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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #200 on: September 24, 2005, 06:29:40 pm »
Cap ticket prices. That way, whatever happens, we don't get shafted financially.
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #201 on: September 25, 2005, 01:29:47 pm »
It's tempting to look at Abramovich's zillions and see no end to Chelsea's domination of English football. But as much as I deplore that crook's entry into our game, I refuse to see a future that's just wall-to-wall Chelsea triumph. Why? Because although their money is talking louder than anyone's has ever done before in football, the last word in football belongs - and has always belonged - to the 22 fellas on the pitch. Remember - Chelsea win games by one goal margins. Very occasionally by something bigger. They are not, at least on the football field, as domineering as Arsenal were a couple of seasons back. With that in mind I offer these 3 reasons for optimism:

1. Great managers are defined in part by how they react to adversity. Mourinho, in his short managerial career, has yet to taste failure. But one day he will. I got to say I wonder how someone as psychologically brittle and with such an obvious inferiority complex as Mourinho  will respond when the big setback comes. And it will come. Last season, after Arsenal shipped 3 goals at Tottenham, he went on record to say that if one of his teams ever let in 3 goals he'd stop the game. It was a comment that was intended to humiliate Arsenal. But really it spoke volumes about his own weird state of mind. (Imagine what Mourinho would have done if his team had been 3-0 down at Istanbul). One day his team will concede 3, or perhaps 4. Maybe we'll do it to him next week. Let's see what happens to the Special One then.

2. Chelsea's large squad is happy now. Sort of. Already this season Carvalho and Cole have griped to the press about not playing enough games. Well what happens when things begin to go wrong? Getting splinters in your arse from too much sitting on the bench is just about ok if someone slings a medal around your undeserving neck at the end of the season. But will Chelsea continue to be able to maintain such a fabulous squad if they go a season without winning anything? Of course, the answer is no.

3. Finally, how will Abramovich himself respond to a trophy-less season. Or two on the trot? We simply don't know. There'll be a huge cash-injection, obviously. But if that doesn't work? My guess is that he will run Chelsea FC like he has run his semi-legal business operations - ruthlessly. Ranieri got the chop after Chelsea's best season since 1955. Mourinho, for all his success so far, is probably in one of the most insecure jobs in the Premier League.

So we shouldn't despair. Let's keep the pressure on the c*nts - starting at Anfield next week.

 


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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #202 on: September 25, 2005, 02:18:38 pm »

Clearly something needs to be put in place to stop one club spending unlimited funds to create the perfect team.  I don't know what the solution is or might be but then again I am no expert on football clubs and how the game is organised.  I do, however, believe that if you put smart enough guys in charge and told to devise a workable solution then they would be able to do so.

I suspect a cap on buying player would be better than a salary cap in terms of preventing one team dominating.


How about teams are only allowed to buy 3 players in summer and just 2 more in January, reduce ticket prices and throw in a salary cap on players?  IT WON'T HAPPEN, as much as I'd like it to.  Not just because we wouldn't have some players we've got now (theoretically we would all be in the same boat), the simple reason is MONEY TALKS, like in any business/organisation.  As much as I hate the fat cats of our world that exploit people and rip off and lie to the average worker,I'm only saying that money does make the world go round.  It's a sad and harsh truth of the world, and it's infected a popular game like football like it infects everything else popular.  
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2011, 07:32:20 pm »
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #204 on: January 30, 2011, 01:22:18 pm »
It's not just chelsea killing football or man city it's the billionaires behind it all but ultimately when they get bored and decide to get shot of the teams that they have mangled it's the premier league that will suffer teams like chelsea and city are doomed to failure when these billionaires pull the plug they aren't going to be able to afford to continue on the basis of what revenue they pull in from the gate and and sponsorship deals it won't even put a dent in the wages bill

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #205 on: January 30, 2011, 01:56:11 pm »

