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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9240 on: November 8, 2024, 10:15:08 am »
The far right and conservatives have the advantage online of being backed by billionaires and various dark money groups, whereas the traditional left (not the laughable "Clinton left" of liberals in America) don't have Musk, Thiel, Mercer type figures advocating for them, pouring in millions to artificially boost the profiles of these individuals, rigging algorithms and other nefarious means.

There are plenty of positive role models out there on the left, engaging in real issues that aren't centered solely around identity politics but their reach is tiny, even the most prominent ones are dwarfed by those on further right, they don't get a season ticket to Joe Rogan like lots of these no marks on the right do or the billionaires dark money from lobby groups to build huge profiles. Unfortunately unless you advocate for the very worst elements of the ultra rich capitalist class you get nowhere.

They also have the advantage of being held to.much lower standards than the left. If a left leaning candidate came with the baggage Trump has, they'd be evicerated in an election.

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« Reply #9241 on: November 8, 2024, 10:15:25 am »
So in 2020 with the same celeb endorsements (in 2008 & 2012 too) when Biden swept the board this was an effecting issue?

Did we have the same grand narratives of "we told you so" and "out of touch" about GOP strategies of denying healthcare, racism, misogyny, tax cuts for the rich were losing issues and how they need to change...? Nope, did we fk and they'd just lost 3 out of the last 4 elections.
It feels like, in general, the electorate have less warmth towards celebrities now.  There are still the over-the-top fans that will become hysteric in the vicinity of them but there's generally an equally explosive backlash.  Taylor Swift's encroachment on NFL a case in point and the ongoing backlash against "nepo babies".

I didn't keep a tally of the Democratic endorsements but billionaire Swift and middle-aged(+) millionaires Eminem, Samuel L Jackson and Bruce Springsteen were never likely to connect with the demographics that Harris was losing.

Whilst most rational people will think Jake Paul is a twat he is far more of a peer to under 30s.

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« Reply #9242 on: November 8, 2024, 10:15:59 am »
I didn't mention twitter. I said the other platforms lean more left. Which research shows they do. And yea people go to Twitter people politicians on both sides use the platform more.

But Twitter was left leaning before 3 years ago. Again, I think it's just a shit fucking excuse from people to blame social media. Does it have an effect? Sure, is it the reason why she lost? Fuck no.

No it doesn't. Your little research links show that democratic voters use a couple of those platforms more than repub voters which in general means fuck all to the point your trying to make.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9243 on: November 8, 2024, 10:21:56 am »
No it doesn't. Your little research links show that democratic voters use a couple of those platforms more than repub voters which in general means fuck all to the point your trying to make.

He seems to misunderstand that there is a world of difference between a platform being "left-leaning' because their user base is of a younger demographic and billionaire tech guy with his hands on the dial, completely manipulating a platform as a propaganda tool.
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« Reply #9244 on: November 8, 2024, 10:24:34 am »
Ah, so like the global inflationary crisis in 2022 that hugely raised prices and the cost of living sank Democrats?

Look I'm not saying the Democrat strategy was amazing, they did nothing wrong, no they need to make a significant changes in some areas but there is this curious phenomenon of when the right wing populists win elections they are vindicated, when they lose they just didn't double down hard enough and are still right.

Yet even when thr centre/liberal/left win elections they get told they need to compromise and adopt right wing policies and of course when they lose they need to now abandon all their principles and beliefs and swing hard to the right.

It did sink the Democrats. Lets not forget that inflation sank the Tories in the UK as well.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9245 on: November 8, 2024, 10:33:16 am »
When was the last time prices went down ?
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« Reply #9246 on: November 8, 2024, 10:36:06 am »
When was the last time prices went down ?

They don't, but inflation was at 11% in the UK. Thats a killer and people are definitely poorer now than they were pre-covid.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9247 on: November 8, 2024, 10:40:17 am »
I would much prefer to keep our distance have a work man like relationship rather than a close one. Sooner or later he will miscalculate something. In the meantime we need to work with Europe as much as possible. If only we were still in the EU. .


