Topic: Staying put at Anfield

[BobbyDavro]

Wembley is a perfect example of how to maximise revenues inside the ground - there's food places every 10 yards.
At half-time it took me about 3 minutes to leave my seat, go get food and drink, and get back to my seat.
Toilets all over the place, it's perfect underneath the seats.

On redevelopment or not, I've never ever ever understood the maths of building new since it stopped being a £80m parry-bowl.
It simply can't be cheaper to build new rather than redevelop - even trash and start again - two new stands.

We need 60,000 tops. 
Main Stand - Currently 12000.
Anfield Road - Current 9000.
Centenary - just under 12000.
Kop - 12500.

I think they undercooked the Kop when it was rebuilt - which should have gone much higher, but anyway.
That was built over summer, it's possible to do the same with two stands and have two dedicated build teams to get the Main Stand and Anfield Road down and up again if they start mid-May.  Even if it over-runs a bit and impacts the first couple of games you're still talking 14 weeks...that's a long time if all the materials and sat ready to go.

It might be easier because of the land around it for the Anfield Road to be the biggest stand.  Say 20k for that, 15k for the mainstand...if they looked to fill in corners as well it would easily be big enough for what we need.

[BobbyDavro]

oh and SORT THE PARKING OUT YOU FUCKING WANKERS!!!!!!

thank you for listening

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Parking is fine yer lazy get

[Ryan M]

Whether this is true or not, hopefully a decision will be made soon. The people who live around the ground, including myself, have been waiting years for some development in the area. Hopefully with the stadium being redeveloped certain parts of Anfield, Walton, Everton and Norris Green could feel the benefits. I really hope a decision is made soon and the works starts quickly.

[Obviously]

The owners might want to take a look at how they did it at Westfalenstadion, as it has been expanded several times since 1992. It has gone from a capacity of 42,800 to 80,720/67,000. The south stand is for standing, which is why the capacity is 80,720 for the league games and 67.000 if the national side is playing. They equip seats in the stand for the international matches. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion#Expansions

Here you can read more about it, how they did it, how long it took and so on:

http://www.schwatzgelb.de/index.php?id=3514

[i6uuaq]

The owners might want to take a look at how they did it at Westfalenstadion, as it has been expanded several times since 1992. It has gone from a capacity of 42,800 to 80,720/67,000. The south stand is for standing, which is why the capacity is 80,720 for the league games and 67.000 if the national side is playing. They equip seats in the stand for the international matches. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion#Expansions

Here you can read more about it, how they did it, how long it took and so on:

http://www.schwatzgelb.de/index.php?id=3514

that was informative, thanks.

hopefully they don't find any bombs under the pitch when redeveloping Anfield... it would probably delay construction quite a bit.

[youll never walk alone it]

sounds good,  but we are going to be way less than 44k capacity for a longish period?  no way of doing it all end of season say in time for the next 1?
how many times have we had   to redevelop anfield  for it to still be at 44k?  the upper tier of the anny road for example?
madness.

[xerxes1]

The detail of this is well covered in the new stadium threads.

The article itself is self contradictory drivel.

[LFCfan4Life]

Only one real obstacle to still being at anfield and that's the fact that no one will allow it to be renamed and that means missing out on millions of pounds a year. Plus redevelopment will mean stands will be out of action for long periods.

Also if stands need to be made bigger what will happen? You can't make the main and centenary stands any wider due to the stadium being so close to the roads so the only way to increase capacity is to go up or make the kop and anfield road stands wider which would lead to a square stadium which won't work at all. I can't see filling in the corners of the stands adding many seats.

Was a redevelopment plan ever produced by anyone so we actually know some possibilities

[Torpedo Tommy]

sounds good,  but we are going to be way less than 44k capacity for a longish period?  no way of doing it all end of season say in time for the next 1?
how many times have we had   to redevelop anfield  for it to still be at 44k?  the upper tier of the anny road for example?
madness.

Not a chance we could build a stand in 3 months. You might be putting the steel up by then if everything went smoothly.

Ideally we could negate lost seats by starting with the smallest stand first. Unnavoidable that we'll lose capacity during redevelopment.

[Moley]

Stay or go an increase in capacity is the main thing that will happen to increase match day revenues.

Im afraid not. The major problem with Anfield is, and I guess will remain, a lack of corporate facilities.

