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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15640 on: October 24, 2022, 08:25:50 pm »
No....

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He was referring to Aegon the conqueror. He thought he was speaking to Rhaenyra. Maybe had lost his sight at this stage. Hence why he said "it is you" (Rhaenyra).
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Ah cheers.

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that's what I said to the wife. Aegon the conquerors vision was about Jon Snow right?
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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15641 on: October 24, 2022, 08:27:16 pm »
Hang on, there’s two Aegons?

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« Reply #15642 on: October 24, 2022, 08:31:05 pm »
Hang on, there’s two Aegons?

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Well if you've read the GOT books there's actually more than that  ;D
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« Reply #15643 on: October 24, 2022, 08:31:56 pm »
Well if you've read the GOT books there's actually more than that  ;D
Oh FFS

How can I keep up with that?!
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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15644 on: October 24, 2022, 08:37:22 pm »
Ah cheers.

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that's what I said to the wife. Aegon the conquerors vision was about Jon Snow right?
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Indeed.

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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15645 on: October 24, 2022, 08:47:57 pm »
Hang on, there’s two Aegons?

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There are loads of Aegons.
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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15646 on: October 24, 2022, 08:51:05 pm »
Oh FFS

How can I keep up with that?!

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« Reply #15647 on: October 24, 2022, 08:55:16 pm »
Has anyone been keeping up with Helena's warnings? In episode 8 she said, "beware the beast under the boards," which is about Rhaenys and her dragon. She also came up with another warning just before her brother lost his eye.
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« Reply #15648 on: October 24, 2022, 09:02:45 pm »
There were at least four tough to watch baby/birth scenes in this season. Someone obviously is having this sick fetish about that

i think there were 5 birth scenes in the season (i might be wrong on that), i generally hate birth scenes in shows/movies cos the majority aren't remotely needed and are just done like a paint by numbers, and was fed up with what felt like continious birth scenes through the season

that said, i reckon you could argue that two of the birth scenes were significant enough in their outcome/process to the story to show - the first one for sure (the king's choice whether to cut or not)

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and arguably the last as they're clearly ramping up the pressure on dragon girl and other elements come into play, eg daemon hearing his wife screaming through birthing troubles with total disregard as he prepares for war (in an era where dying from giving birth is not unusual...)
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i guess you could also argue for the one where alicent demands to see the baby immediately after delivery to highlight the unreasonable and callous nature of such a demand on a woman who has just gone through childbirth and what that tells us about alicent

but yeah, they were wearing on me through the season - i'd been happy enough with just the first one, that one was necessary screen time without doubt
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« Reply #15649 on: October 24, 2022, 09:05:42 pm »
The map table is really cool. Good visual.

Enjoyed the series for the most part, pretty much every character is a c*nt but I am interested to see how they'll fuck each other over.

CGI dragons I found surprisingly a bit shit really. I expected better.

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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15650 on: October 24, 2022, 09:06:44 pm »
Hang on, there’s two Aegons?

Christ

The clue was maybe in his title, Aegon the Second?

Sorry to break this to you, but did you not see another Joffrey as well?

I just got this episode, and last weeks, a lot more than all of the others. It all just clicked in to place for me. The character development really paid off with the two seperate casts over the last two weeks. Finally got to the point where I know who is who. And will need to wait another two years to see what happens next, nice.

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« Reply #15651 on: October 24, 2022, 09:12:45 pm »
I do somehow think that I've watched a pilot for a tv show yet to start though after that ending.

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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15652 on: October 24, 2022, 10:42:57 pm »
Ah cheers.

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that's what I said to the wife. Aegon the conquerors vision was about Jon Snow right?
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Probably yeah, although with that season 8 of GOT, his vision doesn't make any sense. Jon Snow's role wasn't even that significant in all that mess. Therefore i hope the fat bastard is going to end his book differently from that terrible ending of the show.