I mentioned something similar the other day, there is definitely a stronger argument now for building those bridges again on trade, because we'll get nothing out of the US now except tariffs. Whether Starmer has the balls to do so remains to be seen, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

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« Reply #9248 on: November 8, 2024, 10:41:22 am »
I mentioned something similar the other day, there is definitely a stronger argument now for building those bridges again on trade, because we'll get nothing out of the US now except tariffs. Whether Starmer has the balls to do so remains to be seen, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

I reckon it won't be long until Lammy is stripped of that role as well.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9249 on: November 8, 2024, 10:44:46 am »
They don't, but inflation was at 11% in the UK.

2.4% in the US.  And the majority think they're victims of incompetence. Smh.
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9250 on: November 8, 2024, 10:46:27 am »
When was the last time prices went down ?

US is currently in a period of disinflation with some deflation occuring in certain areas.
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« Reply #9251 on: November 8, 2024, 10:51:01 am »
I reckon it won't be long until Lammy is stripped of that role as well.

I would have paid good money to have been in the room when him and Starmer had burgers at Trump tower, I couldn't imagine it being at all awkward...

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« Reply #9252 on: November 8, 2024, 10:53:36 am »
But you're inadvertently confirming that point. It was the communication that was bad in this case, not least because what you call right-wing framing is in most cases traditional framing. A great many people, even if they agree with trans rights in many other areas, are less keen when it comes to sharing restrooms or letting XY people into female sports. That's why you don't shout that part out loud. Sometimes you need to wait for society to catch up, which is why the Democrats wouldn't go near gay marriage in the 90s.

On a secondary point, this last sentence is a brilliant indicator of why progressives keep losing. The right sets out to charm and cajole majority groups while the left stamps its feet, demands you agree and then calls you a Nazi if you don't. The fact you know you're right has nothing to do with persuading other people to agree, and a party constantly trying to align itself with the most progressive social outlook and language is just as sure a loser in the US as it would be in Australia.

My remarks are based on the words on the page of your article. Your response to my remarks only makes sense if the Biden policy explicitly said that anyone can use whatever bathroom they want and play on women's sport teams regardless of sex. But the article didn't provide any detail about the policy. I've not read it: the author, and now you, are demanding that I accept their excoriating judgement without providing any evidence. It's not about me being haughty and superior and thinking I know better.

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« Reply #9253 on: November 8, 2024, 11:04:16 am »
I reckon it won't be long until Lammy is stripped of that role as well.

The Republicans have already said that Trump doesn't forget and that Lammy wont be welcome (or words to that affect).

He's fine with Starmer, though, apparently - he likes the fact that he's a knight.

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« Reply #9254 on: November 8, 2024, 11:06:44 am »
I would have paid good money to have been in the room when him and Starmer had burgers at Trump tower, I couldn't imagine it being at all awkward...

Apparently Lammy and Vance get on really well. Hopefully they can forge a good relationship, we need all the friends we can get in this world.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9255 on: November 8, 2024, 11:09:40 am »
Apparently Lammy and Vance get on really well. Hopefully they can forge a good relationship, we need all the friends we can get in this world.

Friends with Trump, no thanks. They need to work with them, but they don't have to be close and they should be very careful with how they go about that. They need to put more work in with Europe.
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9256 on: November 8, 2024, 11:29:03 am »
It did sink the Democrats. Lets not forget that inflation sank the Tories in the UK as well.
The two biggest sticks used to beat the centre-left Democrats are also the two biggest sticks that were used to beat the centre-right Tories; cost of living and immigration.  Although both lost the the Tories fared far, far worse than the Democrats which is probably due to other factors (such as the existence of viable 'protest vote' parties and that the Tories had accumulated so much baggage from austerity, Brexit, Johnson, Truss etc.).  As others have pointed out the US under Biden weathered the storm better than most countries.

I'd guess the Trump/Fox view would be that the Tories are also a centre-left party as they surely align themselves more closely with Reform UK.  We'll get to see in real-time if right-wing policies are the cure, certainly trickle-down economics as a concept seems something US voters buy into a lot more than in the UK.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9257 on: November 8, 2024, 11:31:47 am »
Friends with Trump, no thanks. They need to work with them, but they don't have to be close and they should be very careful with how they go about that. They need to put more work in with Europe.
I think that's a given with Starmer but not something we should take for granted.  I don't think the US will go as off the rails as Project 2025 hints at but I also don't think the rest of the world should continue relying on them to police democracy across the globe.  Europe needs to be a self-sufficient block that is capable of defending its own interests, especially against the obvious threats but also against a protectionist US.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9258 on: November 8, 2024, 12:47:54 pm »

