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In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« on: December 18, 2014, 12:28:03 am »
Hey all, don't know if this is the right place for this (and feel free to move/delete it if it isn't) but I wrote this blog post (http://maestrofootball.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/in-defence-of-brendan-rodgers-the-man-who-made-us-dream/) on why Brendan Rodgers deserves our faith and patience. Anyways, here it is. Ta, mates.



After a slow, but progressive first season at the helm, Brendan Rodgers’ Reds exploded into life. Three consecutive 1-0 victories to start the 2013/14 season showed a growing maturity, and bolstered by the return of Luis Suarez, fresh off his second long-term ban, the club were propelled to new heights.

A 5-0 thrashing of Tottenham at White Hart Lane confirmed what many had already thought – this Liverpool team was capable of something special. And they continued to prove so; Arsenal, Everton, Tottenham and Man United all felt the wrath of Liverpool’s attacking brilliance as the Reds tore through opponent after opponent.

An 11-game winning run, including what looked like the title-winning victory against Manchester City, put Liverpool’s first Premier League title in touching distance. But football can be cruel – as Steven Gerrard can attest to – and we all know what happened next.

Despite that, Rodgers stood defiant as Liverpool closed their season with a victory over Newcastle. Losing the title was devastating, but fans recognized that something greater was at play.

With booming chants of “Brendan Rodgers” ringing around Anfield, the Liverpool boss responded by passionately thumping the liverbird embroidered on his suit jacket and applauding the fans who, for the first time in his career, showed him unified support.

A mere seven months ago, after a remarkable season, he stood on the touchline as a beacon of hope for the club. This was the right man for the Liverpool job.

Fast forward to December 2014, and the sound of his name echoing across stadiums is something Rodgers can scarcely remember. Despite his extraordinary feats with Liverpool, there are many calling for his head.

And not entirely without merit.

The swashbuckling side that scored 101 Premier League goals the previous season now find themselves outscored by Swansea, West Ham and Southampton. Dejan Lovren, purchased  to shore up the Reds’ back line, has had the exact opposite effect as Liverpool continue to look shaky whenever they’re attacked. The club’s £115 million transfer window has yet to bear fruits on the pitch. A very doable Champion’s League group has been fluffed, and at time of writing, the Reds are lingering depressingly in 11th place in the Premier League.

There is no debate that big problems are present in this Liverpool team, and Rodgers certainly has to shoulder some of that blame.

Yet, with 22 games left to be played, they are only seven points off fourth-placed West Ham, who, with all due respect, are likely to fall off (as Southampton have already started to).

Despite fans hoping for another title challenge, realistically, solidifying Champion’s League status would be considered a success for this season. And Liverpool aren’t anywhere near being out of that race.

And although Rodgers has been branded stubborn, he’s tried to tinker in an attempt to right his wrongs. He’s reintroduced Lucas and Toure to great effect, he’s tried to manage Gerrard better and get him further forward, and on Sunday he put Raheem Sterling up top against Manchester United.

The tinkerer from last season still exists, he just isn’t having quite the same amount of success – but that’s OK. He’s a young manager, still learning on the job. He’s bound to make mistakes.

He will and has got things wrong, but the question should be if last season showed enough to say he’ll get them right again. For me, it undoubtedly has.

Rodgers is deserving of criticism, it’s in his job description. But he also deserves praise for last season. The songs, the atmosphere, the performances, the belief – those are all, at least in part, down to Brendan Rodgers. That shouldn’t make him immortal or above being criticized, but at the very least he deserves the respect and faith of Liverpool fans.

After all, this is the same man who brought back attacking, intelligent football to Liverpool. The same man who had the balls to bring a 17-year-old Raheem Sterling into the side and who has helped him grow exponentially. The same man who purchased Daniel Sturridge and Phillipe Coutinho, and has seen them both revive their careers. The same man who built a team that allowed Luis Suarez to break Premier League records, dazzle Liverpool fans and play a style of football that harnessed his madness.

The same man who brought back fear of Liverpool Football Club.

Last season fans unfurled a banner reading “Make Us Dream” – a gauntlet, a challenge. Rodgers passed with flying colours, delivering a season that Liverpool fans will never forget.

Some of those very fans are now calling for his head, but they would do well to remember what it felt like to sing “we’re the best football team in the land” and actually mean it.