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« Reply #15653 on: October 24, 2022, 10:47:08 pm »
Probably yeah, although with that season 8 of GOT, his vision doesn't make any sense. Jon Snow's role wasn't even that significant in all that mess. Therefore i hope the fat bastard is going to end his book differently from that terrible ending of the show.



D&D said they chose Arya to kill the night king to subvert expectations. I imagine Jon will have a much bigger role in the book, if we do ever get it.
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« Reply #15654 on: October 24, 2022, 10:57:15 pm »
Probably yeah, although with that season 8 of GOT, his vision doesn't make any sense. Jon Snow's role wasn't even that significant in all that mess. Therefore i hope the fat bastard is going to end his book differently from that terrible ending of the show.

He has already said the book will end differently.
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« Reply #15655 on: October 24, 2022, 11:50:34 pm »
Essential viewing

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« Reply #15656 on: October 25, 2022, 08:49:30 am »
D&D said they chose Arya to kill the night king to subvert expectations. I imagine Jon will have a much bigger role in the book, if we do ever get it.

The prophecy also said a Targaryen should be on the Throne when the Walkers come no? In the show that is also not the case. Nothing in the show really made any sense at all at the end.
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« Reply #15657 on: October 25, 2022, 09:20:06 am »
Who says prophecies are always correct?

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« Reply #15658 on: October 25, 2022, 09:31:33 am »
I think this season and everything set up in it was simply great. It starts slowly, but boy oh boy did it build up to a mighty fine crescendo. Can't wait for season two.

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« Reply #15659 on: October 25, 2022, 09:33:00 am »
The prophecy also said a Targaryen should be on the Throne when the Walkers come no? In the show that is also not the case. Nothing in the show really made any sense at all at the end.

I wouldn't even try to get your head around some of the story telling in that last season  ;D

Thank god this show's writing is a million miles away from that shite.

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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15660 on: October 25, 2022, 01:27:59 pm »
D&D said they chose Arya to kill the night king to subvert expectations. I imagine Jon will have a much bigger role in the book, if we do ever get it.

Well they did subvert the expectations, i give them that, the c*nts.
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« Reply #15661 on: October 25, 2022, 05:58:33 pm »
Goosebumps at the end of that, Rhaenera with the ‘fuck about and find out’ look was *chef’s kiss*

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« Reply #15662 on: October 25, 2022, 07:16:41 pm »
So has season 2 of what we are currently watching been written and published?

I admit I’ve not read anything of GGRM.
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« Reply #15663 on: October 25, 2022, 07:24:01 pm »
So has season 2 of what we are currently watching been written and published?

I admit I’ve not read anything of GGRM.

Yeah mate, It's called Fire & Blood.

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« Reply #15664 on: October 25, 2022, 07:48:28 pm »
Yeah mate, It's called Fire & Blood.


Cool thanks mate

Someone said it was in 2 volumes I just thought they meant season 1 was vol 1 if you get me
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« Reply #15665 on: October 25, 2022, 08:20:15 pm »

Cool thanks mate

Someone said it was in 2 volumes I just thought they meant season 1 was vol 1 if you get me

Ah right, I haven't read it but from what I understand the book has the full story that the tv show plans to cover, If I remember correctly season 1 is only like 50 pages in the book. Some people here have read it so they would know more than me though.

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« Reply #15666 on: October 25, 2022, 08:23:30 pm »
Ah right, I haven't read it but from what I understand the book has the full story that the tv show plans to cover, If I remember correctly season 1 is only like 50 pages in the book. Some people here have read it so they would know more than me though.

Good stuff

I’m so into the story I may start the book as I can’t be sitting about 18 months fir s2!
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« Reply #15667 on: October 25, 2022, 08:28:45 pm »
Good stuff

I’m so into the story I may start the book as I can’t be sitting about 18 months fir s2!

