Topic: Lawless Liverpool?

[So… Howard Philips]

Wonder how this no mark will be able to demonstrate that his assault on a drag artist wasn’t homophobic?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66722132

[ToneLa]

Course it was a prejudiced attack

The fella who did it is 50??? Christ

"punched the celebrity in the face in McDonald's on Edge Lane, Liverpool, on 16 June and then ran off, Merseyside Police said."

Pathetic

[rob1966]

Wonder how this no mark will be able to demonstrate that his assault on a drag artist wasn’t homophobic?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66722132

If it was unprovoked then it's 100% prejudiced

[Red Beret]

Course it was a prejudiced attack

The fella who did it is 50??? Christ

"punched the celebrity in the face in McDonald's on Edge Lane, Liverpool, on 16 June and then ran off, Merseyside Police said."

Pathetic

Little coward. Hope they throw the book at him.

If it's proved as a hate crime, is it a more severe sentence? He'll only have plead guilty to try and avoid jail time; he won't be the least bit sorry, so a few years inside is what he needs.

[jambutty]

Little coward. Hope they throw the book at him.

Hope it lands.

Doesn't seem much of a deterrent.

[Nobby Reserve]

More fucking piece of shit 'gangstas' did the murdering of Ashley Dale.

Their defence is that it's not murder because they were trying to murder her boyfriend, not her.

FFS. Little boys that have never grown up.

Her boyfriend's 'gang' had a feud with another 'gang'

Jesus wept. Immature scum the lot of them.


She was good looking and intelligent (was an environmental health officer). So wtf was she doing with such a loser prick?

[Indomitable_Carp]

I read the actual "gunman" (aka. pathetic evil scumbag) who pulled the trigger has plead guilty to manslaughter, leaving his accomplices to face trial for murder? If so, how has he managed to get off with manslaughter and not murder in this scenario? He has literally booted the door in with the intention to kill, and then pursued Ashley before gunning her down in cold blood.

And all of this over fragile "disrespected" male ego.

[Henry Gale]

Hang him in the city centre and make all his gangster mates watch him scream and take his last breath.

[So… Howard Philips]

More fucking piece of shit 'gangstas' did the murdering of Ashley Dale.

Their defence is that it's not murder because they were trying to murder her boyfriend, not her.

FFS. Little boys that have never grown up.

Her boyfriend's 'gang' had a feud with another 'gang'

Jesus wept. Immature scum the lot of them.


She was good looking and intelligent (was an environmental health officer). So wtf was she doing with such a loser prick?

It was exacerbated because one floozy ditched her gangster boyfriend and went over to the other side.

A modern Romeo and Juliet if you will.

[Red Beret]

More fucking piece of shit 'gangstas' did the murdering of Ashley Dale.

Their defence is that it's not murder because they were trying to murder her boyfriend, not her.

FFS. Little boys that have never grown up.

Her boyfriend's 'gang' had a feud with another 'gang'

Jesus wept. Immature scum the lot of them.


She was good looking and intelligent (was an environmental health officer). So wtf was she doing with such a loser prick?

Wasn't that the Sean Mercer defence too? "Didn't intend to kill the kid, I was trying to kill someone else." Jeez wept.

[Indomitable_Carp]

But in this case, it seems as if the judge has already accepted the manslaughter plea of the person who pulled the trigger? Or have I read this wrong?

[Red Beret]

Someone can plead guilty to manslaughter but still be tried for murder if the CPS think there is a case though, right?

The only defence the actual killer could surely have for manslaughter is that they themselves feared for their lives if they didn't do as they were told?

[Son of Spion]

More fucking piece of shit 'gangstas' did the murdering of Ashley Dale.

Their defence is that it's not murder because they were trying to murder her boyfriend, not her.

FFS. Little boys that have never grown up.

Her boyfriend's 'gang' had a feud with another 'gang'

Jesus wept. Immature scum the lot of them.


She was good looking and intelligent (was an environmental health officer). So wtf was she doing with such a loser prick?

I've just been reading up on the case, and yes, it really is all so tragically pathetic.

A young woman murdered with a machine gun, and the bottom line is male ego and the loss of face.

Weak, pathetic, emotionally immature little man children.

[AlphaDelta]

I've just been reading up on the case, and yes, it really is all so tragically pathetic.

A young woman murdered with a machine gun, and the bottom line is male ego and the loss of face.

Weak, pathetic, emotionally immature little man children.

It really is pitiful isn't it. A load of scallies who actually believe they are 'something' with not an ounce of intelligence between them.

