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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4360 on: June 7, 2024, 08:20:24 am »
Sunak trying to row back


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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4361 on: June 7, 2024, 08:21:53 am »
Even that is pathetic.

"After the conclusion of the British event, I returned back to UK".

Yeah, that's the message of D-Day - just focusing only on your own country and their contribution.

The man is a fucking idiot.  Ed Miliband could have beaten this freakshow. Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery this lot.
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« Reply #4362 on: June 7, 2024, 08:22:40 am »
Bear in mind he’s not sorry for leaving D-Day early to do the interview, he’s sorry for getting caught. The interview itself won’t be shown till next week and we only found out because ITV leaked it.

Labour need to hammer him about it for the next week whenever he repeats the £2,000 tax lie.

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« Reply #4363 on: June 7, 2024, 08:25:54 am »
So he’s been called out for lying which ran as the top story for a few days.
Now, he’s left the D-Day memorial early and this will run for days as a top story, who the fuck is advising him?
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« Reply #4364 on: June 7, 2024, 08:25:58 am »
"Reform are eating into our vote. What's the one thing I could do to reverse this? I know, offend D-Day veterans".

He's already pushed national service. After this fiasco the only other things he can do are bringing back corporal punishment and hanging.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4365 on: June 7, 2024, 08:30:49 am »
Sunak is fucking useless but the people that advise him are clearly braindead. They’ve not allowed him to have one good day so far. Lurching from one gaffe to the next.
It's so preventable these own goals.
I mean, it's not as if ITV wouldn't have rescheduled the interview for last evening. Chris Ship isn't going to say 'Sorry Rishi, my schedule looks chockablock for the next week, its either this afternoon or bust'.
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« Reply #4366 on: June 7, 2024, 08:40:15 am »
The Tory election campaign just feels like Sunak is making this all about him from a presidential perspective.  Tory HQ must be scratching their heads and there is no joined up thinking on the approach. Wonderful.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4367 on: June 7, 2024, 08:42:03 am »
The idiotic thing is, i believe the ITV interview is not being broadcast until next Wednesday, it just shows how out of touch & inept Sunak is, he's like one of those contestants from The Apprentice who somehow find themselves in the final 2 & ends up winning because the other contestant fucked up badly.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4368 on: June 7, 2024, 08:44:43 am »
It's so preventable these own goals.
I mean, it's not as if ITV wouldn't have rescheduled the interview for last evening. Chris Ship isn't going to say 'Sorry Rishi, my schedule looks chockablock for the next week, its either this afternoon or bust'.

ITV presenters on GMB earlier said ‘we would have done it in Normandy after yesterday’s (d-day) events’ had we been asked

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« Reply #4369 on: June 7, 2024, 08:48:11 am »
Labour need to hammer him about it for the next week whenever he repeats the £2,000 tax lie.

Now that Sunak is doubling down they have every opportunity to put the boot in.

The problem for Sunak is that he is not Boris, who could repeat a lie so confidently if it didn't stick his bluster would win over the fools anyway. At this point he just looks like a complete idiot.

It will still stick with a fair few swing voters who we know are as dense as a black hole, but for the most I think this will be a big backfiring moment.

He could have easily have said something very simple like "We got that information in good faith, the exact figure was wrong but the point stands - Labour will increase your taxes massively!" Still a lie but one where he does not look like a petulant 2 year old who is taking everyone for complete fools.

If the Abbot kerfuffle was giving the Torys a bit of help, Sunak has basically handed Labour a loaded gun with this, but I'm sure by noon he'll have landed himself in even more shit.

Reminds me of that scene in Naked Gun 3 where teh audience (in this case Tory HQ) keep groaning and slapping their hands on their heads in disbelief everytime Sunak opens his mouth.

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« Reply #4370 on: June 7, 2024, 08:48:14 am »
When people said it on here before I was quite surprised but it really does look like the party is being infiltrated by antisemites.

When Corbyn's anti-semites left the Labour party to join the Greens it was always going to happen. This isn't the first and won't be the last anti-semitic scandal that they're caught up in.


