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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #280 on: March 22, 2010, 01:23:32 pm »
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #281 on: March 22, 2010, 01:37:00 pm »
I think I will use a quote from Rednapp to descibe Messi..."he's from a different stratosphere!"

A top, top stratosphere?

I was about to say I hope he comes up against the Mancs again this season to cement his status as best in the world but that would mean United getting to the final.

TV coverage has come on so much (in terms of quantity of games shown, not quality!) so we get to see him nearly every game if we choose. Obviously that wasn’t the case for Maradona and Pele. Do you think that makes it easier to praise Messi or does it work the other way and mean that because there’s less footage to go around of Pele and Maradona it’s easier to get all nostalgic about them? I know his record on the international stage doesn’t stack up (and to be fair he was only peripheral in his first World Cup, much like Maradona I think?), but how do his goalscoring rate compare to Maradona? Although I can remember Maradona’s World Cup exploits I only know the basics of his club career – good at Barca, out of this world at Napoli. For those who can remember – was he different to Messi? If so, how?

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #282 on: March 22, 2010, 02:21:07 pm »
Sid Lowe in today's Guardian gets it right:

Man ... Superman ... Leo Messi

It's not big and it's not clever but sometimes swearing is the only thing that will do. Sometimes you've used up every other word and nothing else quite hits the spot. You've rummaged round the back of the sofa, rifled through the drawers, turned out your pockets and still come up empty. Pep Guardiola insisted that he was clean out of adjectives and frankly so was everyone else. Spain was suffering a severe shortage of superlatives last night. The Catalan newspaper Sport invited readers to send in headlines for what they had just witnessed and there were plenty of super, sensational and sublimes, some magic, magnificent and marvellouses, wows and wonderfuls, plus deities by the dozen, and even a Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, but still there was no way to really do it justice. No polite way anyway. Just wide eyes, a wider mouth and a simple: holy shit!

What they had witnessed would have been one of the most brilliant performances imaginable from Leo Messi but for one thing: you would never have imagined it. He was unbebloodylievable. The milk. The consecrated bread. The dog's dingly-danglies.

It was a performance that started off well, got better in the middle, and by the end was barely believable. One that left you feeling exhausted just watching it, full of ridiculously good touches. It got better and better and better and when you thought it couldn't get any better it got better again. One that went from Crikey to Bloody Hell to Oh my God to Now, you're really taking the mickey. Only Messi wasn't taking the mickey, he was just playing football – the way he plays football. The way no one else has played football. Maybe ever before.

"I'm not sure he's human," said the Zaragoza playmaker Ander Herrera of Messi's display in their 4-2 defeat. "Tonight, I saw Diego Maradona," declared the Real Zaragoza coach José Aurelio Gay, "but at more revs per minute. There are no words left to describe him – he is interplanetary. We could have beaten Barcelona but we could never have beaten Leo Messi. If we had scored four, he would have scored 12."

He didn't get 12, he got three. For his first trick, Messi headed Barcelona into the lead. For his second trick he won the ball near the halfway line, dashed through, the ball never leaving his foot, stepped round three challenges, left Matteo Contini on his backside, and hit a low shot into the net. And for his hat-trick, he curled in a beauty from the edge of the area. Then he produced a bit of barely plausible skill inside the Zaragoza penalty area, flicking over one man and stepping beyond another, before being pulled down for a penalty. It would have been his fourth only he got up, dusted himself off and handed the ball to Zlatan Ibrahimovic instead. "Well," Messi shrugged, "Zlatan needed it."

He certainly did. If Messi has scored the unscoreable, the Swede, who had scored only once this year, had missed the unmissable. No wonder everyone went weak at the knees. He's a genius – and so generous too! He'd done the truly impossible – scored three and made Ibrahimovic score too.