The lad who pulled the trigger must be a brave little soldier, to shoot a machine gun into the back of a woman running away.

[rob1966]

It really is pitiful isn't it. A load of scallies who actually believe they are 'something' with not an ounce of intelligence between them.

The lad who pulled the trigger must be a brave little soldier, to shoot a machine gun into the back of a woman running away.

No fucking way is that manslaughter either, its murder, end of.

[AlphaDelta]

No fucking way is that manslaughter either, its murder, end of.

Million per cent agree, he may be stupid be isn't blind.

[Nobby Reserve]

Someone can plead guilty to manslaughter but still be tried for murder if the CPS think there is a case though, right?

Correct. The defendant can plead not guilty for the charge they're on trial for, whilst pleading guilty for a lesser charge.

The prosecution don't have to accept it (and a judge would only overrule the prosecution if it was a clear point of law to do so).

[courty61]

It really is pitiful isn't it. A load of scallies who actually believe they are 'something' with not an ounce of intelligence between them.

The lad who pulled the trigger must be a brave little soldier, to shoot a machine gun into the back of a woman running away.

But also these girls who follow these types annoy me just as much.

Happy to take their Mercedes, designer clothes and holidays, knowing full well that their fellas are wrong uns

[ScottScott]

But also these girls who follow these types annoy me just as much.

Happy to take their Mercedes, designer clothes and holidays, knowing full well that their fellas are wrong uns

Exactly, she seemed like she had her head screwed on but was happy to be involved with an absolute scumbag and take the 'benefits' that come with that

Tragic all round. Seems to be on the rise all this shit across the city

[Black Bull Nova]

It really is pitiful isn't it. A load of scallies who actually believe they are 'something' with not an ounce of intelligence between them.

The lad who pulled the trigger must be a brave little soldier, to shoot a machine gun into the back of a woman running away.

And it's one of the reasons why I no longer watch programmes like Peaky Blinders, The Wire etc, even though they are really well produced and entertaining in themselves. These dickheads are the reality of what gangsters are and we've spent many years (especially in America) making the seem glamorous when they are just ignorant, greedy murdering scum. Only when you get the scally killers does it appear so obvious but they are all basically the same, making communities live in fear every day.

[Son of Spion]

And it's one of the reasons why I no longer watch programmes like Peaky Blinders, The Wire etc, even though they are really well produced and entertaining in themselves. These dickheads are the reality of what gangsters are and we've spent many years (especially in America) making the seem glamorous when they are just ignorant, greedy murdering scum. Only when you get the scally killers does it appear so obvious but they are all basically the same, making communities live in fear every day.

I'm with you 100% there. I don't watch any of that shite. I'm sick and tired of TV and film glamourising parasitic scum.

[Indomitable_Carp]

I am not sure how anyone could watch The Wire and think that it's glamourising gangsters? Or really glamourising anything at all? It's a masterpiece precisely because there is no glamourisation

[rob1966]

I am not sure how anyone could watch The Wire and think that it's glamourising gangsters? Or really glamourising anything at all? It's a masterpiece precisely because there is no glamourisation

I only ever watched the first series of The Wire (I've got it all on DVD just never finished it) so can't really say, but Power deffo glamourises the life. You've got Ghost living in a huge expensive apartment, high end watches, clothes, cars, owns a club, mixes with the rich, shagging fit women all over the place. So what that he is brutal and murders a few people, life is short, live it to the full is what its saying.

I'm the same with that prick Liam Neeson, anti gun yet makes therefore $millions from films that perpetuate the "good guy with a gun" bollocks and kills loads of people in all 3 Taken films.

[Black Bull Nova]

I am not sure how anyone could watch The Wire and think that it's glamourising gangsters? Or really glamourising anything at all? It's a masterpiece precisely because there is no glamourisation

It was the first that came to mind, I watched a bit early on then lost track. American stuff is another world really and although I have seen it up close, I'm not an expert, it was just a general point.


It was Peaky Blinders that made me re-think it really because its British and I understand it. Saw a decent programme on it with an academic from Birmingham (who had links in the family), these were, in reality, the sorts of shits who infest our streets these days but only really lightweight crimes compared to the TV show. I know it's supposed to be entertainment but the less glamour we attach to criminals the better.







They have romanticised, over armed and americanised them. Restaurants, Dance Shows etc.

[So… Howard Philips]

First series of Peaky Blinders was Ok but it got more fanciful as it went on.