This was the man who made you dream, who made you believe. Give him the chance to do it again. He deserves it.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 04:08:54 am »
Hard to disagree with the core of what you said. I do have one disagreement with you and that is that I think you are underestimating how much trouble we are in with regards to CL qualification. We are 5 points behind Arsenal who has the longest streak in the league of qualifying to the Champions League.
Fourth at this point would represent massive success. I think a reasonable goal at this point is fifth but with strong cup showings, specially in Europe where Brendan still needs to find his way( this is why qualifying for the Europa League is extremely important for the club, we need the experience). Even a win over Beşiktaş is important.

We have been awful and Brendan has made a bunch of mistake but we need to give him time. Fortunaly today performance buys him that The fan base needs to support the manager. Any serious consideration about his job needs to be made after the season unless we are nearrelegation which isnt  the case at all.

Great post, I hope we have a civil discussion to avoid any locks.


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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 10:14:47 am »
For once, I actually agree with Stan Collymore. I'd give Brendan four years to get it right.. Give him time to learn and build his team.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 10:34:19 am »
Good post. We have to see this through. We have to stand by our manager. Otherwise if we sack him, rip the plan up and start again, we'll never know what Brendan could've achieved if given the time. And we'll be right back to square one, doomed to make the same mistakes every 2-3 years, over and over again.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 10:47:25 am »
The same man who purchased Daniel Sturridge and Phillipe Coutinho, and has seen them both revive their careers.

Let's not get into who purchased who..... haha  ;) .. I do agree with pretty much everything you said tho'

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 12:12:37 pm »
nothing to be said really, except im 100% behind Rodgers. Not even a hint of sacking him. He'll bring the glory if he's given time Im absolutely sure of it. Last season is a taster. This season it was inevitable we had to start from scratch again, but next season is what its all about for me. He makes some mad decisions at times, but what will make him is the experience of the lows aswell as the highs.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 01:25:31 pm »
I'm all for supporting managers and its proven sticking with the same philosophy (sometimes manager) is the best way to achieve success as a club. Stability is so important but we rarely see it because of the pressures involved in running a football club.

However, Brendan has been making some really strange decisions of late. How much of them he's been responsible for I don't know.

I hope he starts making strides up the table and gets us playing somewhere near the football we were last season, attack wise I think he will as fitness, team cohesion and confidence improves. For me though he also needs to improve us defensively, he's been in charge long enough now if we go into next season being the embarrassment we've been at the back then questions should be asked about his ability to fix the issue and deservedly so.

For me the way we force the play by playing a pretty direct game (suited to Sturridge and Suarez) means we surrender possesion too easy and too often which means we find ourselves being hit on the counter regularly with little protection from Gerrard/Allen. Maybe playing two DM's (not likely as Brendan wants more technical players and technical gifted DM's aren't in abundance) or slowing or passing down could help (again not likely as it won't see the best from our pacey attack) are two options outside of finally making the current system work with higher quality defensive players.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2014, 03:34:32 pm »
next season is what its all about for me. He makes some mad decisions at times, but what will make him is the experience of the lows aswell as the highs.



Agreed. Although next season he MUST have learned from the mistakes of this current debacle of a season - and that includes transfer business and what seems like pigheaded stubbornness.

If we haven't progressed, the same managerial mistakes are being made, and we continue to serve up a combination of pedestrian drudge in attack and shambolic schoolboy defending then I will want to see a different manager brought in.



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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2014, 03:37:42 pm »
We have to decide whether we're going to talk about the team making strides up the table, failing to do so, etc, the players themselves are doing so, etc. or the manager is doing so, etc and stick with that consistently.

We cannot legitimately be going back and forth, assigning praise and blame willy-nilly to one or the other(s).

We could also decide not to make those distinctions, in which case 'in defence of Brendan Rodgers' and 'the man who made us dream' would be out of bounds.

The club (owners, organization, managerial staff, players) last season made us dream; as BR himself keeps reminding us, 'it's a different group of players", for example this season vs last season. It is logically inconsistent to praise and 'defend' BR based on last season and not hold him responsible for this season.

Probably best to not do either, i.e. not single him out.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 04:51:28 pm »
My biggest issue is his decision making for:

Squad Management - Why would you play a 32 year old striker for 90 minutes in consecutive games when playing on the weekend and midweek
Player Selection - Why are players like Can, Sakho, and Borini Frozen out? and why are certain players persisted with.
In Game Management - See Squad Management
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2014, 05:23:12 pm »
If Suarez does an Ibrahimovic, and decides to leave Barca after one season due to Messi issues, then would FSG give us about 80mil to sign Suarez back? 'Cos Luis is the only one that can turn the bad defense, signings, selections and combinations into winners. This is a more realistic long-shot dream than signing Messi, Ronaldo or the Zlatan's of this world... let's face it that's the only way (under Rodgers) we can challenge for the title again, unless you want to play the Arsenal game of finishing 4th and being content with Euro embarrassment every year
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2014, 05:29:25 pm »
The fact you have to open threads like this less then 6 months after our best league run in ages shows the state of football and it's fans nowadays...

