Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Give Amorim what he wants. I'd rather a boss manager on top money than a shit manager on reasonable money. In either scenario, we're going to pay the price. At least with the top manager you'll get your money back with prize money and going deep into the CL.

There is a 3rd option.. you give a shit manager top money.

[Ray K]

I wouldn't be worried too much with what the reports about Amorim's wage demand.

When you're looking to move jobs, you always tell your new employer that you were on about 25% more at your current job and wouldn't consider moving unless you get another 25% on top of that.

They laugh at you and say 'we'll offer you 5 grand more than your current salary' And you say to yourself 'YYYEEESS' and walk out thinking that you're the greatest negotiator since that fella who bought Manhattan off the natives.

[spider-neil]

There is a 3rd option.. you give a shit manager top money.

We went down that road with Hodgson.

[Fromola]

That hasn't been true for most managers for many many years now. Players hold power and only very special managers, like Jurgen, are more important than the players. There's no way you can say that about Amorim right now. Stick him on the £200 post tax that he wants then get stuck with him for the whole term of his contract if he doesn't turn out to be very good for us. He hasn't earned that yet and his reputation so far doesn't back that up. Its crazy.

Leicester screwed themselves paying that sort of money to Rodgers and then when things went sour they couldn't afford to sack him. Eventually they had to and it was too late to keep them up and will also see them fail FFP, in part due to the massive pay out.

If you give someone 20 mill a year over a 3-4 year contract that's a lot of money to pay out after a year or two if he isn't performing. It's different with players because you're protecting an asset. Obviously that flips as they get older which is why clubs are reluctant to give out longer deals post-30 (which we made the mistake of with Henderson, albeit bailed out by Saudi).

[jillcwhomever]

It's so utterly bleak but if it's not Alonso or Amorim the cupboard does feel a bit bare in terms of good options doesn't it. At least we might be able to enjoy the total car crash of Mourinho on some level. Gary O'Neil or Beheadie Howe is just depressing beyond belief, there are no redeeming features of giving the likes of them a go.

Mourinho is not a Liverpool manager and he never should be.

[danm77]

Buying Amorim out of his contract you'd think will cost 10m because that is how much Sporting had to pay to get him in.

I meant his reported salary demands.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

We went down that road with Hodgson.

My point is you don't really know if a manager is going to be shit or top until they actually start the job. Giving someone relatively unproven a really high salary would be madness.

Klopp got a new contract and a pay rise within a year of starting, when it became clear he was doing a good job, and he was much more of a sure fire thing. That's the way to do it.

[Qston]

If the wait a year for Alonso option is a genuine one, I would bring in this fella;

Now that I could get on board with. Said it weeks ago that if 1st choice options aren`t available that just for the sheer entertainment factor alone I would have him.

[Paul JH]

Interesting question, Paul I would hope they would though he may not want to suggest actual names himself. But I do think with the Academy turning out some interesting talents they will go with a manager who is prepared to work with younger players as well as being able to further develop the team we currently have. Which is why there be some interesting decisions on certain players in the summer.

Yeah, agreed. Surely one of the most succesful managers we've ever had would be consulted in some way, even if it's just to advise on where he see's some of the players coming through etc, and what kind of direction the side should take as far as the tactical side of things could go. Which they could then use in the interview process?

[Vinay]

Other than the complaints of bullying in Dortmund as well as the disgraceful manner in which he dealt with the bombing incident.

Also the fact that he has fell out with every dressing room and owner he has worked with

Apart from that not a bad egg

What the? Holy mackerel! He did not want to play the schedule so soon after the bombing. Dude, do you even listen to what you say?

As I was saying, many misconceptions, and misunderstandings about managers we hardly know.

[Keita Success]

No matter what happens, I don't think we've dealt with this well so far.

The top journos didn't used to report things until things were just short of being announced by the club. Now we've got Ornstein announcing that we're not after de Zerbi & Amorim. I'd rather it was kept in-house until a decision had been made.

Disappointed it's not Amorim, though.

[danm77]

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Ruben Amorim may be one of the most wanted managers in Europe this summer, with Liverpool and West Ham both being touted as destinations.

But where will he end up?

@David_Ornstein tells us the latest.

[Qston]

No matter what happens, I don't think we've dealt with this well so far.

The top journos didn't used to report things until things were just short of being announced by the club. Now we've got Ornstein announcing that we're not after de Zerbi & Amorim. I'd rather it was kept in-house until a decision had been made.

Disappointed it's not Amorim, though.

Am I missing something here ?  Has Ornstein actually said that re: Amorim ?

[red_Mark1980]

I genuinely don't think Tommy Tuckle is a very good coach, that should be a major consideration

[Dim Glas]

What the? Holy mackerel! He did not want to play the schedule so soon after the bombing. Dude, do you even listen to what you say?

As I was saying, many misconceptions, and misunderstandings about managers we hardly know.

to be fair, you are being the same, but in the opposite way 

About the bombing - you believe Tuchel, that’s fine, most believed Watzke.