1. Great managers are defined in part by how they react to adversity. Mourinho, in his short managerial career, has yet to taste failure. But one day he will. I got to say I wonder how someone as psychologically brittle and with such an obvious inferiority complex as Mourinho  will respond when the big setback comes. And it will come. Last season, after Arsenal shipped 3 goals at Tottenham, he went on record to say that if one of his teams ever let in 3 goals he'd stop the game. It was a comment that was intended to humiliate Arsenal. But really it spoke volumes about his own weird state of mind. (Imagine what Mourinho would have done if his team had been 3-0 down at Istanbul). One day his team will concede 3, or perhaps 4. Maybe we'll do it to him next week. Let's see what happens to the Special One then.


Made me chuckle... didn't see him stop the game against Barca :)
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #206 on: January 30, 2011, 05:42:21 pm »
    How can Maureen be spouted as a great manager ?....puzzles me this one..name me one good young prospect maureen ever nurtured into greatness ?...
   Alonso...Torres...Mascherano...Gerrard...Reina...against Shaun wright-phillips languishing on a bench the rest of his team were already big game players and big competition winners....SWP had to be offloaded to another team and manager to show his potential...

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #207 on: January 30, 2011, 05:46:00 pm »
    How can Maureen be spouted as a great manager ?....puzzles me this one..name me one good young prospect maureen ever nurtured into greatness ?...
   Alonso...Torres...Mascherano...Gerrard...Reina...against Shaun wright-phillips languishing on a bench the rest of his team were already big game players and big competition winners....SWP had to be offloaded to another team and manager to show his potential...
Thats the difference between being a great coach and a great manager, imo.

A great coach develops talent and a great manager takes that talent to maximize it. Wenger is a great coach.


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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #208 on: January 30, 2011, 05:58:56 pm »
Thats the difference between being a great coach and a great manager, imo.

A great coach develops talent and a great manager takes that talent to maximize it. Wenger is a great coach.
 
 
 
    Your assuming there is a difference ?

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #209 on: January 30, 2011, 06:24:31 pm »
Thats why I said, IMO.

I think there are certain people out there who can do both. But for the most part, I feel that one is either great at one or the other.

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #210 on: January 30, 2011, 07:20:57 pm »
Thats why I said, IMO.

I think there are certain people out there who can do both. But for the most part, I feel that one is either great at one or the other.

 
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #211 on: January 30, 2011, 07:34:13 pm »
If you take it from that angle, Mourinho has helped certain players he has been with find their maximum. Lampard being one of them...he is still good but the way he played in his first 2 years under Mourinho? Quite special to be fair to him.

But from how I see it, I see the a coach as someone who is excellent at developing players but maybe isnt the best at taking those players to win trophies.

Where as the other way is someone who isnt too great a developing players but is excellent at leading teams to trophies. And thats how I see Jose...I wouldnt expect him to develop 18 years olds but I do expect him to win trophies wherever he goes ( even if they are losing right now :) )

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #212 on: January 30, 2011, 07:35:35 pm »
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #213 on: January 31, 2011, 05:01:34 am »
I don't know about others but the financial fair play rules can't come fast enough for me.  I don't know if they will work or not but for once, I applaud Platini for at least trying. 

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« Reply #214 on: January 31, 2011, 06:56:25 am »
I don't know about others but the financial fair play rules can't come fast enough for me.  I don't know if they will work or not but for once, I applaud Platini for at least trying. 

Platini is a gimp. He didn't care when it was his beloved Italian clubs outspending everyone with big business backers.

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #215 on: January 31, 2011, 11:10:04 am »
When chelsea go and buy one of the best plyers from the competition, not only do they strengthen themselves, they significantly lower the oposition. FFS
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #216 on: February 12, 2011, 12:54:58 am »
If you take it from that angle, Mourinho has helped certain players he has been with find their maximum. Lampard being one of them...he is still good but the way he played in his first 2 years under Mourinho? Quite special to be fair to him.

