Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[TepidT2O]

Got my kids booked in for their second dose in January

[jillcwhomever]

yesterday around 1.30pm. no issues other than a sore arm until today morning.

I've spoken to a few people who have said something similar, they've usually been better the next day though. So, hopefully it will be the same for you.

[TepidT2O]

Numbers not good today…


It’s going to be touch and go with hospitals …..

[Wabaloolah]

The flow-flex self testing kit is good as you only have to do the nostrils now and the waiting time is down to fifteen minutes rather than half an hour. At long last, I can get my booster done now. 

where do you order them from Jill?

[Wabaloolah]

Our Christmas drinks today, I’ve asked all my staff (only 15) to take a Lateral flow before we meet up, all but two agreed.  The two flat out refused and were offended I asked, despite the fact that I’m paying for the whole lot.  I’ve left it up to my staff whether they worked from home or not, most did, popping into the office perhaps once a week.  I haven’t communicated with these two other than via email, I have no idea about their vaccination status.  I’m half tempted to tell them not to show up, have no idea about the ramifications though.  My missus told me to let it be, but it’s really wound me up.

Am I being out of order here ?

tell the selfish fuckers not to come, why should they put everyone else's Christmas at risk, stupid selfish twats

[dirkster]

Hoping against hope that these sky high infection numbers don't lead to very high hospitalisations and subsequent fatalities

[Wabaloolah]

Numbers not good today…


It’s going to be touch and go with hospitals …..

119,787 new cases and 147 deaths, still it's only numbers! 🙄

Hospitalisations will likely take off at some point and God knows where we'll be in two weeks, still Boris has saved Christmas!

[Son of Spion]

Really is

So thankful my mum has retired from being an intensive care nurse. The strain people must be under, even without the abuse, is enormous.

Of all the people I know who work in the NHS, I don't know a single one that doesn't want to get out of it. They are absolutely burnt out and feel totally unappreciated.

[Son of Spion]

Our Christmas drinks today, I’ve asked all my staff (only 15) to take a Lateral flow before we meet up, all but two agreed.  The two flat out refused and were offended I asked, despite the fact that I’m paying for the whole lot.  I’ve left it up to my staff whether they worked from home or not, most did, popping into the office perhaps once a week.  I haven’t communicated with these two other than via email, I have no idea about their vaccination status.  I’m half tempted to tell them not to show up, have no idea about the ramifications though.  My missus told me to let it be, but it’s really wound me up.

Am I being out of order here ?

No, I don't think you are.

I mean how difficult is it to take a free, simple test which puts all in attendance at ease? It sounds like common sense to me.

[classycarra]

Off for my booster at last. I hope everyone is doing okay.

Great news Jill, pleased to hear. Hope you're well stocked for a nap or two this evening and tomorrow!

[Nick110581]

119,787 new cases and 147 deaths, still it's only numbers! 🙄

Hospitalisations will likely take off at some point and God knows where we'll be in two weeks, still Boris has saved Christmas!

I thought the data suggested hospitalisations won't be as high?

[west_london_red]

So UKHSA saying 50-70% less chance of ending up in hospital with Omicron, but also evidence that boosters start to wane after 10 weeks which is worrying but in line with what’s been coming out of Israel I’d assume.

[west_london_red]

I thought the data suggested hospitalisations won't be as high?

The chance of ending up in hospital is lower if you get infected with Omicron, but the chance you get infected is higher is why hospitalisation is a worry. It’s a smaller % of a bigger number compared to Delta.

[LFC when it suits]

So UKHSA saying 50-70% less chance of ending up in hospital with Omicron, but also evidence that boosters start to wane after 10 weeks which is worrying but in line with what’s been coming out of Israel I’d assume.

So a booster every 3 months at that rate. 3-4x a year sounds more realistic.

[Nick110581]

Just read a Alison Pearson tweet and the replies. Fuck me.

https://twitter.com/AllisonPearson/status/1473891693242077186?s=20

[TepidT2O]

Just read a Alison Pearson tweet and the replies. Fuck me.

