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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2960 on: May 15, 2023, 11:52:00 pm »
Holy shit I only just figured

The word iffy

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2961 on: May 16, 2023, 05:30:16 pm »
That wailing/siren sound on David Bowies Heroes is a guitar.

I always wondered what it was. I couldn't work out if it was a keyboard with one of those strips you moved your finger up and down on or what it was. A little googling and it turns out it was guitar fed into some synth type thing known as an ebow to get the desired sound.

An excellent thread on some musicians web site and a live performance from 2010 that shows how the sound was made.

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=269495

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3Awe3K8XM

I know nothing how music is made so the whole thing was new to me. I always loved the track ever since Live Aid and never really thought about how that sound was made until a few days ago

EDIT - just double checked the live aid footage and it doesn't look like a guitarist did it and may have been Thomas Dolby on keyboards who made the sound for that performance


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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2962 on: May 16, 2023, 06:01:15 pm »
That wailing/siren sound on David Bowies Heroes is a guitar.

I always wondered what it was. I couldn't work out if it was a keyboard with one of those strips you moved your finger up and down on or what it was. A little googling and it turns out it was guitar fed into some synth type thing known as an ebow to get the desired sound.

An excellent thread on some musicians web site and a live performance from 2010 that shows how the sound was made.

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=269495

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3Awe3K8XM

I know nothing how music is made so the whole thing was new to me. I always loved the track ever since Live Aid and never really thought about how that sound was made until a few days ago

EDIT - just double checked the live aid footage and it doesn't look like a guitarist did it and may have been Thomas Dolby on keyboards who made the sound for that performance


Interesting - following up it seems that Mick Ronson is using an ebow on that video but Fripp didn't use one - he just relied on the feedback to achieve the sustain.

Whereas everyone thinks it's an ebow, this magical guitar gadget called an ebow. In fact it wasn't an ebow, it was just the feedback–Fripp playing this "dah uhhhh dahh uhhh" that beautiful motif. And Fripp recorded a second time without hearing the first one. It was a little bit more cohesive, but still quite wasn't right, and he said, "Let me do it again. Just give me another track. I'll do it again." And we silenced the first two tracks and he did a third pass, which was really great. He nailed it. And then I had the bright idea: I said, "Look let me just hear what it sounds like with the other two tracks. You never know."

Full article here:

https://originalfuzz.com/blogs/magazine/84621252-how-robert-fripp-recorded-the-guitar-line-on-david-bowies-heroes

and Tony Visconto interview by the BBC here:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/sEJBahUugVM&amp;t=154s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/sEJBahUugVM&amp;t=154s</a>

the Fripp guitar is at 2:15
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2963 on: May 16, 2023, 08:12:11 pm »
That was a joy to watch.

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2964 on: May 17, 2023, 12:18:45 pm »
I always loved the track ever since Live Aid




I watched Live Aid in Queenstown NZ, dozens of us up all night at the hostel.

Gripping, horrifying, yet inspiring. Heroes was made for that event.  Almost like an anthem. 3M Kiwis gave $4M.

Saw it back in the States and it was like a party.  Coke adverts, crisps and snacks.  No women burying their kids, no dead babies, very little giving comparatively.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2965 on: May 17, 2023, 02:26:25 pm »
I watched Live Aid in Queenstown NZ, dozens of us up all night at the hostel.

Gripping, horrifying, yet inspiring. Heroes was made for that event.  Almost like an anthem. 3M Kiwis gave $4M.

Saw it back in the States and it was like a party.  Coke adverts, crisps and snacks.  No women burying their kids, no dead babies, very little giving comparatively.

The gig that launched U2 because Bono decided to stretch things out.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2966 on: May 18, 2023, 10:39:11 am »
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2967 on: May 18, 2023, 07:54:03 pm »
Only 15 per cent of men are over 6ft

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« Reply #2968 on: May 18, 2023, 08:02:10 pm »
Only 15 per cent of men are over 6ft
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« Reply #2969 on: May 18, 2023, 08:09:03 pm »
The tops of their heads?

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2970 on: May 18, 2023, 08:32:26 pm »
Only 15 per cent of men are over 6ft

I think that's US data. In the UK it's about 25% and for men under 25 it's 30%. 
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2972 on: May 18, 2023, 09:49:46 pm »
Only 15 per cent of men are over 6ft

100% of my kids are over 6ft
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2973 on: May 18, 2023, 11:35:51 pm »


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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2974 on: May 30, 2023, 10:09:51 am »
Cole slaw and sectioned boiled shrimp (shrimp slaw) make a fantastic salad for sarnies.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2975 on: May 30, 2023, 10:53:53 am »
Cole slaw and sectioned boiled shrimp (shrimp slaw) make a fantastic salad for sarnies.