Yeah I'm the same I just ordered it myself, I need to know what happens next lol

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« Reply #15668 on: October 25, 2022, 08:58:18 pm »
Yeah I'm the same I just ordered it myself, I need to know what happens next lol

I am sure you will enjoy it some interesting characters in the book, including one of the most gruesome deaths, I have read.  :o
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« Reply #15669 on: October 25, 2022, 09:17:55 pm »
Ah right, I haven't read it but from what I understand the book has the full story that the tv show plans to cover, If I remember correctly season 1 is only like 50 pages in the book. Some people here have read it so they would know more than me though.

Thats right, the whole succession dilemma that ran on for half of the tv season is only one chapter in the book.

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« Reply #15670 on: October 26, 2022, 06:59:21 am »
I don't want to wait until 2024 ;D

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« Reply #15671 on: October 27, 2022, 03:51:32 pm »
Enjoyed this season...pacing and everything was so similar to how season 1 of GoT was

I wouldn't put it in the same bracket as the original show yet (well, the seasons that are relevant not the crap one it ended with) but can potentially be very very good

All set up nicely

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« Reply #15672 on: October 27, 2022, 09:30:34 pm »
Enjoyed this season...pacing and everything was so similar to how season 1 of GoT was

I wouldn't put it in the same bracket as the original show yet (well, the seasons that are relevant not the crap one it ended with) but can potentially be very very good

All set up nicely

Team Aemond ;D

I know the actor who plays Aemond from a different show and I cannot get used to how horrible he is in this one. :D
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« Reply #15673 on: October 27, 2022, 11:19:58 pm »
Thought it was OK. Not a patch on the original show or its first series, but still watchable. It's just lacking the brilliant array of characters GoT had.

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« Reply #15675 on: October 29, 2022, 12:39:12 am »
D&D said they chose Arya to kill the night king to subvert expectations. I imagine Jon will have a much bigger role in the book, if we do ever get it.

That's interesting because the showrunners for the Rings of Power have also flagged that reason for their treatment of Sauron in the show (and other choices, i'd assume) - “We were concerned about a situation where the part of the audience steeped in lore is six or seven episodes ahead of the characters. If deception is an important part of the journey, we wanted to preserve that experience for book readers too."

That is a very precarious path to take, for me 'story' trumps everything and if 'forced' subterfuge hurts the story, then it's a wrong choice. I also think it shows a lack of understanding of fandom - fans of a show may well know what's coming if faithful to the book but that doesn't make it any less riveting. In fact it can do the opposite as fans "can't wait" to see THAT scene, they wait with bated breath to see [insert iconic moment here] on screen. Those familiar with animation star wars: if they did a movie covering Rebels you know what everyone can't wait to see - Ahsoka vs Vader, imagine they decide against that cos everyone knows it's coming.... just dumb. There are tons of examples we could all rattle off and let's just say the obvious one for this thread - Red Wedding  ;D

It's also a very odd stance as the main reason studios produce well known and loved IPs is because it gaurantees you a lot of chatter, an audience and following before a single episode is aired. To then piss off that audience by butchering a story because you dont want them to know what's coming is kind of brain dead. Of course changes are always going to be needed in adaptations of books but that's usually more of what you leave out/rework while still telling the same story in a compelling way - eg Jackson's LOTR trilogy.

With GOT it was somewhat different in that there was no 'finale' book to go by but subterfuge for the sake of it and allowing the story to suffer for it is kind of a rookie mistake. It demonstrates more a lack of creativity in not being able to tell a compelling story given that the route to the end has been flagged, in this case via prophecy. And even if the choice is the prophecy wasn't infallible and something else takes place, you can't just pull a plum out of your arse, again, it needs to be crafted well.
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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15676 on: October 30, 2022, 11:04:21 pm »
Enjoyed the series though could have done without the gruesome child birth scenes

I really enjoyed the politicking and back stabbing, very Plantagenet.

