contrition comes from a shift in your perception. It's not enough to accept you were wrong - you have to understand the why. It's about learning.

Actions have consequences, and that includes hate-posts, which can and do inspire others. Do any of these people truly regret their actions, or are they only sorry because they got punished for something they thought they could get away with?

What kind of person advocates hurting, maiming or killing innocent human beings? This isn't like hoping Putin falls out a window or Trump trips on the stairs. This is a bunch of troglodytes who should know fucking better. They can't even claim it's down to poor education - they know enough right from wrong that setting fire to a building with people inside is pretty fucking wrong.

EDIT: it also fires a warning shot across the bows of pr!cks like Frottage who are actively engaging in online hate-speech. Setting the precedent with a sentence for a one off post is a stark warning to those who engage in serial bullshit for personal gain.