Author Topic: Álisson Ramsés Becker (Read 963703 times)

Son of Spion · « **Reply #4040 on:** February 6, 2020, 07:21:28 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on February 6, 2020, 07:04:59 pm

Not trying to play down his achievements bit is he facing 'easier' shots than most keepers , because our defence are better drilled than most not to concede high xg shots. I know he's made a few amazing saves this season. But I don't know (because I've not seen) what the majority of his shots faced are like.

I couldn't really say, but that is something that was also said about Ray Clemence.

OldPoem · « **Reply #4041 on:** February 6, 2020, 07:32:03 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on February 6, 2020, 07:04:59 pm

Not trying to play down his achievements bit is he facing 'easier' shots than most keepers , because our defence are better drilled than most not to concede high xg shots. I know he's made a few amazing saves this season. But I don't know (because I've not seen) what the majority of his shots faced are like.

He's not there to make super saves. He's there to deny anything get through our defense , easy or hard.

Knight · « **Reply #4042 on:** February 6, 2020, 07:35:47 pm »

His positioning is brilliant which makes everything look easy. So, for instance, De Gea makes worldies rooted to his line, saves Allison will never need to make because he’s willing to move out of his goal.

Chris~ · « **Reply #4043 on:** February 6, 2020, 07:57:36 pm »

Quote from: PaulF on February 6, 2020, 07:04:59 pm

Not trying to play down his achievements bit is he facing 'easier' shots than most keepers , because our defence are better drilled than most not to concede high xg shots. I know he's made a few amazing saves this season. But I don't know (because I've not seen) what the majority of his shots faced are like.

Statsbomb collect post shot data so positiong, placement etc and have him as the 2nd best keeper per 90 against expected goals. So he's still performing at an incredible level.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

PoetryInMotion · « **Reply #4044 on:** February 6, 2020, 08:46:20 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on February 6, 2020, 07:57:36 pm

Statsbomb collect post shot data so positiong, placement etc and have him as the 2nd best keeper per 90 against expected goals. So he's still performing at an incredible level.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

Oh, I don't know. That site has Dubravka saving the most goals for his team.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #4045 on:** February 6, 2020, 08:53:28 pm »

Quote from: PoetryInMotion on February 6, 2020, 08:46:20 pm

Oh, I don't know. That site has Dubravka saving the most goals for his team.

Paully in the Newcastle thread says they'd be in the relegation zone without him so could be accurate.

JonnyCigarettes® · « **Reply #4046 on:** February 7, 2020, 12:14:39 am »

Currently training with his brother at Fluminense

Spare Becker if Adrian leaves

Dim Glas · « **Reply #4047 on:** February 7, 2020, 12:36:30 am »

Alisson and Muriel, what was going on with that family

Anyway, good to see Ali hasn't got a hair-cut yet

newterp · « **Reply #4048 on:** February 7, 2020, 12:39:23 am »

If we start leaking goals at least we clearly know his brother played a practical joke and came back pretending to be Alisson with a hair cut.

Sangria · « **Reply #4049 on:** February 7, 2020, 12:51:21 am »

Quote from: farawayred on February 6, 2020, 06:40:08 pm

I just realized that we have A-keepers - Ali, Adrian, Andy. Sell Caoimhin, he doesn’t fit in

It may be spelt Caoimhin Kelleher, but it's actually pronounced Accrington Stanley.

AmanShah21 · « **Reply #4050 on:** February 7, 2020, 07:00:19 am »

Not sure if already posted but this is a great watch -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbwl-nasW_U

L8Craig · « **Reply #4051 on:** February 7, 2020, 07:33:24 am »

One of the people on Twitter posted an article saying Achterburg deserves credit for Alisson's performances.

Does he?

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #4052 on:** February 7, 2020, 08:00:06 am »

Quote from: L8Craig on February 7, 2020, 07:33:24 am

One of the people on Twitter posted an article saying Achterburg deserves credit for Alisson's performances.

Does he?

All of the team behind the scenes deserve credit. I know some seem to blame Achterburg for all nature of things at Liverpool, but if he was a bad as some make out he wouldn't still be part of the coaching team, as Klopp would have replaced him. He contributes to the goalkeepers training and you can clearly see how outstanding Alisson is. So I would yes, he does deserve some praise and I'm pretty sure Alisson would be the first person to admit it as well.