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« Reply #15677 on: October 31, 2022, 09:28:53 pm »
Just caught up on this. Last episode might have been the best episode of the season but it doesn't really change my thoughts on the overall season as a whole. Commercially it seems to be a huge success but I still think given time it will sour on people critically. The first half of the season was basically meaningless, some of the choices (child birth) are completely over the top as they add really nothing and if it wasn't for Matt Smith I'd say at times it was almost unwatchable.

The break in source material, while seemingly GRRM approved, are really baffling as well. The prophecy stuff just puts huge holes in all the other texts, Vhagar just having a mind of his own is a "uhhh what" type thing as Aemond is supposed to be the crazy Daemon version for the Greens and Alicent mishearing Viserys to give the Greens an excuse to crown Aegon was pointless as Otto clearly said he had planned it anyway. Supposedly Rhaenys and Meleys actions at the coronation weren't a break but that too just comes off weird, why not just fry everyone there to a crisp and be done with it? I get she later explained herself but it seemed more a service to put a dragon in the episode than actually add anything. Especially with what is to happen in the Dragonpit at the end, it's just bonkers.

Anyway. I think the bigger issue is that nobody can write dialogue like GRRM can in these settings so when the show runners can use his dialogue from the books then it's fine but as soon as they run out of it or with Fire & Blood don't really have it then it's a struggle. That at least gives me hope for Dunk & Egg as those were fully fleshed out stories and not a fake history like Fire & Blood is.

For headliner shows for me it's Andor>Rings>Dragon.

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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15678 on: October 31, 2022, 09:39:56 pm »
Just caught up on this. Last episode might have been the best episode of the season but it doesn't really change my thoughts on the overall season as a whole. Commercially it seems to be a huge success but I still think given time it will sour on people critically. The first half of the season was basically meaningless, some of the choices (child birth) are completely over the top as they add really nothing and if it wasn't for Matt Smith I'd say at times it was almost unwatchable.

The break in source material, while seemingly GRRM approved, are really baffling as well. The prophecy stuff just puts huge holes in all the other texts, Vhagar just having a mind of his own is a "uhhh what" type thing as Aemond is supposed to be the crazy Daemon version for the Greens and Alicent mishearing Viserys to give the Greens an excuse to crown Aegon was pointless as Otto clearly said he had planned it anyway. Supposedly Rhaenys and Meleys actions at the coronation weren't a break but that too just comes off weird, why not just fry everyone there to a crisp and be done with it? I get she later explained herself but it seemed more a service to put a dragon in the episode than actually add anything. Especially with what is to happen in the Dragonpit at the end, it's just bonkers.

Anyway. I think the bigger issue is that nobody can write dialogue like GRRM can in these settings so when the show runners can use his dialogue from the books then it's fine but as soon as they run out of it or with Fire & Blood don't really have it then it's a struggle. That at least gives me hope for Dunk & Egg as those were fully fleshed out stories and not a fake history like Fire & Blood is.

For headliner shows for me it's Andor>Rings>Dragon.

yep i had a problem with that and agree it was just to get a big spectacle in there, as i said earlier in the thread.

the thing is it would be so simple to have had that scene but just put the dragon just outside the doors looking in. For one she wouldn't have killed 10s if not 100s of common folk when she burst through the floor (but according to the showrunners she didn't execute the greens cos of 'mothers' - how fucking mothers did she kill with that entrance  ;D). Just have the dragon at the entrance looking in, she could fry them all but would have to go through 100s of common folk and she's not prepared to do that, which would be in keeping with how they've portrayed her in the show with having regard for 'the people'. It would've actually been a postive thing then, reinforcing the character's benevolent view towards 'the people' and you could still have had your spectacle.
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Re: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion
« Reply #15679 on: October 31, 2022, 09:49:33 pm »
That at least gives me hope for Dunk & Egg as those were fully fleshed out stories and not a fake history like Fire & Blood is.

I watched an interview with George recently where he mentioned he pitched 2 shows to HBO, one being HoTD and the other being Dunk & Egg which they weren't interested in at the time. I think with the success this is getting we will be getting more shows though so fingers crossed for Dunk & Egg.