Lots of slow walking, glamorous women - in 1920s Birmingham.

[stoa]

First series of Peaky Blinders was Ok but it got more fanciful as it went on.

Lots of slow walking, glamorous women - in 1920s Birmingham.

I watched the first two series, but stopped after the first episode of the third one. The whole watching someone light a cigarette or pour a drink and doing fuck all else gets boring rather quickly....

[So… Howard Philips]

I watched the first two series, but stopped after the first episode of the third one. The whole watching someone light a cigarette or pour a drink and doing fuck all else gets boring rather quickly....

Soundtrack wasn’t bad though.

[Henry Gale]

I am not sure how anyone could watch The Wire and think that it's glamourising gangsters? Or really glamourising anything at all? It's a masterpiece precisely because there is no glamourisation

The only people who do that are the people who have never watched it all.

[ToneLa]

The Wire effectively exists to show how the war on drugs does not work and enables crime and misery in a cyclical manner, even going as far as the corruption of politicians at the top

It is a world away from Peaky Blinders

[Black Bull Nova]

The Wire effectively exists to show how the war on drugs does not work and enables crime and misery in a cyclical manner, even going as far as the corruption of politicians at the top

It is a world away from Peaky Blinders

I've said I only watched series one, 20 years ago, you can let it go now, I get it. I love Baltimore as well.


There's enough American glorification for me to choose a better example but you get the idea, gangsters are scum.

[Statto Red]

Couple of people out riding their bikes have been stabbed & had their bikes nicked by a gang of yobs in Leasowe.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/two-men-hospital-after-balaclava-27890822

[So… Howard Philips]

The man injured by the speeding Audi on the Strand has died;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67148090

[Terry de Niro]

The man injured by the speeding Audi on the Strand has died;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67148090

RIP.   

[upthereds1993]

Is it just me or does there seem to be a huge number of serious crashes / RTAs happening in Merseyside over the last month or two? Obviously nothing more than a tragic coincidence but as somebody who has a brief scroll through the Echo website every day, there seems to be a lot more than usual lately.

[redbyrdz]

Is it just me or does there seem to be a huge number of serious crashes / RTAs happening in Merseyside over the last month or two? Obviously nothing more than a tragic coincidence but as somebody who has a brief scroll through the Echo website every day, there seems to be a lot more than usual lately.

Think the answer is that the Echo only reports on crime and tragedies these days.

[stoa]

Think the answer is that the Echo only reports on crime and tragedies these days.

I've seen loads of newspaper/media-sites in my life from various places and countries and the Echo website has to be the worst in terms of how much and how prominently they report crime. Their whole homepage is a big collection of various mug-shots (with a bit of footy news in between) and when you click on an article and reach the end of that, you get loads more mug shots often themed by people who have assaulted others or the latest drug dealers. It's just horrible.

[So… Howard Philips]

I've seen loads of newspaper/media-sites in my life from various places and countries and the Echo website has to be the worst in terms of how much and how prominently they report crime. Their whole homepage is a big collection of various mug-shots (with a bit of footy news in between) and when you click on an article and reach the end of that, you get loads more mug shots often themed by people who have assaulted others or the latest drug dealers. It's just horrible.

And the Echo always manages to get in a reference to a ‘Nan’ or a ‘Mam’ in their catalogue of misery.

[Son of Spion]

And the Echo always manages to get in a reference to a ‘Nan’ or a ‘Mam’ in their catalogue of misery.

We know someone who the Echo called a "Scouse Nan" on their website.

She'd absolutely hate being called that, too.

It was a positive story rather than the usual miseryfest the Echo revel in, though.

[Son of Spion]

I've seen loads of newspaper/media-sites in my life from various places and countries and the Echo website has to be the worst in terms of how much and how prominently they report crime. Their whole homepage is a big collection of various mug-shots (with a bit of footy news in between) and when you click on an article and reach the end of that, you get loads more mug shots often themed by people who have assaulted others or the latest drug dealers. It's just horrible.

The last time we were away on holiday I deleted my Echo app for this very reason. Endless negativity, misery and stories of deadbeat scumbags back home.

[ljycb]

Is it just me or does there seem to be a huge number of serious crashes / RTAs happening in Merseyside over the last month or two? Obviously nothing more than a tragic coincidence but as somebody who has a brief scroll through the Echo website every day, there seems to be a lot more than usual lately.

I live overlooking Muirhead Avenue and there are frequently crashes directly outside of our house - definitely seen an increase over the last few years.