CraigDS · « **Reply #4053 on:** February 7, 2020, 08:25:23 am »

Quote from: L8Craig on February 7, 2020, 07:33:24 am

One of the people on Twitter posted an article saying Achterburg deserves credit for Alisson's performances.

Does he?

Nah, he’s only to blame when things go bad.

ChaChaMooMoo · « **Reply #4054 on:** February 7, 2020, 08:28:18 am »

Quote from: Craig 🤔 on February 7, 2020, 08:25:23 am

Nah, he’s only to blame when things go bad.

Fair point.

Petadroli · « **Reply #4055 on:** February 7, 2020, 08:28:22 am »

Quote from: PoetryInMotion on February 6, 2020, 08:46:20 pm

Oh, I don't know. That site has Dubravka saving the most goals for his team.

Dubravka is a fantastic goalkeeper imo. Of course he has the odd howler here and there, but the amount of shots he saves is incredible, also very good chances. He's kinda like Mignolet for Sunderland before we got him. Many, many saves, the odd one creeps in but you can't blame him when he's saved 5 others. For us he wouldn't work though.

Paul1611 · « **Reply #4056 on:** February 7, 2020, 10:16:44 am »

Quote from: Dim Glas on February 7, 2020, 12:36:30 am

Alisson and Muriel, what was going on with that family

Anyway, good to see Ali hasn't got a hair-cut yet

It was Alan, their sister, taking the photo.

FlashGordon · « **Reply #4057 on:** February 7, 2020, 10:25:47 am »

Quote from: JonnyCigarettes® on February 7, 2020, 12:14:39 am

Currently training with his brother at Fluminense

Spare Becker if Adrian leaves

Is that the Fluminese jersey? It's unreal.

Sangria · « **Reply #4058 on:** February 7, 2020, 01:13:31 pm »

Quote from: Paul1611 on February 7, 2020, 10:16:44 am

It was Alan, their sister, taking the photo.

Tibetan singer, Alan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlEzws5tCk

kavah · « **Reply #4059 on:** February 7, 2020, 02:15:38 pm »

Quote from: FlashGordon on February 7, 2020, 10:25:47 am

Is that the Fluminese jersey? It's unreal.

Yes. Great shout. One of the best kits.

newterp · « **Reply #4060 on:** February 7, 2020, 02:24:56 pm »

It looks like a Britches Great Outdoors Polo from. The late 80s early 90s.

Frizzo · « **Reply #4061 on:** February 7, 2020, 02:58:23 pm »

Quote from: Petadroli on February 7, 2020, 08:28:22 am

Dubravka is a fantastic goalkeeper imo. Of course he has the odd howler here and there, but the amount of shots he saves is incredible, also very good chances. He's kinda like Mignolet for Sunderland before we got him. Many, many saves, the odd one creeps in but you can't blame him when he's saved 5 others. For us he wouldn't work though.

Excellent comparison.

Floydy · « **Reply #4062 on:** February 7, 2020, 07:46:21 pm »

Quote from: Floydy on February 6, 2020, 04:05:50 pm

Gonna have to start calling this lad John.

You know? John the Baptist? Anybody?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #4063 on:** February 7, 2020, 10:29:31 pm »

You know, sometimes Alisson seems like an utterly ridiculous luxury in a team like ours.....

There is no better player than him in his position in world football. And they’ve got to get past the VVD who is the undisputed best centre back in the world.

Harlem Globe trotters stuff really.

Ghost Town · « **Reply #4064 on:** February 7, 2020, 11:48:57 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 7, 2020, 10:29:31 pm

You know, sometimes Alisson seems like an utterly ridiculous luxury in a team like ours.....

There is no better player than him in his position in world football. And they’ve got to get past the VVD who is the undisputed best centre back in the world.

Harlem Globe trotters stuff really.

And before that they need to get past Fabinho, who's the best DM around and Hendo who presses and harries like a demon and Gini who is tactically elite and near impossible to disposes, once he gets the ball.

No wonder Ali's got one of the most relaxing jobs in football. He could probably take a book and a deckchair with him onto the pitch

Henry Kissinger · « **Reply #4065 on:** February 8, 2020, 11:14:58 am »

Quote from: Floydy on February 7, 2020, 07:46:21 pm

You know? John the Baptist? Anybody?

Hopefully he won't lose his head over the comparison.