He was, insisted Carles Ruipérez in La Vanguardia, "Unbelievable. Unrivalled. Unrepeatable. Spectacular. Marvellous. Wonderful. Genial. Incredible." "Messi is the God of football," declared Sport. "Stratospheric. Magical. Divine. Generous. Extraordinary." "ET," ran the headline inside, "was born in Rosario and plays in Barcelona." "Brutal," added El Mundo Deportivo. On the inside, they were recalling the famous Ronaldo goal against Compostela – one so insultingly good it had Bobby Robson pacing back and forth on the touchline, head in hands muttering: "I don't believe it! I don't believe it!" and the Compostela players threatening to sue for damages. "Maradona + Ronaldo," ran the equation "= Messi". El País called him "infinity", while El Mundo reserved for him a "place amongst the greatest".

Speaking of the greatest, even Marca, the newspaper who decided to ignore Messi's brilliance against Stuttgart on Wednesday by splashing on the breaking news that Muhammad Ali is a legend, found a place for him on their cover. Near the bottom, but on the cover nonetheless, with the headline "Super Messi". "Maradona, here's your son," it said inside. AS too gave Messi big billing – just above a Rafa van der Vaart explaining that just because he controlled the ball with his hands it doesn't mean he handballed it. "Messi," said the paper, "is from another world!"

All of which might seem a bit over the top for a hat-trick against the side that conceded six against Real Madrid and lie just three points above the relegation zone. Late last night, on the ape-house shouting-fest that is Punto Pelota, Pedro Pablo San Martín turned on his fellow guests, accusing them of "popping Viagra", shouting: "Stop going on about him all the time! It's only Zaragoza!"

Only, it's not. And that is the point. It's not only Zaragoza, it's everyone else too. It's every game. For Barcelona, at least. One of the incredible things about Messi is how rarely he disappoints. In fact, it's tempting to conclude that he has made the ridiculous so routine that he doesn't get talked about as much as deserves; playing perfectly is hardly news. It was not just Zaragoza, it was the fact that Messi has now scored two La Liga hat-tricks in a row, after an astonishingly brilliant three against Valencia last week. It was the fact that, until he handed the ball to Ibrahimovic, he had scored Barcelona's last nine goals. It was the display against Stuttgart that prompted Christian Gross to admit: "Comparing him to Maradona is perfectly licit now." It was the eight in a week. The 11 in five games. The free-kick against Almería – so subtle, so stupidly soft you wonder if he was wearing slippers. And playing with a balloon. The 25 in the league already, the 34 in all competitions.

It's not just the goals either. When it comes to the inevitable and often tedious comparisons with Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the things that is often said about Messi is that he is not as complete. Earlier this season the pro-Real Madrid newspaper Marca asked the man who had just published a glossy, club-sponsored biography of Ronaldo to do a comparison of Ronaldo and Messi in the midst of its campaign to beatify the Portuguese – and get pictures of him with his top off on their cover as often as possible. Surprise, surprise, Ronaldo won. He scored higher than Messi in heading, speed, shooting, leadership, physical condition, and free-kicks and penalties, scoring the same in technique and passing.

It was not a new conclusion. In England too Ronaldo is invariably described as more complete than Messi – stronger, faster, bigger, more athletic. But aren't they all part of the same package, an obsession with physical strength? Isn't that a pretty incomplete reading of complete? Last season Messi scored twice as many Champions League goals with half as many shots. This season, Messi is the league's top scorer with 10 more than Ronaldo, has provided more assists than anyone else (Ronaldo is not in the top 20) and has completed more passes than any other attacker. He hasn't even taken any penalties.

Yes, they were acting like they were on Viagra. But, no, it wasn't just Zaragoza. It is everything Messi has done throughout his career. The 79 goals in 129 games. The two European Cups and three league titles. If he was not already the best player in the world in his first three seasons – 30 goals in 60 games – it's because of injury. Every season, he missed at least 10 matches. But when he played there were special moments. That unbelievable hat-trick against Real Madrid. That Getafe goal. The pair of destructions of Atlético Madrid. The naturalness with which he took over from Ronaldinho – every bit as much the messiah but not such a naughty boy.

You always felt he was just an injury-free season away from being the best. Last season he got it. Last season he got 38. The top scorer's award in the Champions League. The goal in the Champions League final. And the World Club Cup final. And the two in what was effectively the league final – the historic 6-2 against Real Madrid at the Santiago Bernabéu, when he was described as "Maradona, Cruyff, and Best rolled into one". As well as the Copa sublime hat-trick that knocked Atlético out of the Cup and saw the Vicente Calderón hand him a standing ovation.

