Topic: Labour Thread * No Gaza *

[PaulF]

That's the way I see it.

No party is perfect. No manifesto ever includes everything you want. No party leader ever measures up. Every single person amongst us can find a good reason for, say, not voting Labour. It's easy, especially if you're sensitive and especially if you think politics should be about flattering your vanity.

But it's the general election. It's the one  time you should be obliged to ask 'Which party will help the country at large, including everybody who is not me?" The Tories tend to do well when a different question is posed ie "What's in it for me?"

But how do we persuade an electorate to think of the many. And how much personal pain would it take to change that back?  I'm being a bit melodramatic there, but say I live in Aberdeen and all my family work in o&g and the party coming to power is going to decimate that industry for the greater good.

[Circa1892]

Assume Ashworth and Debbonaire are either put into the Lords or saved for any early safe by-elections.

[bossjon]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

[Lisan Al Gaib]

The "I fucking hate Liverpool" thing was so obviously a deep fake AI that even the Tories were saying it was a deep fake. So good point in proving the state of politics if you still believe clear shite like that.

[Circa1892]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, mutters "I fucking hate Liverpool" off camera (supposedly), Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

Moron

[bossjon]

The "I fucking hate Liverpool" thing was so obviously a deep fake AI that even the Tories were saying it was a deep fake. So good point in proving the state of politics if you still believe clear shite like that.

Looked it up, probably fake. Will correct that. His endorsement of The sun and being the favorite child of American private equity and military industrial complex isn´t.

[oldfordie]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

[The holly and the jillc]

Apparently it's more fun to be in opposition.

[oldfordie]

Apparently it's more fun to be in opposition.

It is for the supporters. not sure the left wing Labour MPs feel the same about it.
When will the lesson be learned, good night for the Socialists. years of convincing people that Labour did nothing for them didn't result in a move to the left it resulted in a move to Frottage and the far right.
Question is, is this just the start of the move to the right at the expense of the left or will people wise up by the next election.

[A scaleXtric DraeX Xmas]

Now your hard work starts Keir and Labour, you are on watch, don't fuck it up, we might never recover if you do.

[Yorkykopite]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

What time is the meeting of the Central Committee comrade? Are we still plotting to take over the Means of Production tomorrow?

[classycarra]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

love the smell of bitterness in the morning

[Red Beret]

He has the mandate. What he likely won't have is patience. Starmer won't have much of a honeymoon period.

[Santas crapped on me loo la]

He is ecstatic of getting the full support from the Sun, Blackrock express their joy over Keir Stramer that he "offers hope", probably the most militaristic and pro-war PM since Blair....

Happy days for socialists in the UK...the state of politics in this country  :'(

Best thing that happened was that the Tories are finished off for good probably, never seen a more worthless and useless party in European politics. Worst thing is that all their big financial donors and war hawks just move over to Labour now, nothing will change as usual.

Well played!!

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

love the smell of bitterness in the morning

And obviously doesn’t realise what’s happened in Hungary and Italy and about to happen in France either.

[Phineus]

Some smart, sensible cabinet appointments.

[Six Beardy]

Looked it up, probably fake. Will correct that. His endorsement of The sun and being the favorite child of American private equity and military industrial complex isn´t.

He didn't endorse the Sun, the Sun endorsed Labour winning the election ( the shameless fuckers always want to be on the winning side). All Starmer said was that he was pleased they were backing a Labour win - which is no different to any of us saying we'd be pleased if Anthony Taylor gave us a penalty, which wouldn't be us endorsing the useless fucker

[Red Beret]

He didn't endorse the Sun, the Sun endorsed Labour winning the election ( the shameless fuckers always want to be on the winning side). All Starmer said was that he was pleased they were backing a Labour win - which is no different to any of us saying we'd be pleased if Anthony Taylor gave us a penalty, which wouldn't be us endorsing the useless fucker

Say what you like about the Express's ridiculous front page - at least they stuck to their guns and went down with the ship. The scum has been dining out on that 1992 headline for over 30 fucking years. It's just embarrassing at this point.

[Circa1892]

Looked it up, probably fake. Will correct that. His endorsement of The sun and being the favorite child of American private equity and military industrial complex isn´t.