Is that the one where she tries to tell a massively intelligent mathematician that he’s got his maths wrong?

[Gerry Attrick]

So UKHSA saying 50-70% less chance of ending up in hospital with Omicron, but also evidence that boosters start to wane after 10 weeks which is worrying but in line with what’s been coming out of Israel I’d assume.

At some point we've got to break the cycle of perpetual vaccinations because it's absolutely draining resources. Maybe the government seperate it and it becomes it's own thing but this is becoming a bit nuts and I am very pro vaccine. I've had all 3, but I wouldn't have another for at least a year I don't think.

[TepidT2O]

So UKHSA saying 50-70% less chance of ending up in hospital with Omicron, but also evidence that boosters start to wane after 10 weeks which is worrying but in line with what’s been coming out of Israel I’d assume.

10 weeks, oh FFS… I’m going to have had more pricks than Katie Price by the time this is done..


Interestingly I was reading that it seems prior infection is proving better at stopping serious infection that vaccination. Now this will be interesting in Australia, very low levels of prior infection might make this a difficult time for them.

[TSC]

119,787 new cases and 147 deaths, still it's only numbers! 🙄

Hospitalisations will likely take off at some point and God knows where we'll be in two weeks, still Boris has saved Christmas!

Right wing (cranks) media out today shouting the odds ref the reports about Omicron being less severe.  That was before today’s numbers came out.

Neither will they give as much of a nod to the extent of NHS staff off work with Covid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769251?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

[west_london_red]

10 weeks, oh FFS… I’m going to have had more pricks than Katie Price by the time this is done..


Interestingly I was reading that it seems prior infection is proving better at stopping serious infection that vaccination. Now this will be interesting in Australia, very low levels of prior infection might make this a difficult time for them.

As a layman vaccination vs infection always made sense that way to me. The vaccines focus on the spike, where as infection exposes you to the entire virus - including the more parts of the virus that don’t mutate so much - so I would have expected prior infection to provide better protection against variants (that may not be the actual reason but thus the one that makes sense to me).

[west_london_red]

At some point we've got to break the cycle of perpetual vaccinations because it's absolutely draining resources. Maybe the government seperate it and it becomes it's own thing but this is becoming a bit nuts and I am very pro vaccine. I've had all 3, but I wouldn't have another for at least a year I don't think.

Likewise, I have had my 3 Covid jabs (and 2 flu jabs in the last 12 months) but fatigue will kick in eventually, not just for the NHS but also the public I suspect. Hopefully better, longer lasting vaccines are on the horizon in the not too distant future because 3-4 doses a year doesn’t seem sustainable.

[jillcwhomever]

where do you order them from Jill?

I ordered them from the NHS site I will see if I can get a link up shortly.

[Commie Bobbie]

Really is

So thankful my mum has retired from being an intensive care nurse. The strain people must be under, even without the abuse, is enormous.

Most days I think about what if my mother was still working in the care home she worked for over 15 years before retiring - the thoughts are just hideous.

[jillcwhomever]

Great news Jill, pleased to hear. Hope you're well stocked for a nap or two this evening and tomorrow!

Yikes, I am supposed to be going away tomorrow. They told me to hit the paracetamol the moment I got home. 😀

[Elmo!]

As a layman vaccination vs infection always made sense that way to me. The vaccines focus on the spike, where as infection exposes you to the entire virus - including the more parts of the virus that don’t mutate so much - so I would have expected prior infection to provide better protection against variants (that may not be the actual reason but thus the one that makes sense to me).

My layman understanding of the Valneva vaccine - which is still in trials and the UK government has cancelled it's orders for - is that is based on a decativated version of the whole virus (rather than just the spike protein), which to me would suggest that it might have a similar response?

[PaulF]

Of all the people I know who work in the NHS, I don't know a single one that doesn't want to get out of it. They are absolutely burnt out and feel totally unappreciated.

Are you saying the Thursday clap wasn't enough?