It is everything Messi has done and how he has done it. It is the sheer stupidness of his talent, the ohmygoddidyoujustseewhathedid? about him. The fact that he gets hacked at and somehow keeps on running, that he'd be like a Weeble only he hardly ever even wobbles. That the ball, to use the old cliché, really does seem to be tied to his feet. He doesn't even seem to kick it most of the time: like a faithful dog, it just runs alongside him. That he's like the kid in the under-10s team that picks the ball up, runs rings round everyone and scores; that he is exactly the kid he was when he was a kid. That he goes from 0-60 in no time and from 60-0 again in even less – what was so stunning about his goal against Valencia last weekend was how suddenly he stopped, sending the defender screeching by like a cartoon character off a cliff.

It is that last night his president Joan Laporta announced that Messi is the best player in Barcelona's history – and it didn't sound completely ridiculous. Premature, yes. Exaggerated, probably. But not completely ridiculous. Yes, Messi has more to win in order to prove it – although he has already won more than George Best ever did and more European Cups than Diego Maradona. Yes, he still has to achieve things to make his case watertight, particularly with Argentina. But how could it be otherwise? After all, for all the sublime touches, the goals, the assists and the win-it-on-his-own performances, perhaps the most ridiculous thing of all is that Leo Messi is still only 22.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/mar/22/leo-messi-barcelona-la-liga-spain
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #283 on: March 22, 2010, 02:27:10 pm »
Nice article, cheers for posting.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #284 on: March 22, 2010, 02:35:45 pm »
Leo Messi is still only 22.

Wow, just wow!

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #285 on: March 22, 2010, 02:41:28 pm »
I think the best sign tonight of just how good he is was Henry and Kluivert, both top class in their day, having that same grin on their face after the game as if they're just totally in awe...really special player.
Agreed. Henry came to him and just hugged with a huge grin on his face. That says a lot. Something like "I have never seen a better footballer" ;D

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #286 on: March 22, 2010, 02:42:55 pm »
Best football player I have ever seen and could be the best ever if he wins a world cup with Argentina.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #287 on: March 22, 2010, 02:44:06 pm »
Sorry, couldn't resist posting this little nugget!
:lmao

That's really ridiculous :lmao

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #288 on: March 22, 2010, 02:47:19 pm »
Messi's good, but Rooney's better.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #289 on: March 22, 2010, 02:51:51 pm »
Messi's good, but Rooney's better.

I'm not biting on that.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #290 on: March 22, 2010, 02:56:35 pm »
It is at some level at least though no? For example; Ronaldo's one of the best players this decade on paper, but he does fuck all for me. I hate watching the c*nt if I'm honest. He's class, I respect that, but it's not the same as watching players like Torres, Gerrard, Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso and Messi for me. Not at all.

No, but for this particular player – there is no question. He doesn’t operate on the same level as any one else. There IS no subjectivity to the topic that is Messi. His talent is otherworldly. It’s also undeniable. He does everything and he does it with humility and compassion and thorough decency – which are three things Ronaldo does not have. Some say Ronaldo lets himself down with his diving, his antics, his attitude. In that way, he ‘does nothing’ for them.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #291 on: March 22, 2010, 02:59:31 pm »
Messi just spotted leaving Melwood :P



:( Depresses me actually because it will never EVER happen.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #292 on: March 22, 2010, 03:05:13 pm »
Messi just spotted leaving Melwood :P



:( Depresses me actually because it will never EVER happen.
He'll never leave Barca, never.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #293 on: March 22, 2010, 03:08:48 pm »
I'm not biting on that.
Sorry, should have said, they're not my words. I'm paraphrasing Patrick Barclay.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #294 on: March 22, 2010, 03:11:30 pm »
Sorry, should have said, they're not my words. I'm paraphrasing Patrick Barclay.

Dunphy said a few weeks back that Rooney is the best player he's seen since Pele and "that includes Maradona". Can't believe some of these c*nts actually get paid for coming out with such utter trash.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #295 on: March 22, 2010, 03:14:25 pm »
He'll never leave Barca, never.