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They're claiming that its part of over-medicalisation and want the birthing process to be more natural. Its good they've ditched but it was utterly bonkers they thought of it anyway!

Sunak is fucking useless but the people that advise him are clearly braindead. They’ve not allowed him to have one good day so far. Lurching from one gaffe to the next.

They're even braindead or they just plainly don't like him and want him to lose as badly as possible - that's the only explanation I can think of at the moment!

The worst bit about this whole thing is not that he left to do the interview but he left because yesterday was the only date they offered ITV to do the interview.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4371 on: June 7, 2024, 09:01:50 am »
When people said it on here before I was quite surprised but it really does look like the party is being infiltrated by antisemites.
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« Reply #4372 on: June 7, 2024, 09:09:13 am »
Bear in mind he’s not sorry for leaving D-Day early to do the interview, he’s sorry for getting caught. The interview itself won’t be shown till next week and we only found out because ITV leaked it.

Labour need to hammer him about it for the next week whenever he repeats the £2,000 tax lie.

"I'm sorry you're sorry."

Who even thought this was a good idea for him to do anyway? It's a day out of the campaign ffs. It could have waited.

It's a sign of desperation to me. The whole issue about the lies spiralling out of control and getting way more scrutiny than the Tories are used to must have necessitated some kind of immediate damage control that Sunak's advisors felt couldn't wait.

I'm glad ITV dropped him in it - seems kind of deliberate mind.
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« Reply #4373 on: June 7, 2024, 09:16:00 am »
The idiotic thing is, i believe the ITV interview is not being broadcast until next Wednesday, it just shows how out of touch & inept Sunak is, he's like one of those contestants from The Apprentice who somehow find themselves in the final 2 & ends up winning because the other contestant fucked up badly.

Sunsk is not sorry, he's only sorry he's been found out.

Comes across as constant panic; the entire Tory campaign is reactive and defensive. Sunak could have just done the interview in the evening after the commemorations were done. Like Felch Aid says, there's no joined up thinking at all.

Sunak just doesn't have a clue on how to actually lead, think, plan or act. This is what happens when you stick ultra rich introverts with high school debating skills in charge of your party/country.
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« Reply #4375 on: June 7, 2024, 09:22:09 am »
It's going to be glorious to watch the minister they trope out to defend this.

He wasn't even going to go at all..... That is the line that needs to be the final nail in the coffin. He had to compromise to be there for the minimum amount of time.

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« Reply #4376 on: June 7, 2024, 09:24:41 am »
The Minister for Children, David Johnston, who is on LBC this morning couldn't tell Nick Ferrari how much Child benefit is.
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« Reply #4377 on: June 7, 2024, 09:25:22 am »
It's going to be glorious to watch the minister they trope out to defend this.

He wasn't even going to go at all..... That is the line that needs to be the final nail in the coffin. He had to compromise to be there for the minimum amount of time.


Their minister was on the airwaves before this came out. All eyes on politics live.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4378 on: June 7, 2024, 09:26:18 am »
https://xcancel.com/adambienkov/status/1798981053807558736?s=46

Wow

Fucking hell.

That is the action of a stupid rich guy utterly divorced from reality, with no clue why such matters are important to ordinary people. It's called fucking leadership you numbskull!

It's Trump-esque behaviour to treat such an event so trivially and to feel you're too important or too busy to have to go.  Sunak should be nowhere near Number 10.

I'd say this will explode into an even bigger gaffe than the tax lie.

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« Reply #4379 on: June 7, 2024, 09:28:12 am »
It may have come from Vaizey, but it was great to see that low life bitch Claire Fox belittled and called out as the utter c*nt she is on Politics Live. She is definitely in my top 10 of people I would like to see have their heads kicked in.

Claire Fox is another one of those who were extremist lefties like Peter Hitchens who underwent a road to Damascus conversion and went to the other extreme writing utter shite.