What does your last line even mean? Honestly you lot - read a load of waffle  articles you don’t understand as part of being “very online” and exist to spread your piety over the internet. We have a positive progressive movement and it’s literally no thaks to you, no thanks to Jeremy, no thanks to Novara. You’re all history. Move on.

[Red Beret]

Maybe we need a separate "Lefties who hate Labour" thread, seeing as all they see are Red Tories?

[Sangria]

What does your last line even mean? Honestly you lot - read a load of waffle  articles you don’t understand as part of being “very online” and exist to spread your piety over the internet. We have a positive progressive movement and it’s literally no thaks to you, no thanks to Jeremy, no thanks to Novara. You’re all history. Move on.

We could do with more of a military-industrial complex. Ukraine is in shit because we don't. Although I suppose that lot tend pro-Russia and anti-NATO anyway.

[Red Beret]

We could do with more of a military-industrial complex. Ukraine is in shit because we don't. Although I suppose that lot tend pro-Russia and anti-NATO anyway.

Aye. We were supposed to have 12 Type 45 destroyers originally, but that would cut to eight and then six (under Labour, annoyingly). There's supposedly a new Type 83 in development that's expected to enter service in the 2030s, but that is clearly still some way off.

There are serious operational gaps in the UK military right now, and they need plugging urgently. Unfortunately, the UK doesn't have a great track record when it comes to procurement.

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

Aye. We were supposed to have 12 Type 45 destroyers originally, but that would cut to eight and then six (under Labour, annoyingly). There's supposedly a new Type 83 in development that's expected to enter service in the 2030s, but that is clearly still some way off.

There are serious operational gaps in the UK military right now, and they need plugging urgently. Unfortunately, the UK doesn't have a great track record when it comes to procurement.

Not just procurement. Our track record of developing our own armaments is poor.

Was the Spitfire the last success?

[killer-heels]

Don’t think Lammy will last long in the role particularity if Trump gets in. Reeves and Cooper will probably be there for the entire parliament.

[Yorkykopite]

Don’t think Lammy will last long in the role particularity if Trump gets in.

Why?

[gamble]

Not a Kier fan - but looks more comfortable now he is PM. More confident.

[LFC_R_BOSS]

James Timpson is an absolutely fantastic appointment in my book .

[Santa couldn't find his reindeer]

James Timpson is an absolutely fantastic appointment in my book .

Agreed, an excellent appointment.

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

Why?

A random prognostication from a non Lammy fan?

[Lisan Al Gaib]

James Timpson is an absolutely fantastic appointment in my book .

Have said the same. Saw something the other day that he doesn't think the vast majority of those in prison need to be there so we may be seeing some quite radical proposals on prison reform coming from him.

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

Have said the same. Saw something the other day that he doesn't think the vast majority of those in prison need to be there so we may be seeing some quite radical proposals on prison reform coming from him.

I’m not sure about the “vast majority” but some form of practical measures to help the alcohol and drug addicted rather than jail would be a good start.

[Lisan Al Gaib]

https://xcancel.com/krishgm/status/1809503192511602776

Here it is. He believes only a third of prisoners need to be in prison.

[Santa couldn't find his reindeer]

Lammy has started to lay the ground work in hisrelationship with the United States. On a trip to Washington last month, Lammy spoke at the Hudson Institute where he described  himself as a "good Christian" and "small-c conservative" who had common cause with the U.S. Republican Party.

[RedDeadRejection]

Ugh

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

https://xcancel.com/krishgm/status/1809503192511602776

Here it is. He believes only a third of prisoners need to be in prison.

Very light on details but I’m sure that will come. The emphasis needs to be on proper management of high risk prisoners, foe example;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2g4pgd814o

[Red-Soldier]

Lammy has started to lay the ground work in hisrelationship with the United States. On a trip to Washington last month, Lammy spoke at the Hudson Institute where he described  himself as a "good Christian" and "small-c conservative" who had common cause with the U.S. Republican Party.

Urgh.

[Lisan Al Gaib]

https://xcancel.com/AdamBienkov/status/1809539095149838592

[Sangria]

James Timpson is an absolutely fantastic appointment in my book .

He's going to be key to our success.

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

He's going to be key to our success.

He’s got soul.

[killer-heels]

Why?

Had said some things in the past about Trump and I dont think Starmer will be interested in the questions that follow. I also don’t think he is very good. Its no surprise to me that just before the announcement there were rumours about whether he would even get the gig.