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2014, 06:25:52 pm »
The fact that this thread was posted 6 hours ago and has only attracted 12 replies tells its own story

Put up a thread entitled "Should we sack the manager" and it would be ten pages long by now

I'm 110% behind Brendan Rodgers. I think he's the right manager to take us forward

The truth of the matter, however, is that a large section of our fan base are whining idiots

And that section is gradually increasing. I hope Rodgers stays, but I do fear the worst for him I'm afraid
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2014, 06:33:53 pm »
If Suarez does an Ibrahimovic, and decides to leave Barca after one season due to Messi issues, then would FSG give us about 80mil to sign Suarez back?'Cos Luis is the only one that can turn the bad defense, signings, selections and combinations into winners.

I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Anyone who thinks ours problems are simply down to us selling Luis Suarez needs to look a little deeper.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2014, 07:09:32 pm »
Theres probably never been a better time to think long and hard about how United stuck by Ferguson. They had swapped and changed for close to two decades trying to get back to the team they were under Sir Matt Busby, and none of it had worked. Ferguson got them a runners-up spot and then tanked into 11th after making some signings. The club stuck with him because they felt that he was on the cusp of something due to the runners-up season.

Doesn't mean it will happen for Brendan, but we know he can get us there if he has the right players, whereas anyone we could possibly attract as a replacement would be a risk (plus another re-build project).  Love the one your with boys and girls!

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2014, 07:15:34 pm »
It would probably be better for all if us if we all abstained from characterizing those who are 'on the other side' as "whining idiots" or "hopeless hero-worshipers" etc.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2014, 07:20:47 pm »
Regardless of what is happening at the moment and even acknowledging some of his mistakes. I have no appetite for him to fail. He deserves time to get on with things in his own way, It will be easier for him and the club to succeed if he knows the fans are right behind him 100%. We have all seen post January 2010 what happens when there is discontent on the terraces. Whilst the hacks always look for blood they do like to substantiate their agenda. 'insert picture of PARDEW OUT scrawled on an A5 piece of white paper being held up by a topless 50 year old man standing and an 8 year old boy.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2014, 07:21:12 pm »
If Suarez does an Ibrahimovic, and decides to leave Barca after one season due to Messi issues, then would FSG give us about 80mil to sign Suarez back? 'Cos Luis is the only one that can turn the bad defense, signings, selections and combinations into winners. This is a more realistic long-shot dream than signing Messi, Ronaldo or the Zlatan's of this world... let's face it that's the only way (under Rodgers) we can challenge for the title again, unless you want to play the Arsenal game of finishing 4th and being content with Euro embarrassment every year

Sorry Stevie, but that's patently ridiculous. I love everything Luis gave us and I was one of the very few on here defending him the night he ate that Italian, but life goes on and we just have to find a different answer to that forward position. Timbo's been manfully leading the line in here in calling for mobile strikers and I fully agree with him. There's not another Suarez 2013/14 hanging about in world football at the moment that we could sign, but we don't necessarily need that. We get the right type to play in the right system and we could get flying again. (We were gliding pretty well the other night with Sterling deputizing up there.) I trust Brendan to come up with the ideas to make our attack click with someone else.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2014, 07:47:26 pm »
I wouldn't be upset if we sacked Brendan, I wouldn't be happy if we did sack him. So you could probably describe me as being on the fence. But I'm happy to give him time to sort it out, but that certainly isn't Xyears or months. His window for getting himself to perform at a competent level is extremely short and realistically the next month would have a huge impact on it. Ultimately for me what it comes down to...


Squad management/Team Selection: In my eyes he has rarely picked our best 11 or squad. Issues I see are the lack of time for Toure, Sakho, Manquillo, MArkovic, Borini and Can. Now people can come with lots of some what valid reason and theories as to why they have limited game time which I couldn't argue against. So more time to see how he handles those players will help me get a better understanding of the situation.

Defense:  It's been terrible under him for his whole tenure. Despite new signings it's not changed and we looked miles away for being an even average defense. The fact it's season 3 for Rodgers is a huge worry. We've not made any improvement. How is that even possible having spend so much money?