But from how I see it, I see the a coach as someone who is excellent at developing players but maybe isnt the best at taking those players to win trophies.

Where as the other way is someone who isnt too great a developing players but is excellent at leading teams to trophies. And thats how I see Jose...I wouldnt expect him to develop 18 years olds but I do expect him to win trophies wherever he goes ( even if they are losing right now :) )

 
   
 
 OK..fair enough...but just name me one footballer who maureen has plucked from obscurity and thrust into international fame..?
  As i said swp..huth..lampard..EBJT  et al do not count..
 
 
 
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #217 on: February 13, 2011, 01:05:25 pm »

 
   
 
 OK..fair enough...but just name me one footballer who maureen has plucked from obscurity and thrust into international fame..?
  As i said swp..huth..lampard..EBJT  et al do not count..
 
 
 
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Are you seriously trying to say Mourinho isn't an exceptional coach?

In the six seasons he's been managing at the highest level, he's won the league 5 times. The other season, his team finished second.


Like him or not, there is simply no counter-argument to the man's record.
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #218 on: February 13, 2011, 01:28:22 pm »

 just name me one footballer who maureen has plucked from obscurity and thrust into international fame..?
 

Maybe this is by design? He's been at sides with enough resources for him to cherry-pick. Taking punts on more obscure talents is for sides with a budget.

But having said that, back in 2004 how many of his Porto side did you (a) know, (b) deem to be 'international class'? Yes most of them went onto better things, but in the moment? At that time? I know I wasn't.

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #219 on: February 14, 2011, 05:45:21 pm »

1. Great managers are defined in part by how they react to adversity. Mourinho, in his short managerial career, has yet to taste failure. But one day he will. I got to say I wonder how someone as psychologically brittle and with such an obvious inferiority complex as Mourinho  will respond when the big setback comes. And it will come. Last season, after Arsenal shipped 3 goals at Tottenham, he went on record to say that if one of his teams ever let in 3 goals he'd stop the game. It was a comment that was intended to humiliate Arsenal. But really it spoke volumes about his own weird state of mind. (Imagine what Mourinho would have done if his team had been 3-0 down at Istanbul). One day his team will concede 3, or perhaps 4. Maybe we'll do it to him next week. Let's see what happens to the Special One then.


Presume youre watching with great interest since his 5-0 thumping. What are your impressions so far?
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #220 on: February 17, 2011, 02:15:28 pm »
Tomkin's OP has not worn well has it?

What Chelsea did do was break the duopoly of Man U and Arsenal, something which we failed to do and for which I am grateful.

There always have been the biggest beasts in the jungle- once it was us. All that you can hope for is that there is some competition and the arrival of Chelsea and City have spiced things up, no question.

Empires wax and wane, dynasties build then splinter, that is the way of things. Without Chelsea we would never have got £50m for Torres. Yet although money counts for much, it does not always get you across the finishing line.
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #221 on: March 15, 2011, 10:23:47 am »
I actually like Chelsea; it is just Terry's behaviour I don't like. Ever since Mourinho left, I have liked them more and more......

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #222 on: March 15, 2011, 01:41:32 pm »
I actually like Chelsea; it is just Terry's behaviour I don't like. Ever since Mourinho left, I have liked them more and more......

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #223 on: March 15, 2011, 01:52:24 pm »
I actually like Chelsea; it is just Terry's behaviour I don't like. Ever since Mourinho left, I have liked them more and more......

I dislike Abramovich and how he made his money. I dislike the Chelsea fans. I dislike most of the Chelsea players, apart from Anelka, who has really matured and does not seem infected with the cuntitry running through that squad. Drogba feigning, diving and cheating is a blight on the modern game. Ashley Cole epitomises the spoilt brat modern footballer. Mikel is a case study of how not to do youth development. When they have employed decent men as managers, they have conspired to knife them in the back. They employed Peter Kenyon.

So in brief, apart from the owner, the board, the majority of the players and the fans, I quite like Chelsea.