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« Reply #4380 on: June 7, 2024, 09:28:15 am »
It's an astonishing mistake by Sunak. You'd have thought that he would want to spend as much time in Normandy as possible - what a photo opportunity for him. And a chance to look 'presidential'. And a chance to say some boilerplate stuff about freedom and democracy. Liz Truss would have been photod in the landing craft carrying a Union Jack.

He gets everything wrong. No wonder he killed so many people during Covid.
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« Reply #4381 on: June 7, 2024, 09:31:41 am »
https://xcancel.com/adambienkov/status/1798981053807558736?s=46

Wow

Was just about to post this. Its utterly inconceivable that any Prime Minister would miss any of the events that were planned in commemoration so for him to not even plan to go in the first place is staggering. This is going to go down like a ton of bricks.

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« Reply #4382 on: June 7, 2024, 09:34:23 am »
It's an astonishing mistake by Sunak. You'd have thought that he would want to spend as much time in Normandy as possible - what a photo opportunity for him. And a chance to look 'presidential'. And a chance to say some boilerplate stuff about freedom and democracy. Liz Truss would have been photod in the landing craft carrying a Union Jack.

He gets everything wrong. No wonder he killed so many people during Covid.
Was just thinking the same thing, it's an astonishing lack of judgement.  You can stand next to all the World leaders and look solemn and statesmanlike, shake hands with Zelensky and look all tough.  You literally can't buy an opportunity like that, you'd think he'd have made it a cornerstone of his campaign and instead he tried to wriggle out of it.  I cannot understand what the thinking was.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4383 on: June 7, 2024, 09:35:26 am »
It's an astonishing mistake by Sunak. You'd have thought that he would want to spend as much time in Normandy as possible - what a photo opportunity for him. And a chance to look 'presidential'. And a chance to say some boilerplate stuff about freedom and democracy. Liz Truss would have been photod in the landing craft carrying a Union Jack.

He gets everything wrong. No wonder he killed so many people during Covid.

I'm beginning to understand why some Tory MPs and most Tory members looked at the choice between him and Truss and decided to vote for the lunatic as the better option.

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« Reply #4384 on: June 7, 2024, 09:43:32 am »
Its utterly inconceivable that any Prime Minister would miss any of the events that were planned in commemoration so for him to not even plan to go in the first place is staggering. This is going to go down like a ton of bricks.

Was just thinking the same thing, it's an astonishing lack of judgement.  You can stand next to all the World leaders and look solemn and statesmanlike, shake hands with Zelensky and look all tough.  You literally can't buy an opportunity like that, you'd think he'd have made it a cornerstone of his campaign and instead he tried to wriggle out of it.  I cannot understand what the thinking was.

I'm at a loss, honestly. This is leadership 101. This shows a lack of social skills, and arrogance, a sense that he feels above it all.

This is his first really big mistake. All Tories lie, but this was a premeditated act of utter stupidity. He just doesn't GET people, or get what it is to be a leader. Sunak seems to think it's all about meetings and administration - no, it's about putting yourself out there.

This could cripple him. What were his advisors thinking? Where they the ones that pushed for this "compromise"? Did they have to bang it into his head why a no-show was unacceptable?
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4385 on: June 7, 2024, 09:43:43 am »
Was just thinking the same thing, it's an astonishing lack of judgement.  You can stand next to all the World leaders and look solemn and statesmanlike, shake hands with Zelensky and look all tough.  You literally can't buy an opportunity like that, you'd think he'd have made it a cornerstone of his campaign and instead he tried to wriggle out of it.  I cannot understand what the thinking was.

I mean look how easy it was





https://xcancel.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1798829922150125855

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« Reply #4386 on: June 7, 2024, 09:46:58 am »
Was just thinking the same thing, it's an astonishing lack of judgement.  You can stand next to all the World leaders and look solemn and statesmanlike, shake hands with Zelensky and look all tough.  You literally can't buy an opportunity like that, you'd think he'd have made it a cornerstone of his campaign and instead he tried to wriggle out of it.  I cannot understand what the thinking was.