[jillcwhomever]

where do you order them from Jill?

Here's the link.

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests

[jillcwhomever]

Of all the people I know who work in the NHS, I don't know a single one that doesn't want to get out of it. They are absolutely burnt out and feel totally unappreciated.

It's shocking, I've been following some of them on twitter just trying to support them where you can. But it's horrible what they have to go through to be honest. 

[Studgotelli]

Omicron 50-70% less likely to cause hospitalisation than Delta according to the UK health agency then...

Boris got a get out jail free card with scaring everyone into forgetting about their shenanigans…

[west_london_red]

My layman understanding of the Valneva vaccine - which is still in trials and the UK government has cancelled it's orders for - is that is based on a decativated version of the whole virus (rather than just the spike protein), which to me would suggest that it might have a similar response?

You would think so, but apparently there was a vaccine (not for Covid) where they did something similar (I forget the disease) and apparently if recipients got infected they actually had worse outcomes then those that didn’t have the vaccine in question.

[cormorant]

So UKHSA saying 50-70% less chance of ending up in hospital with Omicron, but also evidence that boosters start to wane after 10 weeks which is worrying but in line with what’s been coming out of Israel I’d assume.

Willing to step into the breach here. Also willing to be corrected by better educated folk than me.

I'm well aware of the widely quoted 100 day development time for updated vaccines. Barely seen anything on the news about the major players making a serious push. If put in terms of it being a race against the virus, surely the the time is now, no?

[Thepooloflife]

Off for my booster at last. I hope everyone is doing okay.

Great news Jill - hope it goes alright for you. I had Pfizer after having 2 AZ doses, but it was fine....just a little ache in the arm next day.

[So… Howard Philips]

Willing to step into the breach here. Also willing to be corrected by better educated folk than me.

I'm well aware of the widely quoted 100 day development time for updated vaccines. Barely seen anything on the news about the major players making a serious push. If put in terms of it being a race against the virus, surely the the time is now, no?

I think the problem is that they can make an Omicron specific vaccine in 100 days but by then it should have ripped through the population so may not be needed.

[cormorant]

I think the problem is that they can make an Omicron specific vaccine in 100 days but by then it should have ripped through the population so may not be needed.

Yeah, I get that. But as the virus evolves, then surely the vaccines have to follow?

[djahern]

So a booster every 3 months at that rate. 3-4x a year sounds more realistic.

Not necessarily. This waning is for infection only, protection against severe disease is still actually increasing at this point for boosters.

Delta and omicron are different beasts when is comes to immune escape - its not a surprise that omicron will get around protection against infection even with a booster, maybe a surprise it’s noticeable already. But it does have very high immune escape.

The key is protection against severe disease, reduction of this was what drove the push for boosters. This could still remain very high after the booster dose, or drop eventually only in particular older or vulnerable groups. For groups where it remains high, a 4th shot isn’t required. Remember the aim is to bring down severe disease, not prevent every infection if those infections don’t require treatment or lead to bad outcomes.

[jillcwhomever]

Great news Jill - hope it goes alright for you. I had Pfizer after having 2 AZ doses, but it was fine....just a little ache in the arm next day.

Thanks.    That's good to know you are fixed up too, they were doing a roaring trade where I went in and out really quickly. The NHS is doing a fantastic job.

[Son of Spion]

Thanks.    That's good to know you are fixed up too, they were doing a roaring trade where I went in and out really quickly. The NHS is doing a fantastic job.

Glad you're all sorted, Jill.

[djahern]

Omicron 50-70% less likely to cause hospitalisation than Delta according to the UK health agency then...

Boris got a get out jail free card with scaring everyone into forgetting about their shenanigans…

The question everyone should ask themselves is do you take this number and ignore reports like Imperial’s yesterday that said a more modest 10-30% reduction?

Because they are both an analysis of pretty much identical datasets.

[jillcwhomever]

Glad you're all sorted, Jill.

Thanks, hope you are too.

[Son of Spion]

Thanks, hope you are too.

I am.    Thanks.