Never know.

I have a feeling if Ibra and Messi are having some sort of feud it's not going to be the swede that has to leave   ::)

But to be serious, I think it to soon to say wheter or not Messi is commited to the club for eternity. In this modern day of football, who is?
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #296 on: March 22, 2010, 03:29:44 pm »
Just good to know that I can tell my Grandkids that I saw him play several times on the box and in the flesh a few times.


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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #297 on: March 22, 2010, 03:31:14 pm »
I wonder if Messi wins Champions League again, does it equate to Maradona's World Cup title? Maradona never won Champions League, and if Barca wins again, it will be Messi's third...

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #298 on: March 22, 2010, 03:34:03 pm »
Good article that, sound for posting.

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« Reply #299 on: March 22, 2010, 03:35:41 pm »
I wonder if Messi wins Champions League again, does it equate to Maradona's World Cup title? Maradona never won Champions League, and if Barca wins again, it will be Messi's third...
Not for me.
Never know.

I have a feeling if Ibra and Messi are having some sort of feud it's not going to be the swede that has to leave   ::)

But to be serious, I think it to soon to say wheter or not Messi is commited to the club for eternity. In this modern day of football, who is?
I'm not sure if you're joking about the feud thing so i'll leave that, but Messi owes Barca everything and as much as he's repaying it to them adequately i just can't see him ever leaving. Think how much he'd cost if he did though! :o
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #300 on: March 22, 2010, 03:35:57 pm »
He'll never leave Barca, never.

Why the fuck does everyone keep saying that? The lad's not a boyhood Barca fan.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #301 on: March 22, 2010, 03:37:38 pm »
Messi just spotted leaving Melwood :P



:( Depresses me actually because it will never EVER happen.

Never say never. England could get the Wolrd Cup in 2018. Argentina could be based in the North West and agree to use our facilities. You never know!

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #302 on: March 22, 2010, 03:38:31 pm »
I wonder if Messi wins Champions League again, does it equate to Maradona's World Cup title? Maradona never won Champions League, and if Barca wins again, it will be Messi's third...

What are you comparing? Titles or players? I didn't get it yet.

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« Reply #303 on: March 22, 2010, 03:39:40 pm »
Why the fuck does everyone keep saying that? The lad's not a boyhood Barca fan.

They basically supported him and his family from when he was 13 years old- helping him through his health problems as well I think. He may want to go back to Argentina at some point, but he's been a Barca boy for a lot of his life- certainly all of his playing life so it wouldn't be surprising if he stayed there all his career.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #304 on: March 22, 2010, 03:41:46 pm »
What are you comparing? Titles or players? I didn't get it yet.
Because everybody keeps saying "he has to do it for Argentina" or "he has to win World Cup to be legendary".

Personally, I think it is not necessary, and for me, Messi is the best ever.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #305 on: March 22, 2010, 03:41:58 pm »
I wonder if Messi wins Champions League again, does it equate to Maradona's World Cup title? Maradona never won Champions League, and if Barca wins again, it will be Messi's third...

I don't think you can compare the two, mate, or even come to a conlusion on how many European Cups a World Cup is worth.

He didn't win a World Cup or a European Cup, but I know that John Barnes was one of the very best on the planet around 1988.

Messi is surrounded by some amazing players right now. Was Maradonna ever afforded the same kind of talent around him. Difficult to make a comparison, especially over such a vast period of time.

We must also consider that Messi has another 10 years in the game, at least. What he will become is up to him I guess.

And the best aspect of Leo Messi? He's ten times the man that that Plassy is. Make that a 100. a joy to watch, and someone you would love your kids to look up to as a pro.

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« Reply #306 on: March 22, 2010, 03:43:07 pm »
Why the fuck does everyone keep saying that? The lad's not a boyhood Barca fan.

More of a chance he will stay a Barca player then. ;D

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #307 on: March 22, 2010, 03:44:54 pm »
I can't imagine our own youth products leaving Barca unless we completely turn shit. Or they are allowed to leave.