Didn't want to potentially upset any Indian/Russian oil, arms and Infosys deals?
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« Reply #4387 on: June 7, 2024, 09:51:30 am »
I mean look how easy it was


https://xcancel.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1798829922150125855

The video in the link is a nice touch. Statesmanlike, human. It doesn't take much effort.

Really starting to believe that Sunak never really wanted this job and can't wait to get out of it.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4388 on: June 7, 2024, 09:56:46 am »
Montgomeries sounds pished again.
I've not heard him before - but that was my immediate impresshion.

From what he was saying about phoning around and getting no good answers, he probably thought he needed a bit of fortification.
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« Reply #4389 on: June 7, 2024, 10:01:05 am »
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« Reply #4390 on: June 7, 2024, 10:04:58 am »
Some reactions:

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Alex Cole-Hamilton, the Liberal Democrat leader in Scotland, has commented on Rishi Sunak’s decision to leave D-day commemorations in France early. He said:

During elections there are moments in time that don’t just punctuate the campaign, but can define or even end an entire career. Rishi Sunak’s abandonment of the D-day commemorations and the veterans we honour on the beaches of Normandy feels like one such moment.

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Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting has added to a chorus of disapproval of Rishi Sunak’s actions yesterday, saying it showed “the supreme arrogance of someone who thinks their time matters most and who doesn’t really understand what service means.”

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Tory commentator, Tim Montgomerie on Rishi Sunak leaving the 80th D-Day anniversary: “I want to put my head in my hands. If he came back for a political interview from the D-Day commemorations that is indefensible. It’s political malpractice of the highest order”

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Reform UK leader Nigel Frottage has also commented, saying “Patriotic people who love their country should not vote for him.”

Sunak's fucked. He's finished himself.

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« Reply #4391 on: June 7, 2024, 10:08:46 am »
Everything Sunak touches turns to shite.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4392 on: June 7, 2024, 10:15:29 am »
It's an astonishing mistake by Sunak. You'd have thought that he would want to spend as much time in Normandy as possible - what a photo opportunity for him. And a chance to look 'presidential'. And a chance to say some boilerplate stuff about freedom and democracy. Liz Truss would have been photod in the landing craft carrying a Union Jack.

He gets everything wrong. No wonder he killed so many people during Covid.
Bollocks. All those people who died in Normandy were just losers.
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« Reply #4393 on: June 7, 2024, 10:16:47 am »
In other news, Keith Vaz is an idiot.

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disgraced former Labour MP Keith Vaz has announced he is standing for election in his old seat, Leicester East, for a new local party.

Vaz will be taking on Labour, as well as his successor Claudia Webbe, who is standing as an independent candidate after being expelled from Labour over a conviction for harassment in 2021.

Vaz was the MP for Leicester East for 32 years, from 1987-2019, before he stepped down as a candidate after being caught in a tabloid sting offering to acquire cocaine for sex workers.

In a leaflet distributed to voters in the seat this week, Vaz said: “It was the greatest privilege of my life to serve as MP for Leicester East for over three decades. I absolutely love Leicester.

“Today, I am shocked with what I see. Despite so many opportunities, Leicester is unrecognisable, and on the edge of bankruptcy.

“Many people have urged me to stand again. I have decided to do so and accept the nomination of Leicester’s newest party, One Leicester, to be their candidate for one more term. Although I have always held Labour values, I promise to put Leicester first and party politics second.”

Vaz told the Guardian last year that he would not stand as an MP again, saying: “That ship has sailed.”

Because the best way you can help Leicester is by trying to split the Labour vote, right Keith? ::)
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4394 on: June 7, 2024, 10:23:33 am »
https://xcancel.com/adambienkov/status/1798981053807558736?s=46

Wow

Ironically the backlash would have probably been less had he not gone at all. Going and leaving early was likely the worst option!
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4395 on: June 7, 2024, 10:25:17 am »
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Ed Davey: Sunak 'abandoned' veterans, 'let down our country', and has 'brought shame' to office of PM

Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey said Rishi Sunak’s actions in leaving D-day commemorations in France early had brought shame to the office of prime minister.

