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Tonight and next Thursday, Spirit Of Shankly will be hosting two meetings of supporters and supporter groups, in the NW and London, to talk about the continuing rise of ticket prices. The meeting is an opportunity for supporters to talk about the issues they face, what they would like to see happen and to show their support for a campaign to call for a reduction in ticket prices.
 
At a time in which we are seeing more money flooding into football, we think it is important that us supporters are thought of. It is an important issue to us all. Have a read about why we think it matters so much here : http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/football-without-fans-it-really-would-be-nothing
 
Remember, without us football would be nothing. So come along. We look forward to seeing you at our meetings
 
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@spiritofshankly: Tonight's #FootballWithoutFansIsNothing meeting in Liverpool will be broadcast live on @AnfieldFM
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think the best way to to get footballs attention is to organise match boycotts. let them see what its like without us.

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think the best way to to get footballs attention is to organise match boycotts. let them see what its like without us.

Supporters have to unite first and address the Premier League while at the same time keeping their own Clubs honest.
Hunt Bromley got Ringo

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It's great to see SOS continuing their great work. It's so easy for people to be snide and always throwing crap at them, but it's refreshing to actually see a group try and do something about this, rather than just sitting around moaning about it. Keep up the good work guys.
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Nothing will happen until people stop going to football matches.  It would be great if anyone could go to any football match, just like it would be great if everyone could go to the opera or travel to Rome.

The only way I could possibly see a community oriented ticket plan is if supporters owned their football clubs, but that would mean that either teams would start at the bottom and have to work their way up the leagues (and at a substantial financial disadvantage) or supporters would have to raise the hundreds of millions necessary to buy the club when the problem in the first place are supporter finances.

A football club operated in a socialist manner will be outperformed by a club operated in a capitalist manner because they have more money.

This may seem defeatest, after all every great thing happened because organizations got together to achieve a goal.  But some things that would be great don't happen in the real world. 

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looked like this went well. #

have a read through https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly to get an idea of what was going on

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Some good proposals passed.

I like the idea of targeting sponsors to get this noticed and pressure put on the powers that be.

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It's great to see SOS continuing their great work. It's so easy for people to be snide and always throwing crap at them, but it's refreshing to actually see a group try and do something about this, rather than just sitting around moaning about it. Keep up the good work guys.
Well said Jill. Great support from fans of other clubs too by the looks of it. More of that needed.

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think the best way to to get footballs attention is to organise match boycotts. let them see what its like without us.

This really isn't viable, as we saw under H&G, big clubs will always fill the stadium and the only teams that would suffer would be the clubs who rely on fans to survive (lower league/lower prem).

I agree with what others have said, sponsors have to be targetted and boycotts threatened, the sponsors at the end of the day support the clubs to gain positive relationships with football fans and get their name known.
"I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football." Tom Werner 12/04/2012

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Not sure where else to ask this so hopefully get some clarification here. I have just received this email from the club regarding my membership. However, I do not want to sign up next season if we do not make the EL, as it may be the case that i pay £30 for a membership in order to get tickets to cup games, yet we are not certain of any home ties if we only compete in the fa and league cup. So at what point/date do LFC or the fans find out if we have qualified for the EL via the fair play route? I hope it is before the deadline as set out below.

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We are contacting you to advise that your LFC Official Light Membership for 2012/13 season will expire on 31st May 2013.

When you joined you requested we automatically renew your Membership each season, therefore you do not need to do anything, as we will be taking payment for 2013/14
Light Membership from 20th May 2013.

The payment will be taken from the card details you provided below and your Membership for the 2013/14 season activated from 1st June 2013. In the event the last 4 digits of your card are not shown below, we will take payment from the card details you provided when you joined Membership.

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If any of the details we hold are incorrect please update them in the My Account area by midnight 17th May 2013.

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Not sure where else to ask this so hopefully get some clarification here. I have just received this email from the club regarding my membership. However, I do not want to sign up next season if we do not make the EL, as it may be the case that i pay £30 for a membership in order to get tickets to cup games, yet we are not certain of any home ties if we only compete in the fa and league cup. So at what point/date do LFC or the fans find out if we have qualified for the EL via the fair play route? I hope it is before the deadline as set out below.

It's already been announced and we haven't got a place.

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This really isn't viable, as we saw under H&G, big clubs will always fill the stadium and the only teams that would suffer would be the clubs who rely on fans to survive (lower league/lower prem).

I agree with what others have said, sponsors have to be targetted and boycotts threatened, the sponsors at the end of the day support the clubs to gain positive relationships with football fans and get their name known.

not if you transferred your support temporary to the lower league or even non league teams,  for me its just the Prem clubs who are ripping off the fans to a large degree!
A world were Liars and Hypocrites are accepted and rewarded and honest people are derided!
Who voted in this lying corrupt bastard anyway

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Nothing will happen until people stop going to football matches buying Sky subscriptions.

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Boycotting matches will never work for us.
The tourists, day trippers etc would fill the ground no problem. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CLUB WANTS!
They don't want me, travelling one and a half miles to the ground, watching the match and going home.
They want people who'll eat in the Boot Room, have a drink, go to the shop and buy loads of gear, then take lots of pics. They also pay very dearly for the ticket, usually via a Thomas Cook deal.
This is without even mentioning the corporate match goers, with the full hospitality package.
There's more and more of them at each match, which is why the atmosphere's declining steadily.
I'm not knocking the types described above, we have a wide fan base, so we have to get real. BUT, let's not stop going, because that'll never work.
I was at last nights meeting and fully support the actions we discussed. I'll be outside the FA on the 19th June etc.
Targeting the sponsors is a great idea too.
It was great to put footballing differences aside last night and unite together over this.
We kept believing and Justice is served.