But there is a whole string of events at Dortmund that don’t reflect well regardless. He’s a coach who lacks empathy, doesn’t deal well with people. As good a tactician as he may be, the human side is badly lacking.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

No matter what happens, I don't think we've dealt with this well so far.

The top journos didn't used to report things until things were just short of being announced by the club. Now we've got Ornstein announcing that we're not after de Zerbi & Amorim. I'd rather it was kept in-house until a decision had been made.

Disappointed it's not Amorim, though.

The Amorim news only properly broke yesterday because he was on a plane to speak to West Ham. Not much we can do about things like that leaking. It has nothing to do with us.

[In the Name of Klopp]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Oscar Hernandez, the Barca coach? He should be on the list. 



...or get Mourinho in just to piss Jill off.

[stewy17]

Enrique hasn't done anything impressive as a manger since Klopp's first season. Genuinely baffled he keeps getting mentioned

A viewpoint completely without context or explanation.

Won the title in his first two seasons at Barcelona, came second by three points in the third before he left. Won the CL once and every other trophy he was in. Win % of 76% across 3 seasons. Takes over Spain and is flying and then his daughter died. He resigns and then comes back and then gets to the semi finals of the Euros before his ageing team starts to fail and he's had to rely on youngsters who couldn't really compete in 2022.

Comes to PSG, rights the ship a little bit in a transition season and is now on for a treble - albeit that he is unlikely to win the CL.

Has a higher win % over his career than Klopp, has vast experience and is a big name. Frankly, he shits over any other candidate outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

[Draex]

to be fair, you are being the same, but in the opposite way 

About the bombing - you believe Tuchel, that’s fine, most believed Watzke.

But there is a whole string of events at Dortmund that don’t reflect well regardless. He’s a coach who lacks empathy, doesn’t deal well with people. As good a tactician as he may be, the human side is badly lacking.

People can change though, the story of the maid and PSG shows a man with empathy.

[stewy17]

The Mourinho chat in here is absolutely fucking insane. I wouldn't let him be interim manager of Liverpool's kitchen staff. Yesterdays man, and an absolute c*nt to boot.

[Draex]

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The Sports Agents

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Ruben Amorim may be one of the most wanted managers in Europe this summer, with Liverpool and West Ham both being touted as destinations.

But where will he end up?

@David_Ornstein tells us the latest.

Ornstein seems to be be very active stringing out the Amorin is on our list but not at the top, he might or might not be in the running for the job but it's unlikely.. Story for clicks.. He's the Eton version of Romano.

[stewy17]

More bad news guys, Gary O'Neil ruled out by James Pearce.

[PaleBlueDot]

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The Sports Agents

@sportsagentspod
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2m
Ruben Amorim may be one of the most wanted managers in Europe this summer, with Liverpool and West Ham both being touted as destinations.

But where will he end up?

@David_Ornstein tells us the latest.

Actually listened to Ornstein there.

- Amorim will leave Sporting.

- Amorim's side likes the idea of West Ham but it's not his top option.

- Been told Amorim to "LFC is regarded as 'unlikely' but he is in the conversation...he has been and maybe that will continue. You never say never with these things. You never know but this is not as nailed on as reports from Portugal are suggesting."



My take on this;

I think Amorim has had a chat with West Ham but we're his top option. We've had our interview with Amorim. We've continued to interview other people and someone has taken that as we're not keen on him.

This could just be a case of us doing our due diligence and speaking to all options...and we could well decide that one of those alternatives is a better fit. I personally don't think Amorim is off the table and looking back at this Pedro Sepúlveda's tweets they are very inconsistent.

Don't believe the talks of 'money/wage' issues. Probably nonsense.

[CraigDS]

Just pay Amorim what he wants, we'd make it back on shirt sales alone.

[koptommy93]

I think it will be Amorim

[whtwht]

Just let VVD player manage like Kenny... get Milner in as assistant

[newterp]

I think it will be Amorim

We should get Eminem

[stoa]

Actually listened to Ornstein there.

- Amorim will leave Sporting.

- Amorim's side likes the idea of West Ham but it's not his top option.

- Been told Amorim to "LFC is regarded as 'unlikely' but he is in the conversation...he has been and maybe that will continue. You never say never with these things. You never know but this is not as nailed on as reports from Portugal are suggesting."

So what he's basically saying is: "The people in Portugal know fuck all about what is going on between Amorim and LFC, but it's the same with me."

[Historical Fool]

That hasn't been true for most managers for many many years now. Players hold power and only very special managers, like Jurgen, are more important than the players. There's no way you can say that about Amorim right now. Stick him on the £200 post tax that he wants then get stuck with him for the whole term of his contract if he doesn't turn out to be very good for us. He hasn't earned that yet and his reputation so far doesn't back that up. Its crazy.

Vieira would be a lot cheaper to be fair. Much more reasonable wages you would imagine …

[lobsterboy]

More bad news guys, Gary O'Neil ruled out by James Pearce.

Smoke screen for Phil

[kaesarsosei]

A viewpoint completely without context or explanation.