Try bang bang shrimp tacos. Has the added zing of sriracha.

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« Reply #2976 on: May 30, 2023, 11:13:50 am »
Try bang bang shrimp tacos. Has the added zing of sriracha.

I prefer Thai sweet chili.

Made crab salad tacos last night.  Crispness took away from the diced peppers.  Tore tillas next time.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2977 on: May 30, 2023, 11:45:57 am »
Try bang bang shrimp tacos. Has the added zing of sriracha.

Rebecca Ferguson's (Mission In Possible, Dune, Silo) mum is on the back cover of Abba's eponymous album from from 1975



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« Reply #2978 on: May 30, 2023, 11:49:06 am »
Losing her religion?

I think I've said too much.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2979 on: June 2, 2023, 12:42:00 pm »
This guy's sons are Beckham's partners at Miami FC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Mas_Canosa

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2980 on: June 11, 2023, 03:28:47 pm »
The word redintegrate

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Same meaning

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2981 on: June 14, 2023, 02:24:54 am »
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2982 on: June 14, 2023, 03:23:41 pm »
watching telly this morning i learnt 2 things about sayings - both death and funeral related

saved by the bell - comes from having ropes built into coffins through a hole attached to a bell so that a person who wasn't dead could ring the bell - this was because they used to find scratch marks on the inside of coffins in the early days of medicine

graveyard shift - comes from the people employed to listen out for the bells and dig them out

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2983 on: June 14, 2023, 03:26:20 pm »
watching telly this morning i learnt 2 things about sayings - both death and funeral related

saved by the bell - comes from having ropes built into coffins through a hole attached to a bell so that a person who wasn't dead could ring the bell - this was because they used to find scratch marks on the inside of coffins in the early days of medicine

graveyard shift - comes from the people employed to listen out for the bells and dig them out

And this is why the bells were needed!

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-65899046

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2984 on: June 14, 2023, 03:27:07 pm »
Indict is pronounced weirdly because it used to be spelled endite and when they changed the spelling, the pronunciation stayed.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2986 on: June 14, 2023, 05:05:43 pm »
watching telly this morning i learnt 2 things about sayings - both death and funeral related

saved by the bell - comes from having ropes built into coffins through a hole attached to a bell so that a person who wasn't dead could ring the bell - this was because they used to find scratch marks on the inside of coffins in the early days of medicine

graveyard shift - comes from the people employed to listen out for the bells and dig them out



I thought "saved by the bell" came from boxing, where the bell ending the round would give a fighter the chance to recover.

A brief google suggests the boxing origin is considered the more likely.

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« Reply #2987 on: June 14, 2023, 05:12:09 pm »
I thought "saved by the bell" came from boxing, where the bell ending the round would give a fighter the chance to recover.

A brief google suggests the boxing origin is considered the more likely.

ah - so the telly has lied to me

here's a link debunking it https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/saved-by-the-bell.html

and the graveyard shift too

i dunno - you watch telly all these years and think it's your friend...
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« Reply #2988 on: June 14, 2023, 05:17:00 pm »
ah - so the telly has lied to me

here's a link debunking it https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/saved-by-the-bell.html

and the graveyard shift too

i dunno - you watch telly all these years and think it's your friend...

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« Reply #2989 on: June 16, 2023, 03:17:56 am »
32 rounds. Any wonder it was a complete knockout  ;D (Still some way short of the longest ever which was over 100 rounds I think)

The longest recorded fight with gloves was between Andy Bowen of New Orleans (1867-94) and Jack Burke (Texas, 1869-1913) at New Orleans, Louisiana, USA on 6 April 1893. It lasted 110 rounds, 7 hr 19 min (9:15 p.m.-4:34 a.m.), and was declared a no contest (later changed to a draw).

Sounds worse than a drawn test match.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2990 on: June 18, 2023, 11:46:34 am »
And this is why the bells were needed!

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-latin-america-65899046
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2993 on: June 23, 2023, 04:50:34 pm »
i used to enjoy a cider in the summer months but could only drink 1 or 2 pints because of the sickly sweet taste

i was just reading that for most ciders there is between 2 and 5 teaspoons full of sugar - so hence the sickly sweet taste

i don't have sugar in my tea - but imagine putting 5 teaspoons worth in per cup!

so those guys that drink 5 pints of cider a session - they'll be off for turkey teeth any day soon
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2994 on: June 25, 2023, 09:15:50 pm »
The term ‘hangover’ relates to drunken sailors returning to their ship in a port after a nights drinking, and a rope was hung across the deck for them to hang over and sleep.

