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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #520 on: October 22, 2017, 06:21:51 pm »
No, he makes loads of fuck ups.

When did he last cost them points?
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #521 on: October 22, 2017, 06:21:58 pm »
If he thinks he's going to cut it at Juve he's deluded. He'll be there one year before he's playing for Sunderland. Dreadful footballer who pops up for the odd Hollywood moment. Reminiscent of Charlie Adam.

A little harsh but you're not far wrong.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #522 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:08 pm »
I don't see why people feel the need to mention Man Utd in this thread.

Actually I do.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #523 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:18 pm »
That ain't no elephant in the room. We, as a fanbase already moaned enough to allow shit owners to get rid of him. Are we going to do it to another top class manager? If we do we aint going to see another for a long time
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #524 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:38 pm »
That third and fourth goal were amateur stuff. You wont see a worse goal than the third one.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #525 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:44 pm »
The media will go for the kill.

Yup. Hammering the Everton and West Ham managers will only generate so much interest, trying to get the scalp of the Liverpool manager, someone who came in with a bit of a fanfare, will generate loads of talk and column inches. There are enough flaky fans out there who'll they'll get on side with minimal effort who they can get to tweet/ring in as well.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #526 on: October 22, 2017, 06:22:51 pm »
When did he last cost them points?

Haven't got the stats but with my eyes I've seen him make loads of fuck ups, alright?

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #527 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:00 pm »
It was clear this season will be tough for us after what happened this summer and I dont know why most here are blaming only Klopp. He over-achieved with this squad last season and its not easy to fix all of our issues with ~40m net spend. I dont get how come many don’t get that FSG are all about PR, talks of Liverpool are ready to spend 200m then we end up with 40m net spend and next summer it will be the same another low net spend.


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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #528 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:08 pm »
Ok well that was pretty horrendous. However there is not too much point going into the details of Lovren and Mignolet as these two are beyond help. You can't even form an argument in defense of them.

I think this first quarter of the season is a much needed reality check.

I'm worried for Jurgen because he has unwavering belief in quite honestly bang average players. The honest truth is not one keeper we have is good enough. Tottenham had a good one today, that's tottenham, not liverpool. 18 times league winners, 5 times CL winners etc but Tottenham, the perennial fuck all winners. So what happens now with the Goalkeepers, well i'll tell you...We either drop mignolet for Karius or Ward but the latter is unlikely or we keep him in but the reality is, none of them is good enough. Let's just say we drop Simon, we go to Karius who no doubt will have a similar game at some point once again making us question his credentials. We then possibly fall back on Ward, now i guess he's a bit of an unknown quantity at this level however i doubt he's the next Buffon, Clemence, Shilton and so on. I mean if he was i'm sure Jurgen would of been aware of that in training and threw him in. Because of the above the likelihood is we don't sign another keeper. 

On to the defence. One of the issues we have is the belief we'll be better when clyne come's back. Problem solved. Well no get that out of your head though his return would be welcome. Another illusion is that because Lovren is quite frankly an abomination it gives the impression Matip is good. He's alright Matip like but has the odd moment like today where he think he's done enough, doesn't really take responsibility for me, he's one of those defenders who half does his job, it's almost like his mental commitment isn't all there. He's kinda happy with just doing enough, well that's not enough.

Moreno is an interesting one, he's done well this season. Moreno here isn't the problem, it's our manager. I kind of have trouble turning from doubter to believer when you write someone off in favour of a 31 year old midfielder turned left back, sign another left back in preseason and then play the kid who you didn't select for most of the previous year. To me that screams of indecision, either a player is or isn't good enough. It's different from not playing someone for a few games, your talking a whole season. This is why i don't think Jurgen fixes the defense.

Midfield wise, emre is already at Juve. Why play someone who's head isn't here and at the same time isn't contributing anyway. Aside from Coutinho and Lallana nobody else is fit to wear the shirt in terms of talent. That's a blunt fact. Henderson isn't good enough, Milner also and Gini blows hot and cold and is far too inconsistent at top level. We moved for Keita for that exact reason. Hate to harp back to we are liverpool etc etc but take a good look at our midfield players down the years. If you can't deal with raising your game to them levels, you shouldn't be here.

Lastly i appreciate the effort Firmino puts in but i'm more arsed about the ball in the back of the net ultimately, he needs to find himself doing that more, somehow.