[jam1erp]

Happy if Anfield is redeveloped. Don't think we need a massive increase - approx 10,000 extra seats? Can do it in a way you can add more later on, if/when the team becomes more successful.

I do wonder though if redevelopment of Anfield the ground means the end of redeveloping Anfield the area though? It sorely needs it and the residents must be a bit hacked off if they are to lose out.

[CHOPPER]

Whatever happens we can't stick with the main stand any longer, it's shite. In fact, it's an embarrassment.

[Slightly Less Mediocre Baron Bennekov]

Eventhough Anfield is old and in some places crap there is an atmosphere you cannot find anywhere else. I would love it if we stayed at Anfield and it was built bigger and even more frightening for away teams to come and visit.

[babraham]

Did he hear it calling in the air tonight?

It is believed that the target capacity for the new stadium is between 65,000 and 70,000 seats, although that figure could drop to an initial 60,000 with a possible extension in the coming years.

I've always said we need to get as close to Old Trafford's capacity as possible and that if it's achieveable through redevelopment, then fantastic! But if we had to move to Stanley Park to achieve that, then unfortunately it's something that just as to be done.

The above quote from the link in the OP though gives me great cause for optimism. Now lets just hope this news is credible.

Some people think 65-70k is too much but if you can't fill the ground, you drop the prices.

Joking aside - would it not be possible to complete a renovation to say the main stand over a summer? - if you had the planning, permits, materials, thousands of workers - not 45k though, etc. ready to go after the last game? I understand an expedited job would be more expensive, but would that expense be more than lost game day revenue?

Good point.

I'm alright with either as long as the number of seats increases upward to around 60,000.  And it would be brilliant if tickets to the kop for instance were cheaper than they currently are.  It would allow the local support especially the young ones to actually watch the team in action.  If the prices of box seats and corporate hospitality were to be increased then I for one wouldn't have a problem with it.  I trust John Henry to make the right decision here because he has already spoken about how Liverpool isn't London and the amount of expendable income is much lower in Liverpool when compared to London.  It fills me up with a bit of hope that he'll make more seats available for cheaper and charge the ones who can afford the luxury for it rather than forcing it on people who much rather didn't.

I trust Henry too.

He's shown me absolutely no reason to doubt him and I'm confident he will make the right decisions!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Rumours are circulating the internet that it has been decided that Liverpool will be staying at Anfield, and it will be redeveloped!


http://www.kopsource.com/kopsource-exclusive-anfield-to-be-redeveloped/

Philteddylfc Phil Collens
 by WeRehashOtherPeoplesNews
I have it on VERY good authority that Liverpool are STAYING AT ANFIELD ... I cant say where from so please dont ask, but we ARE STAYING.

Good news if true. We should never move and there is no point getting a 70,000 seater 'Stadium' - Expanding to 55,000 will be enough.

[peachybum]

Our match day revenues are currently about 60m a season down on the likes of Arsenal. We need more corporate facilities and sponsorship. 10k more seats just isn't going to make much difference. I'm not sure a redevelopment is going to bring in the money for us to compete. For our future, i'd rather have a new stadium.

[zip]

The owners might want to take a look at how they did it at Westfalenstadion, as it has been expanded several times since 1992. It has gone from a capacity of 42,800 to 80,720/67,000. The south stand is for standing, which is why the capacity is 80,720 for the league games and 67.000 if the national side is playing. They equip seats in the stand for the international matches. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion#Expansions

Here you can read more about it, how they did it, how long it took and so on:

http://www.schwatzgelb.de/index.php?id=3514

A great example of keeping the kop stand while filling in the corners and expanding the rest of stadium. Obviously, Anfield will be an all seater stadium but 60 000 would be good enough for us. If we could get some room around Anfield and then following Borussia's example, it could become a cracking stadium.

[Eeyore]

I think we should build a massive new main stand, a massive Anny Road stand to go with the redeveloped Centenary and Kop, dig the pitch up every couple of seasons and then kid ourselves that it is still the same ground.

Reminds me of only fools and horses when Trigger proudly displays a medal to anyone who will look which he was awarded by the local council for having contributed to the community by using ther same brush for the past 20 years. He then proudly holds up the brush and claims "Maintained it for 20 years. This old brooms had 17 new heads and 14 new handles in its time." When Sid inquires how it can be classed as the same brush, Trigger angrily shows him a picture of him receiving the medal and demands "Well there's the bloody picture! What more proof do you need?"

