Author Topic: What was the greater achievement? (Read 7106 times)

-Willo- · « **on:** January 8, 2019, 10:28:03 pm »

I had this debate in work... What is the greater achievement?

Chelsea 2004/2005 - Conceding 15 goals all season

Man City 2017/2018 - 100 points in a season

Arsenal 2003/2004 - Unbeaten all season.

I think its more likely we'll see an unbeaten season again before the achievements of City/Chelsea, but most seem to think the Arsenal teams the greatest in premier league history because they went unbeaten?

For me it goes.

1. Chelsea (I honestly don't think we'll ever see this happen again - nobody will get close to this record)
2. Man City
3. Arsenal

Dim Glas · « **Reply #1 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:32:39 pm »

Arsenal, easily.

Nothing the plastic lottery clubs 'achieve' impresses me, so I can't see it as a great achievement.

Caligula? · « **Reply #2 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:33:48 pm »

I think Arsenal probably shade it. Usually I'd say City, but they've really been getting on my nerves lately.

We've just seen how hard it really is to go unbeaten all season long. Yet Arsenal did it without the financial doping that City and Chelsea have had the fortune of receiving. Yes, maybe the league was less competitive then since nowadays you have the likes of Fulham and West Ham spending bags of money on players which was unheard of back 10-15 years ago, but I still think going unbeaten all season long is a hell of an achievement.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #3 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:34:24 pm »

Agree. Arsenal.

Proper football club, great manager, great team.

CallumLFC · « **Reply #4 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:34:25 pm »

Arsenal invincibles.

El Lobo · « **Reply #5 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:40:55 pm »

Leicester

Ziltoid · « **Reply #6 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:41:50 pm »

You can concede 1 goal all season yet still lose a game

You can get 100pts plus all season and still lose games

Going unbeaten is pretty good, however you can possibly be relegated going through the season unbeaten.

So, which could happen first? Team to win all games or team to lose all games?

Son of Spion · « **Reply #7 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:42:37 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on January 8, 2019, 10:32:39 pm

Arsenal, easily.

Nothing the plastic lottery clubs 'achieve' impresses me, so I can't see it as a great achievement.

Definitely Arsenal.

Nothing the other two do is valid to me.

thaddeus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:43:58 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on January 8, 2019, 10:32:39 pm

Arsenal, easily.

Nothing the plastic lottery clubs 'achieve' impresses me, so I can't see it as a great achievement.

Precisely.

With Chelsea and Man City it's like looking through the record books of French football and marvelling at PSG post 2011 - utterly meaningless.

I really don't see anyone going a top flight season unbeaten in the next few decades. Arsenal achieved it with a mixed bag of a team that, even for the time, was put together relatively cheaply. They also did so playing great football.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #9 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:48:05 pm »

Quote from: Die Nullfünfer on January 8, 2019, 10:32:39 pm

Arsenal, easily.

Nothing the plastic lottery clubs 'achieve' impresses me, so I can't see it as a great achievement.

Absoultely DN, Arsenal were a proper football club when they achieved that, living within their means.

Motty · « **Reply #10 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:49:10 pm »

Arsenal
City
Chelsea

Jookie · « **Reply #11 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:50:05 pm »

Arsenal going unbeaten for a season is the best achievement.

But they definitely weren’t the best team in the Premier League era. United 07-09, Chelsea 04-06 and City 17-18 are arguably all better teams than the “Invincibles”

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #12 on:** January 8, 2019, 10:54:58 pm »

Arsenal, even if they should have won the CL as well that year

Wingman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 8, 2019, 11:00:48 pm »

Quote from: Jookie on January 8, 2019, 10:50:05 pm

Arsenal going unbeaten for a season is the best achievement.

But they definitely weren’t the best team in the Premier League era. United 07-09, Chelsea 04-06 and City 17-18 are arguably all better teams than the “Invincibles”

I’d argue Arsenal 01-04 were every bit as good. As were Man Utd 98-01

stevieG786 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 9, 2019, 12:36:14 am »

Quote from: -Willo- on January 8, 2019, 10:28:03 pm

1. Chelsea (I honestly don't think we'll ever see this happen again - nobody will get close to this record)

We’ll beat that, this season

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #15 on:** January 9, 2019, 12:53:27 am »

How is this even a debate? Chelsea and City are shitbag clubs that bought every bit of success they have had. Nothing they do can be considered an achievement. It can be considered bought.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #16 on:** January 9, 2019, 01:07:44 am »

Arsenal.

The Chelsea thing shouldn’t even be in contention.

Lotus Eater · « **Reply #17 on:** January 9, 2019, 01:22:47 am »

Quite simple

In a league where it’s all about accumulating the most points - it’s City’s Season

S · « **Reply #18 on:** January 9, 2019, 02:26:17 am »

Arsenal because they managed theirs with style too.

Chelsea were easier on the eye than many remember under a young Mourinho and City obviously played great football last season. People will talk about that Arsenal team for decades though.

In Henry they had the finest player in the world. Pires and Bergkamp brought technical grace. Vieira, Gilberto, Campbell and Toure were all physically dominant. Ashley Cole had that electric pace.

The average fan in the street knows Chelsea and City won the league but probably doesn’t remember much more. Everybody remembers that Arsenal team.