Also i don't expect any of the above to be fixed. We have tight owners who have spent 23.4m net per season. We have a manager who as great as he is (i believe he is) overstates the quality of what he has available which suits the owners perfectly yet it's a recipe for disaster on the pitch. I mean he knows a good players when he see's one. There's no comparison between the one's he had at dortmund and the one's he has here. Bar Phil,Mane & Salah.

Jurgen recently said we are in the middle of things right now. If that's the middle how the fuck is it worse than at the start.


 

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #529 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:08 pm »
Has Robertson shit on Klopp's dinner?

It's been said before, he is not up to speed yet.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #530 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:10 pm »
Sorry I love Klopp but he has to take blame.

To still have Mignolet as number 1
To still have Lovern
To still have no decent LB
To still have Henderson as DM
To still have no real top out and out forward
To still have no real leaders

It's a crime that he hasn't addressed the above.

These are things that Klopp should and needed to address.

Bang on, unfortunately.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #531 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:33 pm »
I know it's popular (and easy) to make this about individual players, and the solution is just different players. Fair enough. But what concerns me more is the lack of confidence the team is consistently exhibiting this season, particularly in defending, and how fragile we've become in adversity.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #532 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:47 pm »
Agree but we lack a spine and leaders.

And I think this is spot on!


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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #533 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:49 pm »
We were poor but you can't say that we were entirely to blame. We weren't playing a Sunday League side, we were playing a very good team who are in great form.


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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #534 on: October 22, 2017, 06:23:50 pm »
I'd have Robertson over Moreno...But Lovren should be gone...and Ming obviously

Can't say about Robertson. Moreno has improved this season, but apart from Clyne at RB, we don't have a real clear first pick at GK, LB or CB.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #535 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:02 pm »
Love him to death but if he wants to be so stubborn/stupid as to persist with the absolutely remedial defence we have and the car crash that are our goalkeepers then frankly he’d better get used to answering difficult questions. He’s got no one else to blame but himself and as amazing as the footy is to watch at times someone he trusts needs to tell him it’s not enough.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #536 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:04 pm »
Sorry I love Klopp but he has to take blame.

To still have Mignolet as number 1
To still have Lovern
To still have no decent LB
To still have Henderson as DM
To still have no real top out and out forward
To still have no real leaders

It's a crime that he hasn't addressed the above.

These are things that Klopp should and needed to address.

Moreno's been one of our best players this season.

Henderson's been our best midfielder this year, even though there wasn't much competition there.

Salah's proven to be a great out and out forward. Just need Mane back on the horse.

I think he's trying to work Karius back into starting contention by giving him more games to gain confidence. Otherwise you're looking at Ward.

The only points I would agree with you are that we need more kickass characters on and off the field, and Lovren.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #537 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:11 pm »
That was painful to watch!

Most painful since the Stoke humiliation in Gerrard's last game.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #538 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:22 pm »
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #539 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:25 pm »
Has Robertson shit on Klopp's dinner?

Moreno has played well. He ain't the problem. 
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #540 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:28 pm »
From Klopp post-match: "I can't say too much but if I am on the pitch in this situation then Kane doesn't get the ball." Ouch.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #541 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:30 pm »
Made all our classic mistakes all in one game.

Btw, Schmeichel doesn't like Klopp - takes every opportunity to put the knife in.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #542 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:38 pm »
Sorry I love Klopp but he has to take blame.

To still have Mignolet as number 1
To still have Lovern
To still have no decent LB
To still have Henderson as DM
To still have no real top out and out forward
To still have no real leaders

It's a crime that he hasn't addressed the above.

These are things that Klopp should and needed to address.
Spot on

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #543 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:41 pm »
It's not enough for a team to make mistakes, you have to take advantage of those mistakes, or were we perfect defensively against United?

There should not be 4 defensive mistakes in a game!  :butt

Utd didn’t put our defence under any pressure and the one chance Lukaku had was a better bit of play than any of the spurs goals today.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #544 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:46 pm »
Imagine the fewm when Mignolet, Lovren and Can all start at Anfield next Saturday 😁

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #545 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:53 pm »
I'd honestly make Ward our number 1. He has, in his short career, done well under pressure. He played in Europe for Aberdeen on loan as a kid, he was number 1 for a championship team that were expected to fight relegation that got promoted, via 2 penalty shootouts in the playoffs and got thrown in on short notice to start Wales first tournament game in 60 years or whatever it was.
He may or may not be of high enough quality to be a Liverpool permanent number 1, but i trust he can handle pressure and not collapse if things go wrong.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #546 on: October 22, 2017, 06:25:01 pm »
Nope.