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #224 on: March 15, 2011, 02:30:50 pm »
I dislike Abramovich and how he made his money. I dislike the Chelsea fans. I dislike most of the Chelsea players, apart from Anelka, who has really matured and does not seem infected with the cuntitry running through that squad. Drogba feigning, diving and cheating is a blight on the modern game. Ashley Cole epitomises the spoilt brat modern footballer. Mikel is a case study of how not to do youth development. When they have employed decent men as managers, they have conspired to knife them in the back. They employed Peter Kenyon.

So in brief, apart from the owner, the board, the majority of the players and the fans, I quite like Chelsea.


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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #225 on: March 15, 2011, 02:31:22 pm »
I dislike Abramovich and how he made his money. I dislike the Chelsea fans. I dislike most of the Chelsea players, apart from Anelka, who has really matured and does not seem infected with the cuntitry running through that squad. Drogba feigning, diving and cheating is a blight on the modern game. Ashley Cole epitomises the spoilt brat modern footballer. Mikel is a case study of how not to do youth development. When they have employed decent men as managers, they have conspired to knife them in the back. They employed Peter Kenyon.

So in brief, apart from the owner, the board, the majority of the players and the fans, I quite like Chelsea.


Is 'cuntitry' a proper word? :o

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #226 on: March 15, 2011, 09:43:17 pm »
Is 'cuntitry' a proper word? :o

If not, why not?
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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #227 on: March 15, 2011, 09:45:19 pm »
If not, why not?

I created a poll to decide the correct word for the property of being a c*nt a while ago. I can't find it so I suspect it may have departed to the recycle bin in the sky...

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« Reply #228 on: March 15, 2011, 10:12:26 pm »
Thats the difference between being a great coach and a great manager, imo.

A great coach develops talent and a great manager takes that talent to maximize it. Wenger is a great coach.

Other way round.

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« Reply #229 on: March 16, 2011, 07:55:33 am »
Without Chelsea, United would probably be on at 21 - I quite like them as well.

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« Reply #230 on: March 16, 2011, 01:48:32 pm »
Without Chelsea, United would probably be on at 21
It's the only thing remotely likeable about them though.

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« Reply #231 on: March 23, 2011, 09:43:54 am »
Other way round.

I disagree.

Coaching = teaching players, making them better.
Managing = getting them to play to their best, man managing them, keeping them performing.

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« Reply #232 on: March 25, 2011, 03:53:07 pm »
Without Chelsea, United would probably be on at 21 - I quite like them as well.

I'd agree with that.  Your enemy's enemy is your friend, and all that.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan, but them over the Mancs anyday of the week.

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« Reply #233 on: April 22, 2011, 07:03:12 pm »
Hmm.... 300m so far, no champions league?



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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #234 on: April 22, 2011, 08:39:18 pm »
Empires wax and wane, dynasties build then splinter, that is the way of things. Without Chelsea we would never have got £50m for Torres. Yet although money counts for much, it does not always get you across the finishing line.

Chelsea and especially City are the exact opposite of Empires and Dynasties.

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Re: Chelsea – Killing Football For Us All
« Reply #235 on: May 4, 2011, 09:41:02 pm »
at the end of the day,if liverpool had that spending power,you would be delighted!!

and don't say "oh no i wouldnt want that to happen",if it was liverpool who had abramovich and if it was him who bought YOU a title,i`m sure you wouldnt be complaining even though it all does seem a bit fake,and i wouldnt be that happy if i was a chelsea fan,they have no passion!!!

Yeah we wouldn't complain. But at the end of the day money is what's caused the Spanish league to become Barcelona v Real Madrid, the English league Manchester United vs Chelsea...

No fun when it's like that.

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« Reply #236 on: May 8, 2011, 10:07:21 pm »
The funny thing is that if chelsea want to win the league again and win the champs league for the first time they'll have to spend 100m more because they're not good enough at the moment.