Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[PaulF]

Inflation down to 3.4%. How soon date the moc lower rates?

[Lusty]

Those meetings are utter shite. The same things happen, you hear lots of ‘banging on desks’ of approval and people come out of that saying how great the PM was.

Banging on desks is the Tory equivilent of a football manager getting a vote of confidence from the chairman.

[KillieRed]

Presumably, KH refers to the public schoolboy antics of the 1922 Committee meetings with the PM.

Yes, I got that.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Yes, I got that.

My comment was more about me guessing to what KH referred.

[west_london_red]

Inflation down to 3.4%. How soon date the moc lower rates?

If the last 15 odd years are anything to go on, you can bet the BoE will take its sweet time.

[KillieRed]

My comment was more about me guessing to what KH referred.

 

Was just a poor joke.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Was just a poor joke.

I know, I know. And it was not such a poor either.

[thaddeus]

Conservative Manchester mayoral candidate defects to Reform UK

The Conservative candidate for Mayor of Greater Manchester has defected to Reform UK, accusing his former party of "giving up" on the north of England.

Dan Barker had been selected by the Conservatives in December to challenge current mayor, Labour's Andy Burnham.

He follows Lee Anderson, the former Conservative party deputy chair, who defected to Reform UK on 11 March.

Mr Barker said the Tories had abandoned northern areas to focus on other seats under threat from the Lib Dems.

He's not wrong on the Tories giving up on the north, that is if they ever really cared beyond offering up a few soundbites.  I'm not sure how he thinks Reform UK is the solution.

Burnham will win on a landslide either way but it will be interesting to see if Reform UK outperform the Tories.

[bigbonedrawky]

I didn't think I could be surprised any more by anything that this corrupt fantasist could do, but this has pulled me up.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/20/boris-johnson-uk-talks-venezuela-president-hedge-fund-nicolas-maduro

Having given Corbyn such a hard time for being a supporter of the Venezuelan crackpot Maduro, Johnson is now advising him via an international hedge fund. I always expected Venezuela to go down the Ortega/Sandanista route eventually - first of all trash socialism and your country and then become a hot-gospelling neo-liberal uber-capitalist. But I'm genuinely surprised that Johnson wants to help him. Or maybe not. There's lots of money involved.

It's a bit like Bliar and Gaddaffi in the tent ,convince them to put some sovereign wealthfund into a hedgefund abroad.
Seize the funds and then skim a few million for themselves...Maduro is a dead man walking in that scenario.

[Red Beret]

He's not wrong on the Tories giving up on the north, that is if they ever really cared beyond offering up a few soundbites.  I'm not sure how he thinks Reform UK is the solution.

Burnham will win on a landslide either way but it will be interesting to see if Reform UK outperform the Tories.

It's a play by Reform to test the strength of Labour support. I agree he's not wrong, but he's clearly looking to capitalise on anti-Tory sentiment and siphon away Labour votes.

[Yorkykopite]

It's a bit like Bliar and Gaddaffi in the tent ,convince them to put some sovereign wealthfund into a hedgefund abroad.
Seize the funds and then skim a few million for themselves...Maduro is a dead man walking in that scenario.

You don't need to worry about Maduro. He'll commit larceny on the grand scale and line his own pockets with money from his country's sovereign wealth. Don't forget. The wealthiest person by far in Venezuela is the daughter of Hugo Chavez. She's got 4.5 billion dollars tucked away in the piggy bank that Dad gave her. Never had a real job apparently.

[PaulF]

https://www.cityam.com/what-the-modellers-dont-tell-you-about-taxing-private-school-fees/

Obviously that source is never going to be in favour of vat on private schools. Interesting comments on the ifs and obs though. And the labour row back on green investment.   I'd assume though that ifs and obs had decent economists too. Just that they aren't selling their should to the capitalist gods.

[TepidT2O]

There’s no way that thise scenarios on private schools come true.
Look, state schools have been making ‘efficiency’ savings for 14 years.  During this time, private schools fees have gone up more than 40% more than state school funding
If they cannot make efficiently savings to soak up the majority of the funding increases, then they are utterly deluded.
And there’s no ways that oroate school fees should go up by more than 10%.  No way.  And if you can afford Tom pay them, there’s no way you can’t afford another 10%.

[PaulF]

There’s no way that thise scenarios on private schools come true.
Look, state schools have been making ‘efficiency’ savings for 14 years.  During this time, private schools fees have gone up more than 40% more than state school funding
If they cannot make efficiently savings to soak up the majority of the funding increases, then they are utterly deluded.
And there’s no ways that oroate school fees should go up by more than 10%.  No way.  And if you can afford Tom pay them, there’s no way you can’t afford another 10%.