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not if you transferred your support temporary to the lower league or even non league teams,  for me its just the Prem clubs who are ripping off the fans to a large degree!

I suppose it depends what level you think is ripping off, personally when you see league 1/2 clubs selling tickets for higher prices than Dortmund/Bayern I see it as ripping off.

I think the quote off the Bayern chairman is great, saying how they could up the ticket prices, but the extra £2m or whatever that they'd earn is nothing to the club, just another 10 minutes of negotiation over a player, whereas it is everything to the fans.
"I would say we certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football." Tom Werner 12/04/2012

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I already had something on on Thursday so couldn't make the meeting but look forward to hearing about it and what the next plans are.

I know the following isn't "modern football" - quite the opposite in fact - but it might give you some idea of what future games could be like - felt quite eerie to me when I read it. Bit like the "Ghost of Football yet to come"!:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22470430

North Korea's silent football matches


Foreign visitors to North Korea are allowed to attend sports matches alongside their minders. But football in this secretive republic has little in common with the passion and glamour of Europe's major leagues.

The game was a sell-out, though you would never have guessed it. As we entered the 50,000-seater Kim Il-Sung Stadium below the watchful eye of the Eternal President and Great Leader, not forgetting his son, the Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Il, there was no-one to be seen. There were no queues, no turnstiles and certainly no hotdog stands or programme sellers.

But once inside it was a different matter. Every seat was taken and row upon row of men sat silently, wearing identical dark suits and red ties, everyone sporting a tiny enamel badge on their left breast. No, not of Pyongyang FC, but of the Great Leader himself.

The artificial pitch looked immaculate under the spring morning sun. Kick off was at half past nine! Maybe it was the early start but there were no chants and no flags or scarves in sight, just a quiet murmur around the darkened rows of seats.

Many of the fans were soldiers in green uniforms and broad-brimmed hats. I do not know if they were under orders to attend but some were quietly reading paperbacks and showed no interest in the game. The opposition, the crack army outfit Amrokgang, looked stronger in the first half but it was a scrappy match. Pyongyang fought back and won a penalty though you would be hard pressed to know that from the reaction of the crowd. There was none.

My travelling buddies decided to inject some old-style terrace atmosphere of our own and we chanted: "One nil to the referee, one nil to the referee." The dozen or so Westerners who had joined us in the VIP box - at 30 euros a seat, hard currency only please - laughed at us. One or two even joined in as we grew bolder: "Pyongyang ooh, ooh! Pyongyang ooh, ooh!"

But the locals just stared at us. In a land where it appears you must ask permission to speak, this show of individuality, of spontaneity, was not seen as rude, or aggressive. They just stared blankly at us.


I think they thought we were, well... a little odd.

Our tour party was closely monitored at the game. Two guides led from the front while a mysterious "Mr L" who hardly spoke, brought up the rear.

It was never clear if he was just minding us or was making sure our guides stuck to the strict party line that all was rosy in this socialist utopia.

The national side uses the official name of the country, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Their greatest footballing moment came in the 1966 World Cup when they beat Italy by two goals to nil to reach the quarter finals. They also qualified for the 2010 finals.

Neither manager ventured out of the dugout, there was no high fiving, no pats on the back from the players”

At the last World Cup, in South Africa, North Korea's coach, Kim Jong-Hun, told the media that he received "regular tactical advice during matches" from Kim Jong-Il "using mobile phones that are not visible to the naked eye" and purportedly developed by the Supreme Leader himself.

But the team is struggling at the moment and has not qualified for next year's World Cup in Brazil. Its last game was a goalless draw in a friendly against fellow communists Cuba.

Back on the pitch at the Kim Il-Sung stadium, Amrokgang had got one back. Another penalty, though why the referee had to confer with the linesman is anyone's guess - the Pyongyang striker was taken down five yards inside the box. The goal caused little reaction. The crowd stayed quiet. Neither manager ventured out of the dugout, there was no high-fiving, no pats on the back from the players.

Kim Il-sung Stadium seats 50,000 spectators but the mood is very different from that at Western stadia. Now I like to watch controlled football, but not quite like this.

Surprise, surprise! There was some half-time entertainment. A brass band piped up behind the goal. But immediately another band behind the opposite goal struck up. They were playing different tunes, though no-one seemed to care.

The match went into stoppage time. Pyongyang were pressing hard. The crowd, at last, seemed to rouse themselves, if only a little, at the prospect of another goal. And finally, Pyongyang scored with a low shot following some good passing.

It was the very last kick of the most bizarre game I had ever watched and it came in the 94th minute.

Maybe the referee was under orders to ensure a home win in the Great Leader's stadium. I would like to think the crowd went home happy. But with no emotion one way or the other on the faces of the soldiers and party faithful as they marched silently out, I just couldn't tell.


Scary stuff!  :-\
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Reminder for the meeting in London on Thursday night:

Thursday 16th May 2013
7.30pm
The Horseshoe Inn
26 Melior Street
London
SE1 3QP

(Nearest Station: London Bridge)

The meeting is open to supporters of all clubs, so feel free to bring your non-Liverpool supporting mates along.

Also, listen to last week's North West meeting on Anfield FM: http://www.spreaker.com/user/anfieldfm/football_without_fans_is_nothing_mp3?utm_source=widget

Thursday's meeting will be broadcast live on Anfield FM: http://www.anfieldfm.com/  or http://tunein.com/radio/AnfieldFM-s142284/

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