He's fine with Starmer, though, apparently - he likes the fact that he's a knight white.
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9259 on: November 8, 2024, 01:05:00 pm »
Treat Trump Like a Normal President
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After Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, Barack Obama dutifully carried out the peaceful transfer of power. But a large faction of Americans declined to treat Trump as a president with democratic legitimacy. In their telling, he lost the popular vote, urged foreign actors to interfere in the election, broke laws, and transgressed against the unwritten rules of liberal societies. So they fancied themselves members of the “resistance,” or waged lawfare, or urged the invocation of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Immediately after Trump’s inauguration, liberal groups started to push for his impeachment and removal from office.

Now Trump is returning to the White House. But history isn’t quite repeating itself. This time, Trump’s case for democratic legitimacy is far stronger. He won the Electoral College decisively, and he appears likely to win the popular vote. No one believes that a foreign nation was responsible for his victory. Although he still has legal problems stemming from his past actions, no one alleges illegality in this campaign. For all of those reasons and more, a 2016-style resistance to Trump is now untenable. He will begin his term as a normal president.

A small faction of Trump detractors may continue to say that he is illegitimate, because they believe that he should have been convicted during his impeachment, or because they see his attempts to overturn his election loss in 2020 as disqualifying, or because they believe he is a fascist.

But that approach will be less popular than ever, even among Trump opponents, because an opposition that purports to defend democracy cannot deny legitimacy to such a clear democratic winner; because the original resistance oversold enough of its allegations to diminish its ability to make new ones without proof; because some in the resistance are exhausted from years of obsessive, at times hysterical, focus on Trump; and because unaligned Americans who don’t even like Trump are tired of being browbeaten for not hating him enough.

Maybe voters made a terrible mistake in 2024. But that’s a risk of democracy, so we must live with it. I have strong doubts about Trump’s character, his respect for the Constitution, and his judgment. I worry that his administration will engage in reckless spending and cruelty toward immigrants. Having opposed government overreach and civil-liberties abuses during every presidency I’ve covered, I anticipate having a lot of libertarian objections to Trump in coming years.

Yet a part of me is glad that, if Trump had to win, the results are clear enough to make Resistance 2.0 untenable, because that approach failed to stop Trump the first time around. It deranged many Americans who credulously believed all of the resistance’s claims, and it foreclosed a posture toward Trump that strikes me as more likely to yield good civic results: normal political opposition.

The American system makes effecting radical or reckless change hard.

As a Never Trump voter who thought January 6 was disqualifying but who respects the results of this election, I urge this from fellow Trump skeptics: Stop indulging the fantasy that outrage, social stigma, language policing, a special counsel, the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, or impeachment will disappear him. And stop talking as if normal political opposition is capitulation. 

Everyone should normalize Trump. If he does something good, praise him. Trump is remarkably susceptible to flattery. Don’t hesitate to criticize him when he does something bad, but avoid overstatements. They are self-discrediting. And know that new House elections are just two years away. Focus on offering a better alternative to voters, not ousting the person they chose.

Meanwhile, oppose Trump’s bad ideas by drawing on the normal tools Americans use to constrain all presidents. Our constitutional and civic checks on executive power are formidable, frustrating every administration. So be the John Boehner to his Obama. Even if ill intent exists in Trump’s inscrutable mind, his coalition does not wish to end democracy. Some will turn on the president when he merely has trouble fulfilling basic promises.

And in America, power remains dispersed––the left never succeeded in shortsighted efforts to end the filibuster, or to destroy federalism and states’ rights, or to strip the private sector of independence from the state, or to allow the executive branch to define and police alleged misinformation.

Until 2028, normal checks can constrain Trump. Then he will term out. Yes, he will almost certainly do some troubling things in the meantime: impose tariffs that will harm Americans with rising prices or carry out excessive deportations that needlessly harm families and communities. But he has a mandate for some lawful parts of his agenda, including parts that I personally hate.

Amid the give-and-take of democratic politics, I hope that Trump will normalize himself too. Through what he says and does, he could reassure voters who regard him as a fascist with dictatorial aspirations, rather than deploying rhetoric—let alone taking actions—that elicit reasonable concern or fear. He may even try reassurance, if only because it would be in his own self-interest.