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #308 on: March 22, 2010, 03:48:42 pm »
Why the fuck does everyone keep saying that? The lad's not a boyhood Barca fan.
used to say that about ronaldinho with them too

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« Reply #309 on: March 22, 2010, 03:50:42 pm »
Not for me.I'm not sure if you're joking about the feud thing so i'll leave that, but Messi owes Barca everything and as much as he's repaying it to them adequately i just can't see him ever leaving. Think how much he'd cost if he did though! :o

Yes I was joking fyi :)

I think people said that about Luis Figo aswell. Then what happened?

Why the fuck does everyone keep saying that? The lad's not a boyhood Barca fan.

Thank you! Excatly my point! And even if he was, ANYTHING can happen.
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« Reply #310 on: March 22, 2010, 03:52:33 pm »
Because everybody keeps saying "he has to do it for Argentina" or "he has to win World Cup to be legendary".

Personally, I think it is not necessary, and for me, Messi is the best ever.

Of course it's not necessary to win a World Cup to be considered one of the best players or the best player ever. Imagine the likes of Maradona, Zidane or Pele being born in San Marino or Luxemburgo.

To be the best player ever you just have to be that itself. In fact, many extraordinary footballers have won very little in comparison to their greatness.

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« Reply #311 on: March 22, 2010, 03:55:30 pm »
Yes I was joking fyi :)

I think people said that about Luis Figo aswell. Then what happened?

Thank you! Excatly my point! And even if he was, ANYTHING can happen.
I don't think you can compare the Figo and Messi situations. Figo was an established player at Sporting CP before moving to Barca. Barca have essentially supported Messi since he was 13, and his family, and helped him through early problems with his health.
I know you can never say never, but i just can't see it.
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« Reply #312 on: March 22, 2010, 03:58:01 pm »
What is after world class? He is that! Intergalatic.

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« Reply #313 on: March 22, 2010, 04:00:08 pm »
I don't think you can compare the Figo and Messi situations. Figo was an established player at Sporting CP before moving to Barca. Barca have essentially supported Messi since he was 13, and his family, and helped him through early problems with his health.
I know you can never say never, but i just can't see it.

You're probably right. And why would anybody want to leave Barca really? Great club, great city, best players and probably the best chances to win titles.

But if things would turn for the worse for the catalans I'm sure Messi, while still young, would consider his options. But that doesn't look like happening.
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« Reply #314 on: March 22, 2010, 04:28:20 pm »
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #315 on: March 22, 2010, 04:44:55 pm »
Dont get to watch much La Liga these days but managed to watch the Barca game last night. The boy is pure magic. I love the reaction of the bench to the 2nd goal, everyone is in awe.
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« Reply #316 on: March 22, 2010, 04:47:32 pm »
Dont get to watch much La Liga these days but managed to watch the Barca game last night. The boy is pure magic. I love the reaction of the bench to the 2nd goal, everyone is in awe.
Last night he was a joy an absolute joy to watch, but it's how consistently brilliant he is that gets me.
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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #317 on: March 22, 2010, 05:00:54 pm »
Of course it's not necessary to win a World Cup to be considered one of the best players or the best player ever. Imagine the likes of Maradona, Zidane or Pele being born in San Marino or Luxemburgo.

To be the best player ever you just have to be that itself. In fact, many extraordinary footballers have won very little in comparison to their greatness.

PS It's Maradona ;D


Maradona is a great player. The second best player ever to wear Barca shirts ;D

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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #318 on: March 22, 2010, 05:12:35 pm »
Barca have essentially supported Messi since he was 13, and his family, and helped him through early problems with his health.


Even just the fact that they kept faith in him through all the years when they were putting him through all the teatment for his growth hormone deficiency, I'd say he'll be a one club man. Christ, the fucker would be about 4 foot 2" if it wasn't for Barca!


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Re: Lionel Messi
« Reply #319 on: March 22, 2010, 05:14:45 pm »
I really hope he shows his ability on the international stage this summer. It'd be awesome if he did at the expense of Rooney and that bunch of primadonnas that represent our country. The thought of Masch captaining a world cup winning side is also very pleasing.

 I think to be mentoned in the same breathe as Pele and Maradona he will need to win a world cup.