Won the title in his first two seasons at Barcelona, came second by three points in the third before he left. Won the CL once and every other trophy he was in. Win % of 76% across 3 seasons. Takes over Spain and is flying and then his daughter died. He resigns and then comes back and then gets to the semi finals of the Euros before his ageing team starts to fail and he's had to rely on youngsters who couldn't really compete in 2022.

Comes to PSG, rights the ship a little bit in a transition season and is now on for a treble - albeit that he is unlikely to win the CL.

Has a higher win % over his career than Klopp, has vast experience and is a big name. Frankly, he shits over any other candidate outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

Have to say this is a more impressive resume than I had initially expected, and to be honest he has every chance of winning the CL this season. I think its this year or never for PSG.

[Kopenhagen]

I genuinely don't think Tommy Tuckle is a very good coach, that should be a major consideration

He isn't.

Most overrated manager of the last 10 years.

[Vinay]

to be fair, you are being the same, but in the opposite way 

About the bombing - you believe Tuchel, that’s fine, most believed Watzke.

But there is a whole string of events at Dortmund that don’t reflect well regardless. He’s a coach who lacks empathy, doesn’t deal well with people. As good a tactician as he may be, the human side is badly lacking.

Cool, I will give you that. You have built a reputation following the Bundesliga for longer than many of us here.

I understand the lack of empathy thing - Benitez was also criticised for that. It is also perhaps an 'autistic' trait many clever people have, not something they necessarily set out to do. It is a pity, because I think his football is effective and efficient.

[Caps4444]

We are not going to pay over the odds, we never have and won’t be doing so here.

The fact that it is deemed unlikely is due to money I would say, no way will we risk a 3 year contract and signing on fee and release clause, coming close to £80m.

I’m amazed he is demanding so much, if “repors” are true.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Actually listened to Ornstein there.

- Amorim will leave Sporting.

- Amorim's side likes the idea of West Ham but it's not his top option.

- Been told Amorim to "LFC is regarded as 'unlikely' but he is in the conversation...he has been and maybe that will continue. You never say never with these things. You never know but this is not as nailed on as reports from Portugal are suggesting."



My take on this;

I think Amorim has had a chat with West Ham but we're his top option. We've had our interview with Amorim. We've continued to interview other people and someone has taken that as we're not keen on him.

This could just be a case of us doing our due diligence and speaking to all options...and we could well decide that one of those alternatives is a better fit. I personally don't think Amorim is off the table and looking back at this Pedro Sepúlveda's tweets they are very inconsistent.

Don't believe the talks of 'money/wage' issues. Probably nonsense.

Given that Ornstein knew of the West Ham stuff, it seems as though he is getting his info from Amorim's people on this? So maybe it's just that they don't believe that he is our top target, rather than us telling him that he's not.

They could have also leaked the West Ham stuff to try and force our hand / get us to speed things up.

[Caps4444]

More bad news guys, Gary O'Neil ruled out by James Pearce.

Just need to rule out Frank and Howe / Tindall and I’ll be a lot more comfortable.

[Vinay]

A viewpoint completely without context or explanation.

Won the title in his first two seasons at Barcelona, came second by three points in the third before he left. Won the CL once and every other trophy he was in. Win % of 76% across 3 seasons. Takes over Spain and is flying and then his daughter died. He resigns and then comes back and then gets to the semi finals of the Euros before his ageing team starts to fail and he's had to rely on youngsters who couldn't really compete in 2022.

Comes to PSG, rights the ship a little bit in a transition season and is now on for a treble - albeit that he is unlikely to win the CL.

Has a higher win % over his career than Klopp, has vast experience and is a big name. Frankly, he shits over any other candidate outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

Exactly what I have been saying Stewy. Luis Enrique is currently, in my humble opinion, the third best manager in the world after Pep and Juergen.

[Chris~]

A viewpoint completely without context or explanation.

Won the title in his first two seasons at Barcelona, came second by three points in the third before he left. Won the CL once and every other trophy he was in. Win % of 76% across 3 seasons. Takes over Spain and is flying and then his daughter died. He resigns and then comes back and then gets to the semi finals of the Euros before his ageing team starts to fail and he's had to rely on youngsters who couldn't really compete in 2022.

Comes to PSG, rights the ship a little bit in a transition season and is now on for a treble - albeit that he is unlikely to win the CL.

Has a higher win % over his career than Klopp, has vast experience and is a big name. Frankly, he shits over any other candidate outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

Winning at PSG is just never going to be impressive and their Champions League run has been unbelievably kind. Like I said, last impressive thing he did was in Klopp's first year here and that was with Messi, Neymar and Suarez as his front 3. Having a higher win percentage than Klopp given the teams he's managed isn't anything impressive, it'd be bad if it wasn't higher. Xavi has had a more impressive run as Barca manager when you compare the squads they had.

[LFCEmpire]

The Mourinho chat in here is absolutely fucking insane. I wouldn't let him be interim manager of Liverpool's kitchen staff. Yesterdays man, and an absolute c*nt to boot.

He uses scorched earth tactics... stay away.

[Caps4444]

He uses scorched earth tactics... stay away.

Well depends what the choices are.