The North Bank · « **Reply #19 on:** January 9, 2019, 03:05:43 am »

I’ll have to go with Arsenal as well.

rowan_d · « **Reply #20 on:** January 9, 2019, 03:19:15 am »

Arsenal

Look how much of a strain it was for us to have gone 20 unbeaten. Imagine doing that run twice in succession, with no break. Then there's the pressure that mounts after the first 15 or so matches when people start to talk about the prospect of it.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #21 on:** January 9, 2019, 03:34:10 am »

Arsenal.

Invincible seasons are so easy to do, they've only been done 67 times in Europe since 1888.

carven · « **Reply #22 on:** January 9, 2019, 04:13:11 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on January 9, 2019, 03:34:10 am

Arsenal.

Invincible seasons are so easy to do, they've only been done 67 times in Europe since 1888.

And only twice in England?

-Willo- · « **Reply #23 on:** January 9, 2019, 07:01:17 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on January 9, 2019, 03:34:10 am

Arsenal.

Invincible seasons are so easy to do, they've only been done 67 times in Europe since 1888.

I’d imagine there’s less than 67 teams that have done the 100 points season/15 goals conceded?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #24 on:** January 9, 2019, 07:04:54 am »

City
Chelsea
Arsenal

Arsenal went unbeaten but they weren’t the greatest side. They drew quite a lot of games.

rob1966 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 9, 2019, 07:13:03 am »

Quote from: Eel Lobo on January 8, 2019, 10:40:55 pm

Leicester

Of the choices, Arsenal gets it for me. Them and Preston (in a very small league) are the only ones to achieve it in England. They may have drawn a lot that season, but no-one could beat them.

Chelseas 15 in a season isn't the record, (0.39 per game) as in 78-79 we only conceded 16 over a 42 game season (0.38), so we still hold it.

100pts is a great amount to record, but they've just lashed money at the team, so I have no respect for what they do. We still twatted them 3 times last season too. I know the home game finished 4-3, but it could easily have been 5 or 6 we scored.

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #26 on:** January 9, 2019, 08:49:49 am »

Quote from: -Willo- on January 9, 2019, 07:01:17 am

I’d imagine there’s less than 67 teams that have done the 100 points season/15 goals conceded?

Well 100 points is only possible when there's three points for a win and at least 34 games

rob1966 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:07:22 am »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on January 9, 2019, 08:49:49 am

Well 100 points is only possible when there's three points for a win and at least 34 games

People also need to recognise the changes in the game. That 78-79 season, we got 68 pts in a 42 game season at 2pts for a win, I think we used about 14 players (need to check), you only had 1 sub, most players played all season and the game wasn't so weighted to attackers. I was watching the Big Match Revisted last night, us beating Stoke 5-1 in March 83 on a crap Anfield pitch. They showed Everton away at Sunderland - Sheedy scored a cracker, disallowed for offside - there was a player almost out of camera shot standing offside -that would be given today. Elton Welsby actually said in commentary about the argument was he interfering with play or not?

ScottScott · « **Reply #28 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:11:35 am »

It's Arsenal

As said above by many anything City and Chelsea do is invalidated by the fact that they are oil money clubs built on corruption and human rights violations. Nothing they do will ever be valid in my eyes

damomad · « **Reply #29 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:12:11 am »

Arsenal. As they closer to the end of the season, teams with not much to play for themselves would still be going all out to end their streak.

Teams rolled over for City and Chelsea.

Runehammer · « **Reply #30 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:15:17 am »

Arsenal no contest!

MakeUsDreamAgain · « **Reply #31 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:21:39 am »

The greatest achievement IMO is getting 100 points. But not while financially doped.

So, for me, if Arsenal (or any other team than the 2 plastics) would have done all three (15 goals, 100 points, unbeaten), the 100 points one would have been the greatest. Then the unbeaten one. And then the 15 goals (which is still amazing).

paulrazor · « **Reply #32 on:** January 9, 2019, 09:56:40 am »

Arsenal

Citys was pretty good it has to be said money or not

chelsea definitely third

Ravishing Rick Dude · « **Reply #33 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:05:14 am »

Istanbul!

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #34 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:34:38 am »

Arsenal
City
Chelsea

Arsenal played great football, developed young players and did it with a modest spend.

LallanaInPyjamas · « **Reply #35 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:35:34 am »

In an alternate universe we draw at Spurs and Boro in 08/09 but still don't win the league.

It's City.

ChaChaMooMoo · « **Reply #36 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:38:55 am »

Arsenal invincibles.

The rest two can get to fuck for all I care about them and their sugar daddies. The sooner they fuck off, the sooner people will realise that they were winning because of the money they have been splurging around like a drunk rich recently single homeboy at a strip club.

But whilst we are on this topic, what would say was a greater achievement?

Arsenal invincibles

or

Leicester title

Sharado · « **Reply #37 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:45:05 am »

Obviously it's arsenal, regardless of the dubious funding of the other clubs it's a far better achievement. Pointless thread.

paulrazor · « **Reply #38 on:** January 9, 2019, 10:55:21 am »

Quote from: ChaChaMooMoo on January 9, 2019, 10:38:55 am

Leicester all the way

Andy82lfc · « **Reply #39 on:** January 9, 2019, 11:13:07 am »

Quote from: Sharado on January 9, 2019, 10:45:05 am

Obviously it's arsenal, regardless of the dubious funding of the other clubs it's a far better achievement. Pointless thread.

This. Completely pointless based on the actual question asked.

If bankrolling clubs by oil rich states is allowed then city, but then we should also allow winning teams from the EA sports fifa e-world cup. That's not being bitter it's a fact in how the game changed, they've literally been given a blank cheque, literally. You can't in any world compare the two.