Can't disagree with the majority of your points , as it's something I know nothing about.  I would think there are some parents that do everything they can to put their child through private school .  I suppose you're right though, that very few will not be able to find the extra 10%. Cost-of-living crisis on its own might cause some to pull out of the schools.

I am curious overall though, how 'tested' numbers are when they are published in terms of expected tax gain.

--edit-- I went into a sixth form college yesterday to deliver some training.  Airport style scanners and guards. Though I set off the scanner, nobody checked my bags.  Mad though.

[killer-heels]

https://www.cityam.com/what-the-modellers-dont-tell-you-about-taxing-private-school-fees/

Obviously that source is never going to be in favour of vat on private schools. Interesting comments on the ifs and obs though. And the labour row back on green investment.   I'd assume though that ifs and obs had decent economists too. Just that they aren't selling their should to the capitalist gods.

That article is by James Price, a right wing free market Adam Smith Institute nut job. They produced a report out earlier claiming there would a financial cost of this policy by Labour and that report has been rubbished by everyone apparently, unsurprisingly so seeing as it comes from those gang of scum bags.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

He's not wrong on the Tories giving up on the north, that is if they ever really cared beyond offering up a few soundbites.  I'm not sure how he thinks Reform UK is the solution.

Burnham will win on a landslide either way but it will be interesting to see if Reform UK outperform the Tories.

Nazis seem shy about being called nazi. Weird that.

[PaulF]

That article is by James Price, a right wing free market Adam Smith Institute nut job. They produced a report out earlier claiming there would a financial cost of this policy by Labour and that report has been rubbished by everyone apparently, unsurprisingly so seeing as it comes from those gang of scum bags.

Thanks Kh. I knew nothing about him, but it did seem a bit straw grasping as tepid pointed out.

[TepidT2O]

I feel a bit dirty.

Rod Liddell on question time

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1770918353634275676?s=61&t=IBM61bzNciP9yNB3C-HiEg

Blames the problems of the north on the legacy of thatcher.

I feel a bit queasy, I agree with every word

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I feel a bit dirty.

Rod Liddell on question time

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1770918353634275676?s=61&t=IBM61bzNciP9yNB3C-HiEg

Blames the problems of the north on the legacy of thatcher.

I feel a bit queasy, I agree with every word

So all Labour's fault?

Got it.

[TepidT2O]

So all Labour's fault?

Got it.

No, but the last labour government shares a bit of the blame.  Primarily he blames thatcher and the Tory giver ng now and particularly Johnson for being a congenital liar

[Andy @ Allerton!]

No, but the last labour government shares a bit of the blame.  Primarily he blames thatcher and the Tory giver ng now and particularly Johnson for being a congenital liar

That's what he said. Watch it back.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

It's a play by Reform to test the strength of Labour support. I agree he's not wrong, but he's clearly looking to capitalise on anti-Tory sentiment and siphon away Labour votes.

It will probably work.

We officially are the thickest shower of shite on the planet.

Inbred City. Braindead fuckwit. Knobbo a dickhead-a-thon.

[Jiminy Cricket]

No, but the last labour government shares a bit of the blame.  Primarily he blames thatcher and the Tory giver ng now and particularly Johnson for being a congenital liar

That's what he said. Watch it back.

'What he said', or 'not what he said'?

[Red-Soldier]

That's what he said. Watch it back.

Really.  He mainly blamed the Tories but said Labour closed the steel works.  Have a listen again.

[killer-heels]

Really.  He mainly blamed the Tories but said Labour closed the steel works.  Have a listen again.

Pretty sure the Tories closed the steel works up there didnt they?

[Red-Soldier]

Pretty sure the Tories closed the steel works up there didnt they?

I'm not sure.  It doesn't sound like a thing that happened, under Labour.

The Tories closed most things.

[Lusty]

Pretty sure the Tories closed the steel works up there didnt they?

It was originally closed during the last days of the Labour government, then reopened under the Tories and closed again a few years later.

Although, it was all privatised under Thatcher so I don't know how much either government is really to blame since then.

[rob1966]

I'm not sure.  It doesn't sound like a thing that happened, under Labour.

The Tories closed most things.

