Topic: Liverpool's Defence

[clinical]

dear god no!!!!!!!!!!

Why?

When Carragher was here the whole time the boring conversation was about how deep he was compared to other centre backs. I find his criticism on pushing out a bit baffling at times when he was one of the most conservative and risk wary defenders around.

Yeah but he only sat deep because he knew he had absolutely no pace. I mean he would be great at teaching them when to move across etc

[killer-heels]

Steve Bould had never coached before he came to Arsenal.

Yes because Arsenal's defending in the big games last season was a joy to behold.

[RedBeast]

When Carragher was here the whole time the boring conversation was about how deep he was compared to other centre backs. I find his criticism on pushing out a bit baffling at times when he was one of the most conservative and risk wary defenders around.

Skrtel may find his spacing comment a bit rich. Particularly when Carra raced into Skrtel's area to break his jaw... What sort of spacing was that?

[Funky_Gibbons]

Steve Bould had never coached before he came to Arsenal.

Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1

[clinical]

What qualifications has Carragher got to be coaching the defence of a team that finished second last season, given that he has never coached before?

Qualifications are a waste of time mate in this game. Because suddenly a few lessons tells you how to manage, just wait a minute whilst Davey fucking Moyes gets out his whiteboards to teach you a few things

[killer-heels]

Yeah but he only sat deep because he knew he had absolutely no pace. I mean he would be great at teaching them when to move across etc

Whats to say Rodgers isn't doing that? He could be banging on about individual errors simply because defenders may not be doing what they are supposed to at key points.

[Chris~]

Steve Bould had never coached before he came to Arsenal.

He worked his way up through Arsenal. Wenger didn't just ring him up and ask him to come sort everything out.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Steve Bould had never coached before he came to Arsenal.

As I said - uninformed twaddle:

After retiring, he began working towards his UEFA coaching badges and in June 2001 moved back to Arsenal and became a coach for the youth teams. He was the head coach of Arsenal's U18 Academy side, whom he led to winning the Premier Academy League 2008–2009,[7] 2009–2010[8] and FA Youth Cup in 2008–2009.[9] On 10 May 2012, it was announced that Steve Bould will become Arsenal's new assistant manager following the retirement of Pat Rice at the end of the season.

[clinical]

Whats to say Rodgers isn't doing that? He could be banging on about individual errors simply because defenders may not be doing what they are supposed to at key points.

He could well be but it obviously isn't working

[lorenzo23]

When Carragher was here the whole time the boring conversation was about how deep he was compared to other centre backs. I find his criticism on pushing out a bit baffling at times when he was one of the most conservative and risk wary defenders around.

But we loved him for it but hate Skrtel for it.

[Mutton Geoff]

Why?

Yeah but he only sat deep because he knew he had absolutely no pace. I mean he would be great at teaching them when to move across etc

would you say from memory was Carra a proactive defender who could read the game or a reactive one full of last ditch tackles AKA Skrtel lite ?

Now sadly he is a Brighton but Sami could coach defenders,  let Carra take the Sky money.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

lol at carragher.

think he has been reading these forums a bit too much.
too much idealism without proper thought

[Hayer]

Yeah because being there is the be all and end all. I mean without him we wouldn't have been as creative. But wait, he wasn't even the highest assister in those games was he. Clearly there is no way that Gerrard, Coutinho etc. would have created the goals without Suarez there.

Against Everton, he scored. But yeah without him winning the ball and laying off the pass, a through ball being played and being clinically finished for the second wouldn't have happened would it? Guess what, he didn't assist a goal in that game either.

Even if he might of not directly assisted in some of these games, his presence alone gave the rest of our attack a platform to play.

[Scott0908]

At times we where all over the place defensively against southampton, could of lost that game. Yesterday was the same, against clincal teams we will struggle. Needs to be sorted.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Qualifications are a waste of time mate in this game. Because suddenly a few lessons tells you how to manage, just wait a minute whilst Davey fucking Moyes gets out his whiteboards to teach you a few things

Nonsense. If it were that simple, Shearer would have been a success at Newcastle, right? And Sherwood would have had Spurs in the top four, right? And Maradona would have won the World Cup, right?

Qualifications don't make the coach, but if you don't learn how to get your message across, then it doesn't matter what your background is in the game.

For example, our current manager retired before he was 21. Tim Sherwood has a Premier League winners medal. Who is the better coach?

[Mutton Geoff]

He could well be but it obviously isn't working

two games and we won one of them, and you want to judge on that, i would say thats not a Clinical judgement myself.

[killer-heels]

But we loved him for it but hate Skrtel for it.

Loved him in that system. Think he would have struggled in our system.

[Carra-ton]

A bit disappointed, that we couldn't keep it tight at the back. Hard to say if this is due to new team mates, or whether we just never have any defensive cues. I suspect, it is the latter. We defend in a reactionary way, which tells me it is more systemic than individuals. Hope, Rodgers can fix it, though I wouldn't expect it to tighten up soon, an odd clean sheet will help, but we might leak goals for a while.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

But we loved him for it but hate Skrtel for it.

think the pro active mob have to answer to this.

what happened to good reading ability......lastnight louvrens went completely awol

[Hayer]

Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1

Their defence has improved though. They have been poor in the big games, but against the rest of the league they have gained a lot of clean sheets and not been as weak as they were before he came in.