A Trump who reassures the nation that he will adhere to the law, the Constitution, and basic human decency—and then does so—will inspire a lot less opposition than a Trump who indulges the excesses of his first term and reminds Americans why they rejected his bid in 2020.

“We’re going to help our country heal,” Trump promised on Election Night. He has all the power he needs to make good on that promise, which will require restraining his worst impulses. If he succeeds, he will earn a historical legacy far better than the one he has today. I doubt that he has it in him. Typically, his word is not his bond. But I hope that he proves me wrong.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9260 on: November 8, 2024, 01:06:04 pm »
I can't wait for the wars to end and cost of living to go down.

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« Reply #9261 on: November 8, 2024, 01:07:00 pm »
I can't wait for the wars to end and cost of living to go down.

Things will never go back to pre COVID.  This is now the new normal.

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« Reply #9262 on: November 8, 2024, 01:33:27 pm »
This is just not true, especially in the UK.

Mail, Telegraph, Times, Express, c*nt paper - Right
Guardian, Mirror - Left

Even the BBC is filled with tory plants at the highest level.

I wasn't talking about the UK.

Look it doesn't matter what me or you think really does it. I read today that the Joe Rogan podcast with Musk got 68m views on YouTube i think it was. The Trump one im guessing got similar numbers but the point is the mantra that the main stream media is dead isn't just a mantra anymore, it's in your face reality and the democrats need to find a way to harness social media instead of trying to ban it or cry about it.

Young people aren't looking at Rachel Maddow or Whoppie Goldberg and taking their opinions onboard when they enter the voting booth because they don't watch either of them.

The power of social media has won this election for Trump. Every other idiot from Rogan to Patrick Bet David has been telling people inflation is out of control in America for the last year and nothing could be further from the truth but people listen and believe. Democrats/The Left need to counter these muppets with facts in that new media environment. It's like they are stuck in 2012 still and it's frankly bizarre.
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9263 on: November 8, 2024, 01:33:40 pm »
Things will never go back to pre COVID.  This is now the new normal.
It might equalise somewhat if prices stagnate and wages/benefits slowly rise.  I agree though that we're never going back to prices pre-Covid and pre-Brexit.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9264 on: November 8, 2024, 01:47:43 pm »
Things will never go back to pre COVID.  This is now the new normal.

Yes they will. Trump will see to that.

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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9265 on: November 8, 2024, 01:54:38 pm »
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« Reply #9266 on: November 8, 2024, 02:11:08 pm »
Bob Casey gone from the Senate in PA.

He spent the last few weeks even trying to cosy up to Trump policies on trade and tariffs.

Classic Dem move of losing the narrative and moving to the right in a desperate attempt and losing anyway.  Nice one.

At least Rosen in NV and Gallego in AZ look like they'll just about sneak it.  53-47 Senate isn't a disaster.  It looked like 55-45 or even 56-44 was on the cards on election night.
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« Reply #9267 on: November 8, 2024, 02:13:01 pm »
Things will never go back to pre COVID.  This is now the new normal.

I presume there is a bit of sarcasm in those posts you are quoting.

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« Reply #9268 on: November 8, 2024, 02:13:30 pm »
Yes they will. Trump will see to that.

I woke up today and the migrant problem in America was solved. Just like that.

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« Reply #9269 on: November 8, 2024, 02:14:12 pm »
2.4% in the US.  And the majority think they're victims of incompetence. Smh.

Too late, damage has been done and prices have already shot up.

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« Reply #9270 on: November 8, 2024, 02:33:21 pm »
Re: inflation, I think the double whammy is that people are seeing the prices rise on everyday goods at the supermarket but likely have not seen their wages rise in line with inflation. So they are feeling it in their pocket book on a weekly basis.

I know Harris pledged to do something about it but for my money one of the great failures of post-COVID governments in a lot of countries was a lack of willingness to immediately go after some corporations who have been likely price gouging the same way postwar governments went after wartime profiteers

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« Reply #9271 on: November 8, 2024, 02:43:29 pm »
Bob Casey gone from the Senate in PA.

He spent the last few weeks even trying to cosy up to Trump policies on trade and tariffs.

Classic Dem move of losing the narrative and moving to the right in a desperate attempt and losing anyway.  Nice one.