For me it is the traditions of the Club and the fans that make Anfield special not the bricks and mortar that would be demolished anyway.

[redpirate]

Will the Kop be Redevelopment?

I will dread what the atmosphere will be like if the Kop is out of action for a few months of the season.

But I guess if it's got to be done it has to be done.

Mate, it's not the Kop that brings the atmosphere...it's the PEOPLE in the Kop that create the atmosphere. And if these people...you and me...have to be spread around  the other parts of the ground for a few months then maybe that famous atmosphere would spread to other parts of the ground, which can only be a good thing.

[Obviously]

Our match day revenues are currently about 60m a season down on the likes of Arsenal. We need more corporate facilities and sponsorship. 10k more seats just isn't going to make much difference. I'm not sure a redevelopment is going to bring in the money for us to compete. For our future, i'd rather have a new stadium.

On this link there is a pdf you can download:

http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=957/title=seven+premier+league+clubs+in+football%26%23039%3Bs+rich+list

This one:
http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-UnitedKingdom/Local%20Assets/Documents/Industries/Sports%20Business%20Group/UK_SBG_DFML2011.pdf

It shows that we are not even close to Arsenal and Manchester when it comes to match day revenue.

Match day revenue PL:
1. Manchester United: 100.2 million - Stadium capacity: 75,957
2. Arsenal 93.9 million - Stadium capacity: 60.355
3. Chelsea 67.2 million - Stadium capacity: 42.050
4. Liverpool 42.9 million - Stadium capacity: 45.362
5. Tottenham 36.8 million - Stadium capacity: 36,310
6. Man City 24.4 million  - Stadium capacity: 47,726

So it looks like we'll either have to raise the capacity or raise the prices a lot to compete.

If you look at my post on the Westfalen stadium you can see that they have expanded the stadium a lot, and if we can do the same it might be the right option. But your right that we need to expand to about 65.000-70.000 if we're going to close that gap.

[Carra-ton]

Well part of the re-development will be financed from naming rights me thinks. Now, I am hoping and thinking that they will keep the name Anfield, but it will have a brand added to it...somthing like The Adidas Anfield, or Standard Chartered Anfield.
So, that will be a bit of the cherry gone, but would always happen so will have to learn to live with it.

[gazzalfc]

If you look at it from a sentimental point of view then this was the only way to go. As long as they keep the soul (if you know what I mean) of the stadium the same. If it just looks taked on to the original structure then will it be right? If they decide to change the stadium to a bowl shape would you still agree to redevelopment?

From a business and marketing point of view its a massive gamble. There is certainly going to be a loss of revenue while redevelopment takes place. What parts of the ground will be closed during the season. Can the club honestly keep a 44,000 seater going while all the work is taking place?

You only have to look at Anfield as it is right now to see that there is plenty of space to redevelop. The houses around the Main road, kop and annie road (where the food village is) are all clear for expansion.

It will be a logistical nightmare to plan this in a fair way. What will happen to season ticket holders? Will they be guaranteed their seat? Will ticket prices go up to compensate for the loss of seats?

The club have to be fully transparent in what they do for the fans to agree and accept what is happening.

[El Denzel Pepito]

Don't believe this so far, it's from LFC Transfer Speculations, which put up any sort of rumour.

If true though, would be magnificent!

[MurfySmurfy]

oh and SORT THE PARKING OUT YOU FUCKING WANKERS!!!!!!

thank you for listening

Dont use parking myself, living on a merseyrail line and all, but I think a medium sized multi-storey car park could be a good little money spinner for the club on match days for people who need to drive to matches. £5 for three hours (per match pretty much) would tempt people to use it over other expensive car parks. I guess there would need to be other anchor tenants in the area to make such a scheme viable during the week though and on weekends where there isn't a match, perhaps a joint scheme with Everton could work with adjoined restaurants/bars and possibly a cinema? Thinking aloud though now, perhaps alot of this is already discussed in the football quarter proposal which I need to fully read through.

[Benimar Col]

is this the best option in the long run ?   i know the rumours are stll only rumours but no smoke without fire

[djschembri]

is this the best option in the long run ?   i know the rumours are stll only rumours but no smoke without fire

Im sure that if they choose to redevelop Anfield it will be because the financials make sense in the long run. The owners don't seem like the sentimental type.