PA Media report he said:

    One of the greatest privileges of the office of prime minister is to be there to honour those who served, yet Rishi Sunak abandoned them on the beaches of Normandy.

    He has brought shame to that office and let down our country.

    I am thinking right now of all those veterans and their families he left behind and the hurt they must be feeling. It is a total dereliction of duty and shows why this Conservative Government just has to go.

Sunak has apologised, saying “After the conclusion of the British event in Normandy, I returned back to the UK. On reflection, it was a mistake not to stay in France longer – and I apologise.”


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Rishi Sunak is being accused of “not getting what it is to be a prime minister” after skipping the major international D-day ceremony, former Downing Street communications chief Craig Oliver has said.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that D-day was known about as soon as Sunak called the general election.

“And I think if you’re planning these things, you’ve got to say ‘look, that’s going to block the prime minister out’. It’s a very important moment for the country. But it’s also a very important moment to show that you’re being prime ministerial.

“And the problem for Rishi Sunak this morning is he’s accused of not getting what it is to be a prime minister and what his duties are as a prime minister.”


This is probably the most damning view I've seen

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Sky News political correspondent Tamara Cohen has also posted to social media to say she feels it is a “significant” campaign moment. She said “Tories fighting for their seats see it as unforgivable unforced error – after the party has tried to appeal to older voters with announcements like national service.”

She added “Unless there was something else going on here than desire to do a political interview, feels significant.”

I say this because I feel Sunak's apology was aimed more at Tory candidates than veterans or the British people. He can't even say sorry right.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4396 on: June 7, 2024, 10:41:13 am »
Genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.
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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4397 on: June 7, 2024, 10:50:56 am »
This is a glorious glorious moment.

You’re losing votes to Reform? Show patriotism to our military who died for us. That would help

You’re losing votes to labour? Don’t let their leader be seen with heads of state, the king etc etc when you’ve fucked off to do an interview to cover your arse about lying.


It is the perfect storm of a fuck up, this was the easiest thing to get right, and he’s fucked himself both ways.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4398 on: June 7, 2024, 10:55:04 am »
Genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

Sunak’s destroying the party from the inside.  First by calling the election, then lying and now this.

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Re: UK General Election - July 4th, here we go folks.
« Reply #4399 on: June 7, 2024, 10:55:42 am »
some interesting background to the situation:

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Sunak’s decision to head home early from D-day could have been explained away by a claim to be working on official business. Unfortunately, his cover was blown after it was revealed he had spent some of the afternoon recording an interview with ITV political journalist Paul Brand.

Extraordinarily, that interview will not be shown in full until next Wednesday night. It was part of a series of pre-recorded ITV interviews with political party leaders that will be broadcast throughout the election campaign – meaning Sunak could have recorded it at any point in the next four days.

On Thursday evening ITV decided to release a short taster clip from the longer interview, in which Sunak was challenged about his tax claims, hoping to attract some coverage ahead of Friday night’s televised debate between party representatives. Instead, the clip mainly served to highlight what Sunak had been up to when he headed back early from Normandy.

Brand, whose reporting helped bring down Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson during the partygate scandal, told viewers on ITV News: “Today was the slot we were offered … we don’t know why.”

Veterans minister Johnny Mercer trying to go on the offensive. It's not really landing very well.

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I get the outrage. It’s a mistake. It’s a significant mistake for which he’s apologised.

But I’m also not going to join the howls of the fake veterans supporters who say he doesn’t treat veterans correctly, because it’s not correct. Obviously it’s a mistake. The prime minister on these visits receives a lot of advice on what he should and shouldn’t be doing.

I’ve spoken to the prime minister this morning and obviously it’s disappointing, but I do find the faux outrage from people who’ve done nothing but make my life difficult trying to improve veterans’ affairs over the years is pretty nauseating, to be frank.

Just comes across as self indulgent indignation to me.
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