JC the Messiah · « **Reply #4066 on:** February 8, 2020, 11:41:06 am »

Quote from: JonnyCigarettes® on February 7, 2020, 12:14:39 am

Currently training with his brother at Fluminense

Spare Becker if Adrian leaves

AmanShah21 · « **Reply #4067 on:** February 9, 2020, 01:03:02 am »

In hindsight, we were exceptionally brave and decisive to pull the trigger on him when we did. Seeing the situation with Chelsea and Kepa, he'd definitely not have stayed on the market very long. Now they are trying to shift the most expensive goalkeeper for a fraction of his price. With that one deal, we fucked over Chelsea (forcing Athletic to put a gun to their heads) and got the best goalkeeper in the world for a price that looks supercheap right now.

jckliew · « **Reply #4068 on:** February 9, 2020, 01:21:32 am »

https://www.90min.com/posts/6553574-brazil-boss-claims-alisson-criticised-fellow-liverpool-star-for-having-no-courage-in-barca-defeat/partners/36569

Brazil Boss Claims Alisson Criticised Fellow Liverpool Star for Having 'No Courage' in Barca Defeat

classycarra · « **Reply #4069 on:** February 9, 2020, 11:25:12 pm »

Quote from: jckliew on February 9, 2020, 01:21:32 am

https://www.90min.com/posts/6553574-brazil-boss-claims-alisson-criticised-fellow-liverpool-star-for-having-no-courage-in-barca-defeat/partners/36569

Brazil Boss Claims Alisson Criticised Fellow Liverpool Star for Having 'No Courage' in Barca Defeat

Unsurprisingly, it's another Brazil manager being a loudmouth unprofessional twat to promote themselves (referring to himself in third person as professor

)

Whatever Allison said before Tite tried to quote him on the documentary, however it translates, I'm sure he'd already fed it back to Gomez.

You don't become the best in your position in the world, in one of the worlds best teams, without having the capacity to demand better from your teammates while keeping them on your side

aussie_ox · « **Reply #4070 on:** February 10, 2020, 01:14:13 am »

Big Al is ours for the next 8 years. Imagine replacing him in 2028. Glad it's miles off!

aw1991 · « **Reply #4071 on:** February 15, 2020, 07:35:08 pm »

Better at progressing play than Man United midfield

Ray K · « **Reply #4072 on:** February 15, 2020, 07:44:35 pm »

Hey, all you old guys (says the fella turning 45 next month

), how does Alisson compare to Clemence? Cos looking at the stats, we're very close to the 1978-79 (I think) season in terms of goals conceded. But it's more than the keeper just looks unbeatable - there's hardly a one-on-one that I don't fancy Alisson over whichever striker it is. And Clem seemed to be pretty unbeatable back in his day too.

When we look back at the Klopp era, a huge sliding doors moment might be his save vs Milik in the Napoli group game. He scores there, no CL run, the atmosphere changes to 'Klopp can't win trophies' etc.
Since that save: one league defeat, 1 big ears lifted.

DelTrotter · « **Reply #4073 on:** February 15, 2020, 07:46:25 pm »

That Roma fella was probably mocked at the time calling him the Messi of goalkeepers but he was absolutely spot on. The best to ever do it. Obscene save and loads of brilliant passes to get us going.

Cu Chulainn · « **Reply #4074 on:** February 15, 2020, 07:48:34 pm »

^ Yep. They don't get better than Big Al, it's not believable how good he is.

And he's going to win the Golden Glove having missed about 10 games.

Red Eyed · « **Reply #4075 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:00:19 pm »

That 2v1 block though...

CraigDS · « **Reply #4076 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:08:37 pm »

Quote from: Red Eyed on February 15, 2020, 08:00:19 pm

That 2v1 block though...

Most keepers who even attempt that do so with a straight static arm...Alisson swipes it out there like a well times Fabinho tackle

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #4077 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:14:09 pm »

Quote from: Red Eyed on February 15, 2020, 08:00:19 pm

That 2v1 block though...

Doesn't count according to Klopp. There was an offside. Apparently.

disgraced cake · « **Reply #4078 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:16:47 pm »

Yeah, think it was offside, great goalkeeping though, surprised he didn't have more to do to be honest, thought they'd test him a couple of times

classycarra · « **Reply #4079 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:24:29 pm »

Quote from: Craig 🤔 on February 15, 2020, 08:08:37 pm

Most keepers who even attempt that do so with a straight static arm...Alisson swipes it out there like a well times Fabinho tackle

Yep, did that all while remaining in control of his feet in terms of avoiding sliding out of control and also being ready to pounce from his toes, which was how he got to the ball.