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« Reply #2995 on: June 27, 2023, 08:55:48 am »
The term ‘hangover’ relates to drunken sailors returning to their ship in a port after a nights drinking, and a rope was hung across the deck for them to hang over and sleep.

reminds me of the two-penny hang

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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2997 on: July 1, 2023, 08:38:24 pm »
"Mind your P's and Q's" comes from the print industry when letter blocks were placed upside down. Those letters were the ones that got mixed more than any other.
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
« Reply #2998 on: July 1, 2023, 08:45:07 pm »
"Mind your P's and Q's" comes from the print industry when letter blocks were placed upside down. Those letters were the ones that got mixed more than any other.
As does upper case and lower case.

Literally two cases of letters and the capitals were in the top or upper case
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Re: Gulleysucker's 'well I never knew that' thread
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July 2, 2023, 7:30 AM EDT
By Aria Bendix


Many coffee drinkers will tell you there's something about that morning cup that other sources of caffeine just can't match.

Researchers in Portugal recently set out to investigate that idea: Is caffeine solely responsible for making people feel more alert, or do other parts of the morning ritual — coffee's smell or taste, perhaps — trigger that energetic feeling?

"If you listen to these individuals, they typically say that they need to have coffee in the morning to get ready. We wanted to understand the brain mechanisms and functional connectivity pattern that would justify this claim," said Nuno Sousa, one of the study's authors and a professor at the University of Minho's School of Medicine in Portugal.

The researchers recruited 83 people who drank at least one cup of coffee a day to undergo MRI scans so they could observe the participants' brain activity.

Of that total, 47 people were scanned before drinking their morning cup of coffee, then again 30 minutes after they had a cup. The other 36 were simply given caffeine diluted in hot water — no coffee — and underwent the same types of MRI scans before and after they consumed the beverage.

The results, published this week in the journal Frontiers in Behavioral Neuroscience, suggest that, indeed, certain changes in brain activity were attributable only to coffee, while others were attributable to caffeine as well.

The scans revealed that both groups — those who consumed caffeine and those who drank coffee — had decreased activity afterward in a part of the brain that puts people in a resting state. That indicated that people were more ready to start their days and engage with others after consuming either beverage. Decades of research has already shown that caffeine, a psychostimulant, can help people feel more aroused and alert.

However, the MRI scans showed that drinking coffee increased activity in parts of the brain involved in short-term memory, attention and focus, whereas ingesting caffeine on its own did not.

The researchers theorized that the sight, smell or taste of coffee may help people feel alert, regardless of the caffeine content.

"The pleasure that is given to an individual that likes coffee in the morning, that actually is part of almost a ritual that really is also important for that individual to feel that 'I'm ready for the day,'" Sousa said.

He added that people who don't regularly drink coffee may not experience the same effect.

Mark Mattson, an adjunct professor of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who wasn't involved in the research, said the findings weren't surprising, since people form associations with particular sensory experiences over time, which in turn can influence their future reactions.

"It kind of makes sense, right? Coffee has taste and smell, so when you drink coffee, you're activating brain regions that are involved in the perception of the taste of the coffee, the perception of the smell," Mattson said.

Dr. Uma Naidoo, a nutritional psychiatrist at Harvard Medical School, said the sight of coffee may trigger positive memories or make a person believe they're about to feel more awake.

"The visual impact of coffee is powerful," she said. "It could be like, 'Oh, I think there’s something that gives me energy now. I’m going to have something that gives me that second wind I need at work or to study.'"

That's different from a placebo effect, she added, since the coffee is still inducing a physical, and perhaps emotional, response.

All three researchers said it's also possible that the natural chemicals found in coffee may have independent effects on brain activity, apart from those of caffeine. A group of chemicals in coffee called epicatechins, for instance, has been shown to improve memory in animal studies.

Sousa said the goal of the study is not to influence anyone's coffee consumption habits.

"We are not saying that coffee is good or coffee is bad," he said.

Mattson also pointed out that the study comes with several limitations. For one, the MRI scans measured blood flow, but caffeine can restrict blood flow, so the scans may not give a clear picture of its impact on brain activity. Mattson also noted that the study didn't include people who drank decaf coffee, which might have helped distinguish the effects of coffee versus caffeine on the brain.

Naidoo, meanwhile, highlighted that most of the study participants were women, so there could be sex-based differences in how people's brains respond to coffee.

But one point on which the researchers agreed is that coffee is a healthier way to consume caffeine than energy drinks or soda.

"It has caffeine, but it also is very rich in antioxidants and some polyphenols," Naidoo said, referring to natural compounds that may lower blood pressure, destroy cancer cells and protect against diabetes by improving metabolism.

"There’s also another substance called trigonelline that gives coffee the aroma, the taste, that bitterness, but it also has antibacterial, antiviral properties," Naidoo said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/brain-scans-coffee-drinkers-caffeine-rcna91680
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