[redmark]

Nonsense. If it were that simple, Shearer would have been a success at Newcastle, right? And Sherwood would have had Spurs in the top four, right? And Maradona would have won the World Cup, right?

Qualifications don't make the coach, but if you don't learn how to get your message across, then it doesn't matter what your background is in the game.

For example, our current manager retired before he was 21. Tim Sherwood has a Premier League winners medal. Who is the better coach?

(I think your sarcasm filter is off ).

[killer-heels]

Even if he might of not directly assisted in some of these games, his presence alone gave the rest of our attack a platform to play.

I think you will find the manager did that. Suarez was here a while and we didn't get remotely as close. Other players getting better, making Suarez himself even better along with a top manager getting his ideas across did.

[Fromola]

Would Carra come in and be a defensive coach one day a week? Would be one of the best signings of the summer. Since he's gone our defending has been awful, yeah he lost it a bit in his last couple of seasons but only because his body, his positioning was still good. Our positioning right now is the key

our defending has been awful since that first game at West Brom in 2012.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Loved him in that system. Think he would have struggled in our system.

we have a system?

[PhaseOfPlay]

(I think your sarcasm filter is off ).

Bloody hell. This forum sometimes!

[RedBeast]

would you say from memory was Carra a proactive defender who could read the game or a reactive one full of last ditch tackles AKA Skrtel lite ?

Now sadly he is a Brighton but Sami could coach defenders,  let Carra take the Sky money.

We are operating under the misapprehension that our back four don't know where they should be on the field. If they rematch on film, I'm certain that they would know better than you, I or Carra about what they should have done.

It's sticking to the plan when under duress that is the key. As Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan, until they get hit!"

[Funky_Gibbons]

Their defence has improved though. They have been poor in the big games, but against the rest of the league they have gained a lot of clean sheets and not been as weak as they were before he came in.

Man City 6 Arsenal 3
Chelsea 6 Arsenal 0
Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1
Everton 3 Arsenal 0

[SwordInYourGut]

I'd like to see Rodgers pick a back 4 and STICK TO IT for the season. It will sort itself out over time.

A settled back 4 would've prevented the 1st and 2nd goals easily yest.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

our defending has been awful since that first game at West Brom in 2012.

bang on

[Hayer]

Man City 6 Arsenal 3
Chelsea 6 Arsenal 0
Liverpool 5 Arsenal 1
Everton 3 Arsenal 0

'The big games'.

For the most part, they have certainly improved at the back under Bould.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

I'd like to see Rodgers pick a back 4 and STICK TO IT for the season. It will sort itself out over time.

A settled back 4 would've prevented the 1st and 2nd goals easily yest.

i think so too
but it seems no matter who we pick it doesnt work.


maybe get ina  proper defensive coach too

[Robinred]

Memo to PoP, KH, Redmark:

Don't feed the trolls.

[killer-heels]

we have a system?

Yeah because you know, getting 2nd in the league just requires someone putting a load of players together who came 7th the previous season and telling them to go play.

[Funky_Gibbons]

'The big games'.

For the most part, they have certainly improved at the back under Bould.

They only conceded 9-goals fewer than us and four more than the previous season.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Memo to PoP, KH, Redmark:

Don't feed the trolls.

"Finding Memo"

[lorenzo23]

Loved him in that system. Think he would have struggled in our system.

Not really mate people would come on and speak about Carra last ditch tackles how amazing they were. Yet when it comes to Skrtel its like well yeah it was good recovery tackle but he was in wrong position in first place.

Carra use to be all over players in the box at corners as well, not really massive issue as other team does it to us. Switch roles with Skrtel and its cardinal sin, for me personally they are pretty much same player other than Skrtel has more pace.

I understand system are different now compared to now but they defend the same and it wasn't big deal then but is now.

[HighSix]

Pleased we seem to have a clear first choice in four of the back five positions in Mignolet, Skrtel, Lovren & Moreno. Hope after the international break Flanagan has a run of games at rightback as I believe he will fight off the competition. Not a fan of swapping in & out CBs every other week as we need partnerships to form.

[Hayer]

They only conceded 9-goals fewer than us and four more than the previous season.

Only 9 goals? That's a big difference.

Bould has made a difference, there is no debate over that.

[killer-heels]

Not really mate people would come on and speak about Carra last ditch tackles how amazing they were. Yet when it comes to Skrtel its like well yeah it was good recovery tackle but he was in wrong position in first place.

Carra use to be all over players in the box at corners as well, not really massive issue as other team does it to us. Switch roles with Skrtel and its cardinal sin, for me personally they are pretty much same player other than Skrtel has more pace.

I understand system are different now compared to now but they defend the same and it wasn't big deal then but is now.

I certainly don't have the footballing knowledge to talk about when someone should or should not push out unless it is obvious (the city game at home in April was obvious). For me my crictisms of Skrtel were losing too many 1v1 battles.

[killer-heels]

Only 9 goals? That's a big difference.

Bould has made a difference, there is no debate over that.

Yet we scored how many more?