He's twisting the truth. Corus sold out to Tata in 2003 and Tata mothballed parts of it in 2009, but it was a private company, so fuck all to do with Labour. The main closures all happened in 2015 when SSI went into liquidation


From Wiki:-

In 2009, Corus announced partial mothballing of the Teesside blast furnace. Approx. 1,700 jobs eliminated.[25][26] To help the workers, a Corus Response Group was formed which developed a comprehensive package of support. This plan was in place over the past 10 months of announcement and included employment experts on site from January 2010. Support was put in place to help affected workers with individual sessions to update CVs, highlight job opportunities and look at retraining options. The response group was also supposed to work with the Teesside Cast Products function to offer similar support.[27][28][29]

[Red-Soldier]

He's twisting the truth. Corus sold out to Tata in 2003 and Tata mothballed parts of it in 2009, but it was a private company, so fuck all to do with Labour. The main closures all happened in 2015 when SSI went into liquidation


From Wiki:-

In 2009, Corus announced partial mothballing of the Teesside blast furnace. Approx. 1,700 jobs eliminated.[25][26] To help the workers, a Corus Response Group was formed which developed a comprehensive package of support. This plan was in place over the past 10 months of announcement and included employment experts on site from January 2010. Support was put in place to help affected workers with individual sessions to update CVs, highlight job opportunities and look at retraining options. The response group was also supposed to work with the Teesside Cast Products function to offer similar support.[27][28][29]

Thanks.  Didn't know that.

So, Thatcher (privatisation) fucked everything.

[rob1966]

Thanks.  Didn't know that.

So, Thatcher (privatisation fucked everything.

Great isn't it, good old British Steel ends up owned by an Indian and then a Thai company and then goes bust.

[TSC]

Police on Hester’s racist comments now.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-tory-donors-alleged-racist-comments-about-diane-abbott-13099708

[bigbonedrawky]

Police on Hester’s racist comments now.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-tory-donors-alleged-racist-comments-about-diane-abbott-13099708

I heard the call from Starmer for Sunak to return the donation. Has I heard the calls for Starmer to return the donation to David Abrahams ( Whom he personally wrote to, inviting him back to TLP )
Whats the difference ? More f #cking hypocrisy
I dont think either of them give a f #ck about Racism.

[Sangria]

I heard the call from Starmer for Sunak to return the donation. Has I heard the calls for Starmer to return the donation to David Abrahams ( Whom he personally wrote to, inviting him back to TLP )
Whats the difference ? More f #cking hypocrisy
I dont think either of them give a f #ck about Racism.

Just love that argument. "They're all the same. There's no difference between Labour and the Tories."

[Red Beret]

Just love that argument. "They're all the same. There's no difference between Labour and the Tories."

It's the most pathetic false equivalency argument it's not even worth responding to.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Just love that argument. "They're all the same. There's no difference between Labour and the Tories."

Yep. I expect that @bigbonedrawky is as likely to vote Tory or Reform as he is for Labour. He'll probably wear a blindfold and pick a candidate at random. And why not, since 'they are all the same'. He can then walk out of the polling station looking as pleased with himself as Grandad did when walking down the stairs in OFaH.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Euc3Q46k8vY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Euc3Q46k8vY</a>

[TepidT2O]

[Circa1892]

“After the next election” - as if he’s not the fucking chancellor now.

[bigbonedrawky]

Just love that argument. "They're all the same. There's no difference between Labour and the Tories."

So what is the difference Sangria ?
I'm specifically talking about Sunak and Starmer not judging the entire parties they lead. So enough with the deflection and dont put words into my mouth because thats not what I said at all.

So lets see shall we...
One of them took money before the racism. The other sent a begging letter after the racism.
One of them was racist against an individual The other was racist against Arabs, Muslims and Africans.
 
Now you have flown the anti racism flag in here before and Starmer flew the same flag in order to get elected.
I have no doubt Starmer used that as a flag of convenience to score political points.
 
Now what about you ? I'm not going to put words in your mouth, is it just a flag of convenience to you too ?
are you going to turn a blind eye ?  Your deflection suggests you want to turn a blind eye but I want to believe you are better than that Sangria...

[bigbonedrawky]

It's the most pathetic false equivalency argument it's not even worth responding to.

You are absolutely right but I didn't say that did I ...So you are wrong.

[TSC]

I heard the call from Starmer for Sunak to return the donation. Has I heard the calls for Starmer to return the donation to David Abrahams ( Whom he personally wrote to, inviting him back to TLP )
Whats the difference ? More f #cking hypocrisy
I dont think either of them give a f #ck about Racism.

Don’t know who that guy is or if he also called for folk to be shot.