At least Rosen in NV and Gallego in AZ look like they'll just about sneak it.  53-47 Senate isn't a disaster.  It looked like 55-45 or even 56-44 was on the cards on election night.

That Gallego was even close tells you everything you need to know about the voting populace in Arizona. Kari Lake was the biggest fucking clown alive next to Trump. She's spent 4 years suing on her last loss - getting eviscerated by every court possible. Yet it was a close race. Mind boggles.
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9272 on: November 8, 2024, 02:54:56 pm »
I can't wait for the wars to end and cost of living to go down.

I can't wait to lose my health insurance.  That's going to be fun

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« Reply #9273 on: November 8, 2024, 02:59:27 pm »
Treat Trump Like a Normal President
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After Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, Barack Obama dutifully carried out the peaceful transfer of power. But a large faction of Americans declined to treat Trump as a president with democratic legitimacy. In their telling, he lost the popular vote, urged foreign actors to interfere in the election, broke laws, and transgressed against the unwritten rules of liberal societies. So they fancied themselves members of the “resistance,” or waged lawfare, or urged the invocation of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Immediately after Trump’s inauguration, liberal groups started to push for his impeachment and removal from office.

Now Trump is returning to the White House. But history isn’t quite repeating itself. This time, Trump’s case for democratic legitimacy is far stronger. He won the Electoral College decisively, and he appears likely to win the popular vote. No one believes that a foreign nation was responsible for his victory. Although he still has legal problems stemming from his past actions, no one alleges illegality in this campaign. For all of those reasons and more, a 2016-style resistance to Trump is now untenable. He will begin his term as a normal president.

A small faction of Trump detractors may continue to say that he is illegitimate, because they believe that he should have been convicted during his impeachment, or because they see his attempts to overturn his election loss in 2020 as disqualifying, or because they believe he is a fascist.

But that approach will be less popular than ever, even among Trump opponents, because an opposition that purports to defend democracy cannot deny legitimacy to such a clear democratic winner; because the original resistance oversold enough of its allegations to diminish its ability to make new ones without proof; because some in the resistance are exhausted from years of obsessive, at times hysterical, focus on Trump; and because unaligned Americans who don’t even like Trump are tired of being browbeaten for not hating him enough.

Maybe voters made a terrible mistake in 2024. But that’s a risk of democracy, so we must live with it. I have strong doubts about Trump’s character, his respect for the Constitution, and his judgment. I worry that his administration will engage in reckless spending and cruelty toward immigrants. Having opposed government overreach and civil-liberties abuses during every presidency I’ve covered, I anticipate having a lot of libertarian objections to Trump in coming years.

Yet a part of me is glad that, if Trump had to win, the results are clear enough to make Resistance 2.0 untenable, because that approach failed to stop Trump the first time around. It deranged many Americans who credulously believed all of the resistance’s claims, and it foreclosed a posture toward Trump that strikes me as more likely to yield good civic results: normal political opposition.

The American system makes effecting radical or reckless change hard.

As a Never Trump voter who thought January 6 was disqualifying but who respects the results of this election, I urge this from fellow Trump skeptics: Stop indulging the fantasy that outrage, social stigma, language policing, a special counsel, the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, or impeachment will disappear him. And stop talking as if normal political opposition is capitulation. 

Everyone should normalize Trump. If he does something good, praise him. Trump is remarkably susceptible to flattery. Don’t hesitate to criticize him when he does something bad, but avoid overstatements. They are self-discrediting. And know that new House elections are just two years away. Focus on offering a better alternative to voters, not ousting the person they chose.

Meanwhile, oppose Trump’s bad ideas by drawing on the normal tools Americans use to constrain all presidents. Our constitutional and civic checks on executive power are formidable, frustrating every administration. So be the John Boehner to his Obama. Even if ill intent exists in Trump’s inscrutable mind, his coalition does not wish to end democracy. Some will turn on the president when he merely has trouble fulfilling basic promises.

And in America, power remains dispersed––the left never succeeded in shortsighted efforts to end the filibuster, or to destroy federalism and states’ rights, or to strip the private sector of independence from the state, or to allow the executive branch to define and police alleged misinformation.

Until 2028, normal checks can constrain Trump. Then he will term out. Yes, he will almost certainly do some troubling things in the meantime: impose tariffs that will harm Americans with rising prices or carry out excessive deportations that needlessly harm families and communities. But he has a mandate for some lawful parts of his agenda, including parts that I personally hate.

