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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #40 on: December 3, 2018, 03:13:52 pm »
Now just to go back to the earlier point about 'every fanbase thinks the media is against them'....

And probably more to do with the company itself, and more fool me for reading it.

But Sky Sports have suddenly decided to include Danny Mills opinion on their 'weekly refereeing watch' PURELY because he's had a big pop at Klopp for running onto the pitch yesterday. Never been done before I dare say wont again in the future, just to give him a bigger platform for his bile.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #41 on: December 3, 2018, 03:31:22 pm »
Yep. That vibe has been there a long time now. Football has a part in it, but so, too, does other things like politics and culture.
With the football we lorded it over them for so long that we thoroughly pissed most non-fans off. We had the success that United fans (our biggest rivals by number) always believed should have been theirs by right. This bred deep resentment within them and their media chums in Manchester and London. Even when it looked like we might be faltering in the 80s, who stepped in? Yes, another club from Liverpool. Then who knocked them from their very brief stay on the perch? Yes, Liverpool again.

Popular culture, the arts, music etc has seen a massive Liverpool presence over the years. For a relatively small world city, we punch well above our weight when it comes to this stuff. We have big presence. That often breeds jealousy.

Politically speaking, our city is the fly in the ointment. The city that takes no shit. Tells it like it is. A sharp thorn in the paw of the establishment. But they generally have the media in their pockets, and this sets the agenda and the narrative against us. Still, we don't lie down. They slur, they discredit wherever they can, but still we stand. They don't like it. But sadly, too many people have been trained to not think in this country. Society has been dumbed down, and so many buy the narrative being sold to them about different groups in society, Scousers being one such group. This is how we've ended up with away fans from areas of the county decimated by the Tories turning up at Anfield singing songs laughing about poverty, slums, crime and unemployment as though they themselves live in some sort of utopian society far removed from the realities of the supposed United Kingdom.

Basically, they are so dumbed down, so stupid and so lacking in awareness that they are actually mocking the downfall and trashing of their own social class. They are doing it to themselves. They have been manipulated by the endless agendered shite from the establishment-loyal media into turning on one of the few groups of people (Liverpudlians generally) left who will still stand up and fight for justice, their dignity and their rights. The establishment wins when it succeeds in turning the people against themselves and on themselves. As we have always been a thorn in the paw of the establishment, it suits them to have an ongoing negative agenda and narrative against Liverpool and it's people that the masses can readily buy into and cultivate further.

But as you say, fuck them anyway, the bunch of scruffy teds.  :D
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Brilliant post mate. Nail on head.

Bolded bit is an amazing phenomenon. I've lived away for years and have lived all over the place - there's crime, poverty, social issues everywhere but it's fair game to have a go at Liverpool. Equally, in a society where any discrimination is (rightly) becoming less and less acceptable, it still seems OK to openly have a go at people because of their birthplace.

Was at a party last year and someone  from Swansea was telling a group of us how much of a shithole the area around the airport is - few months earlier I'd been to Swansea for the first time and the bit of the centre I ended up in was rough as fuck. He didn't know where I was from, but it's interesting that he felt on safeish ground calling out a part of Liverpool to a bunch of relative strangers. Fuck all self-awareness some people.

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #42 on: December 3, 2018, 07:13:56 pm »
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Cheers, mate.

It really is a strange phenomenon. It's also bizarre that in an age of the internet where  information is readily available to all, ignorance and lack of wider awareness is more rife than ever. But then again, we also live in a time when people love to overlook their own shortcomings whilst gleefully pointing out the shortcomings of others, without a hint of irony.

It seems to be the same when it comes to people's birthplaces. We live in the ironically named United Kingdom. Anyone with a pair of eyes and ears can see social problems exist everywhere. People are sleeping in doorways in the rain in even the most affluent bit towns and cities. Crime is rife throughout the country. The whole country is in decline, shops lie empty. Pubs closing down all over the place. Jobs being lost all over the country on a daily basis. Budget cuts galore. Public services decimated. Yet idiots from all over the place slag off this city as though they come from paradise rather than places with exactly the same issues as us.

Liverpool is far from perfect, but I've yet to visit a place that is, and I've been around a fair bit. It seems far too many people don't seem to have the awareness to see where they come from in a realistic light. Mind you, just as nationalism is encouraged by many in this country, so is regionalism. It helps fragment the people and keeps them at each others throats rather than at the throat of the establishment which is strangling the life out of us all.

There's probably a book to be written about this whole subject and how all the things I mentioned in my other post are all interlinked. Regardless of what the Bitters think, Liverpool FC is seen as representative of this city and its ethos. From Shankly's brand of socialism to the Hillsborough families brave fight for justice and truth, it's LFC and it's fans that the country see as representative of the City of Liverpool. There is also a lot about us that scares them. Our fight, the fact we get back up after every knockdown. People often hit out at what scares them. People often hate what they fear.

The club, the city, the ethos of the city, the courage and heart of this city. The fight it has. If you are not part of it it can breed jealousy, fear, envy etc. Liverpool probably has the strongest identity of any British city. We are not the biggest city, nor the richest, yet our identity is powerful. Again, this breeds jealousy in others whose reaction is then to put us down.

The obsession with Liverpool goes far deeper than just the club itself, but as we are seen as THE representatives of this city, and football stadia and social media give people a platform to air their prejudice, we see it manifest in the away section of Anfield as well as on the internet and in the media on a regular basis.

As I said earlier, I find it amazing that in this age where information is just a mouse-click away, so many seem less knowledgeable and more ignorant than ever. Mind you, disinformation, false news and propaganda are also just a click away too, aren't they. And if a person is already prejudiced, there is no end to the amount of shite being peddled out there to feed it further.

« Last Edit: December 3, 2018, 07:18:15 pm by Son of Spion »
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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #43 on: December 4, 2018, 08:19:31 am »
Well, i'm not obsessed.

You's have Paul McCartney and we have Jimmy Nail.

So fuck you     :P

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #44 on: December 4, 2018, 08:26:04 am »
Well, i'm not obsessed.

You's have Paul McCartney and we have Jimmy Nail.

So fuck you     :P

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #45 on: December 4, 2018, 10:15:20 am »
Well, i'm not obsessed.

You's have Paul McCartney and we have Jimmy Nail.

So fuck you     :P

And Eric Burdon.

Or was he a Mackem?

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #46 on: December 4, 2018, 11:04:54 am »
And Eric Burdon.

Or was he a Mackem?
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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #47 on: December 4, 2018, 11:20:51 am »
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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #48 on: December 4, 2018, 01:04:43 pm »
Yes, he is indeed one of us.

Born 1941 in Walker / Newcastle upon Tyne

And we sang the Animals "We gotta get out of this place" in the away end at Goodison in 1965/66.

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Re: Why are other fans obsessed with Liverpool?
« Reply #49 on: December 4, 2018, 01:06:36 pm »
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