He had one of the best DoF's around in Michael Zorc.

Still baffled why FSG never got him as well so they can create that Dortmund success.

GK CB DM  CF all need replacing if we really have ambitions to get back to where we were.

Our spine is god damn awful.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #547 on: October 22, 2017, 06:25:28 pm »
Matip, henderson, coutinho, Salah, mane, firmino.

The only players that are good enough to play at lfc. The rest are either not ready yet such as the kids, not good enough such as klavan, gini, Milner, or absolute liabilities such as Lovren and Mignolet.

And we fixed none of the problems we've had since rafa left. It's criminally negligent. Makes me sick and so angry.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #548 on: October 22, 2017, 06:25:58 pm »
Mignolet and Lovren shouldnt play for the club again. Is there a centreback that has made more errors leading to goals than Lovren?

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #549 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:05 pm »
Frankly there are some players in that team who need to take a good look at themselves.

Mate, these players that ''need to look at themselves'' are just not good enough for the club, this is their peak form and it's down to Klopp to replace these players. In a way your right BUT in another way they shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 because this is only how good they are. No amount of coaching is going to be able to turn these players into consistent good players.

Mignolet, Moreno, Lovren, Henderson, Can have been consistently responsible for our horrific defending for years, even though Moreno has been decent so far, but that's not the point.

The only thing good about our first 11 is our attack, the rest is filled with pure average, mistake prone players. These players cannot do anymore than they already are because this is their top level, not good enough and Klopp should replaced most of these in the summer and sorted the defence out.

The players shouldn't look at themselves, Klopp should because all this form is down to him.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #550 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:20 pm »
What's the over/under on 50 pages then?

Klopp out, we're a shambles, Lovren's the worst human ever etc etc.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #551 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:25 pm »
I'd honestly make Ward our number 1. He has, in his short career, done well under pressure. He played in Europe for Aberdeen on loan as a kid, he was number 1 for a championship team that were expected to fight relegation that got promoted, via 2 penalty shootouts in the playoffs and got thrown in on short notice to start Wales first tournament game in 60 years or whatever it was.
He may or may not be of high enough quality to be a Liverpool permanent number 1, but i trust he can handle pressure and not collapse if things go wrong.

If he can put his hand on the football when its coming towards him he's an upgrade on the other two.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #552 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:28 pm »
From Klopp post-match: "I can't say too much but if I am on the pitch in this situation then Kane doesn't get the ball." Ouch.

Finally. It extends from a few weeks ago when he said he was sick of conceding the same types of goals. He knows it, he just know has to take action.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #553 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:28 pm »
That third and fourth goal were amateur stuff. You wont see a worse goal than the third one.
Dunno. The first one took the piss. There must have been a competition for who could fuck up the most.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #554 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:41 pm »
Right now, Hennessy is the only PL keeper I wouldn't have over Mignolet. The guy is absolutely shocking, if the scouting team couldn't identify a GK better than Mignolet and a CB better than Lovren all across Europe, they all deserve to be sacked. You live and die by your decisions, Klopp has effectively sacrificed our season by not signing a CB.

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #555 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:45 pm »
Matip, henderson, coutinho, Salah, mane, firmino.

The only players that are good enough to play at lfc. The rest are either not ready yet such as the kids, not good enough such as klavan, gini, Milner, or absolute liabilities such as Lovren and Mignolet.

And we fixed none of the problems we've had since rafa left. It's criminally negligent. Makes me sick and so angry.

Well with the exception of Salah, he was the only one in that list who actually showed any fight today.
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #556 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:58 pm »
Ultimately only one person who can sort this out, hopefully he will start to rectify glaring mistakes being made (on and off the pitch) .
Can't really blame players for not being good enough, just not putting in enough effort. (don't think it's the latter)

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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #557 on: October 22, 2017, 06:27:11 pm »
Mignolet and Lovren shouldnt play for the club again. Is there a centreback that has made more errors leading to goals than Lovren?
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #558 on: October 22, 2017, 06:27:20 pm »
Mignolet and Lovren shouldnt play for the club again. Is there a centreback that has made more errors leading to goals than Lovren?

Nope. Saw some stat but he continues to play so blame lays with someone. 
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Re: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')
« Reply #559 on: October 22, 2017, 06:27:28 pm »
Moreno has played well. He ain't the problem. 

Agreed, he did surprisingly well and deserves credit. I thought Salah was a constant threat as well, we could have done with Mane really but I don't think we would have seen a different result.