[Alf]

If we can increase the capacity I expect to see us remain at Anfield.

[xerxes1]

Well part of the re-development will be financed from naming rights me thinks. Now, I am hoping and thinking that they will keep the name Anfield, but it will have a brand added to it...somthing like The Adidas Anfield, or Standard Chartered Anfield.So, that will be a bit of the cherry gone, but would always happen so will have to learn to live with it.

Naming Rights values are massively in excess for a new, rather than rebranded stadium. Anfield will always be called Anfield. An "Emirates Highbury" would still be known as Highbury, it takes a move for it to really pay.

[Alan_X]

On this link there is a pdf you can download:

http://www.fcbusiness.co.uk/news/article/newsitem=957/title=seven+premier+league+clubs+in+football%26%23039%3Bs+rich+list

This one:
http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-UnitedKingdom/Local%20Assets/Documents/Industries/Sports%20Business%20Group/UK_SBG_DFML2011.pdf

It shows that we are not even close to Arsenal and Manchester when it comes to match day revenue.

Match day revenue PL:
1. Manchester United: 100.2 million - Stadium capacity: 75,957
2. Arsenal 93.9 million - Stadium capacity: 60.355
3. Chelsea 67.2 million - Stadium capacity: 42.050
4. Liverpool 42.9 million - Stadium capacity: 45.362
5. Tottenham 36.8 million - Stadium capacity: 36,310
6. Man City 24.4 million  - Stadium capacity: 47,726

So it looks like we'll either have to raise the capacity or raise the prices a lot to compete.

If you look at my post on the Westfalen stadium you can see that they have expanded the stadium a lot, and if we can do the same it might be the right option. But your right that we need to expand to about 65.000-70.000 if we're going to close that gap.

The Westfalenstadion is not really relevant to a thread about redeveloping Anfield. It was a new stadium built next to their old ground with built in capacity for expansion.

I'll leave this thread open but it would help if people could read some of the excellent stuff in here already.

[babraham]

The club have to be fully transparent in what they do for the fans to agree and accept what is happening.

Agree with this.

It's amazing how understanding and forgiving people can be if you just take the time to explain why you did what you did.

Whichever way FSG decide to go, whatever they decide needs to happen with the ticket prices in the interim, if they're fully transparent with everything and people understand why they chose the option they did, I think it will all be alright.

[F412OUK]

If they do re-develop Anfield, I really hope they also add extra seats on the Kop stand aswell, the bigger it is the better and it also gives more fans a chance to be on the Kop End. Look at Dortmunds Kop please FSG

[redbyrdz]

I so hope this is true!  Just made my day.


... i know we won earlier.... but this is better

[Garry_LFC]

Whatever happens we can't stick with the main stand any longer, it's shite. In fact, it's an embarrassment.

It's ancient isn't it and i think that'd be the first to go if demolition work had to be done. I'd like to see something similar to the OT North Stand put in it's place and both tiers of the Anny Road end extended.

[Strummer77]

Thing is if we expand the Kop almost needs to be expanded also.
Would be crap if it was dwarfed by the other ends.

[The Manhattan Project]

Concept designs/models of the new monster Main Stand will be released eventually.

Complete with executive boxes that contain jacuzzis, so you can watch the match in style!

[LiamG]

Unless Anfield can reach 65K at least in the future then there is no point in staying

[silver 5 star]

Unless Anfield can reach 65K at least in the future then there is no point in staying

United are looking to extend to 90,000. Chelsea already earn £75m in match day revenue ( compared to our current £42m ) and are rumoured to be looking to extend Stamford Bridge or move to a new site.

Filling in corners at Anfield will be time-consuming and expensive and it will be no good just adding seats.

The corporate facilities are the real money-makers and how much extra could we add?

The end result here is higher ticket prices for the duration and the pricing out of future generations of fans.

[Roady]

Thing is if we expand the Kop almost needs to be expanded also.
Would be crap if it was dwarfed by the other ends.

agree with this.cant think of a rational way to expand the kop though???

[Surprise me.]

Leaving Anfield should not even be considered, of course finding room is very hard at the same time.

Wasn't there something a while back about us thinking about buying up houses/shops around Anfield so that we could plan for expansion. It's not the best scenario to find room but it might be worth considering since it was already planned before.