Amid the give-and-take of democratic politics, I hope that Trump will normalize himself too. Through what he says and does, he could reassure voters who regard him as a fascist with dictatorial aspirations, rather than deploying rhetoric—let alone taking actions—that elicit reasonable concern or fear. He may even try reassurance, if only because it would be in his own self-interest.

A Trump who reassures the nation that he will adhere to the law, the Constitution, and basic human decency—and then does so—will inspire a lot less opposition than a Trump who indulges the excesses of his first term and reminds Americans why they rejected his bid in 2020.

“We’re going to help our country heal,” Trump promised on Election Night. He has all the power he needs to make good on that promise, which will require restraining his worst impulses. If he succeeds, he will earn a historical legacy far better than the one he has today. I doubt that he has it in him. Typically, his word is not his bond. But I hope that he proves me wrong.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/treat-trump-like-a-normal-president/ar-AA1tJXS9?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=094919df19b44f5f902ea3df931e4034&ei=12

Hard but true.
Nahh, am not impressed, seems a lot of contradictions, one minute he's accusing people of not accepting the result of the 2016 election as the motive to impeach Trump but then goes on to give the reasons for the twice failed attempts to impeach Trump.
I don't think anyone expected the impeachments to succeed but they were a opportunity to give the public the evidence. a opportunity for Trumps treachery to be wrote into the history books.
Theres a lot of people beating the Dems up right now for all sorts of reasons, ive no problem with any criticism over Biden or Harris but we should never turn a blind eye to what Trump did, that's what he's asking for, he thinks we should ignore Trumps crimes and treason as attacking him over it isn't a vote winner.
I think the day that happens is the day to pack it all in and concede the corrupt lying traitors have won.
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« Reply #9274 on: November 8, 2024, 02:59:47 pm »
Saw something on the twitter cesspool this morning that said the CEO of a company in Pennsylvania had a meeting with their workers and told them that they weren't getting Christmas bonuses this year because the company has to use the excess revenue to purchase additional goods before the tariffs are enacted.  No idea if it's real or not considering the source it came from but wouldn't surprise me if it was true. 

People who voted this fuck in are going to be regretting it very soon. 

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« Reply #9275 on: November 8, 2024, 03:01:12 pm »
Joe Gallego was even close tells you everything you need to know about the voting populace in Arizona. Kari Lake was the biggest fucking clown alive next to Trump. She's spent 4 years suing on her last loss - getting eviscerated by every court possible. Yet it was a close race. Mind boggles.

Yea, I can't believe how close that race is.  Lake is so terrible.  A classic Trumper without any Trump "likability."  Even in a though environment I thought Gallego would win fairly easily.  Can end up being a lucky break for the Dems (turns out a better candidate probably beats Gallego).
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Re: God didn't bless America
« Reply #9276 on: November 8, 2024, 03:21:22 pm »
Has the orange one made an appearance since Tuesday? I can barely listen to him or look at him, so I’m not exactly keeping track, but I’ve not seen any clips or quotes or anything.

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« Reply #9277 on: November 8, 2024, 03:25:46 pm »
His phone is ringing off the hook with calls from foreign leaders asking "How much?"

Repugs will give a new meaning to Trans.
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« Reply #9278 on: November 8, 2024, 03:35:39 pm »
Under 'normal' circumstances, I'd be willing to accept the results without question.

Having Musk in so late and so strong, imo, we owe it to the process to at least be certain that no 'adjustment' to the tabulation process could've been made.

Hopefully, we have some clever dicks checking it out.
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« Reply #9279 on: November 8, 2024, 05:04:58 pm »
Saw something on the twitter cesspool this morning that said the CEO of a company in Pennsylvania had a meeting with their workers and told them that they weren't getting Christmas bonuses this year because the company has to use the excess revenue to purchase additional goods before the tariffs are enacted.  No idea if it's real or not considering the source it came from but wouldn't surprise me if it was true. 

People who voted this fuck in are going to be regretting it very soon.

I said it before but honestly, let them touch the stove. You voted for this, you accepted an easy narrative and didn't engage, so you get what you fucking deserve. You get exactly what you asked for.

It sounds callous but these guys voted for it.

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