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2014, 07:56:59 pm »
I defended Kenny when he took 17 points from 16 games (plus a league cup win and an FA Cup semi) and I'll defend Brendan in the same way. I think since the Madrid game we've improved, lost 1 in 7 (despite three of the draws feeling like losses) and, in the last two games we've played well. We could have lost quite easily against Bournemouth but then again we could have just as easily hammered United. I think we are on our way back and now, more than ever, we need to support the manager and the team. Arsenal will not be easy but we are still in 4 tournaments (if top 4 is considered success) and with players coming back we can look forward to a brighter finish than start.

The season has been dreadful so far but I'd rather have a good second half of the season than a decent first half followed by deteriation, just ask Kenny.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2014, 08:04:29 pm »
I have all the faith in Rodgers still - its been very tricky recently, and he has made mistakes but I have too much faith in him to lose support. I remember the day he was appointed - he wasn't my first choice I openly admit - but there was an aura to him during that press conference that struck me. Here was a man who openly laid out the massive problems we had, gave it to us straight that this would not be an easy task, rather a long arduous struggle that could only be solved in years, not months. Brendan ripped the book to shreds and said 'we start from scratch'. Deflating, depressing, demoralising - whatever you say, it's not what we wanted to hear, but it was what we had to hear to get the the club and the fans back to reality. Only by being realistic could we build upon a foundation to success - we are not entitled to success, we will only get success by working hard for it.... and here's how to do it. Brendan continued about his philosophy - an attractive style of football but one which was based on modern and progressive methods, something which would bring the Liverpool of old into the 21st century.

It suddenly all felt familiar to the ethos of the club, and a man who worked from the bottom rungs of the coaching ladder teaching children, at the same time as working a forklift in a warehouse on nightshift to the high position of the much fabled Liverpool manager's job is obviously a man of great strength and determination. And it showed in this confident and assured press conference - the self belief oozed from a man who wasn't basing it on sentimental attachment to the club, and this strength of character was what we desperately needed.

And do you know what? Drop all that 'faith' nonsense, I didn't dream many of those performances from last year, they were all real. They WERE dreams, back during that press conference in June 2012. But seeing them with my very own eyes gave me the belief and evidence - not simple faith - that Brendan Rodgers is the ideal man for Liverpool FC.

For sure, a lot of work to be done, and Rodgers along with the club must improve upon a poor transfer record, but the club must not restrict Rodgers capabilities. They hired him, they must believe in him, and it was he who almost snatched the league title, not the transfer committee and not FSG. I do believe the rot starts from the top, and the manager is a victim of mismanagement from the higher levels, so the board, the scouts and god awful transfer committee and their misguided approach to buying players based on statistics(Edwards and Fallows who perhaps need to be sacked and world class experts hired in place) have to back Rodgers ideas.

To have - at this moment in time - only two players be brought to the club who have been a success is a terrible indictment against the transfer committee, but the fact that Rodgers almost made it work shows what a talented man he is. I do fear for his future because Fallows and Edwards failings along with FSG could see them hide behind Brendan and push him under the wheels, while they get away scot free. But its important as fans - who have that bond with the manager - to back him, and if we are to vent frustrations it will be towards those in the boardroom.

I see a lot of Liverpool casuals and glory hunters attracted from last year calling for his head, such is the major disasvantage of social media. But the true core fans know his qualities and I suggest we support him stronger than ever before. As Rodgers himself has always attested, it will be difficult, but we'll get there in the end.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2014, 08:26:13 pm »
I wouldn't be upset if we sacked Brendan, I wouldn't be happy if we did sack him. So you could probably describe me as being on the fence. But I'm happy to give him time to sort it out, but that certainly isn't Xyears or months. His window for getting himself to perform at a competent level is extremely short and realistically the next month would have a huge impact on it. Ultimately for me what it comes down to...


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Defense:  It's been terrible under him for his whole tenure. Despite new signings it's not changed and we looked miles away for being an even average defense. The fact it's season 3 for Rodgers is a huge worry. We've not made any improvement. How is that even possible having spend so much money?

Perhaps he doesn't want to throw in young players like Can, Markovic and Manquillo week in week out before they've had time to fully adjust to Liverpool and his thinking? Perhaps he is doing what he should, and thinking long-term? Perhaps he's not convinced in training that they are going to improve matters, yet and is expecting his more senior players to do what they should - and stand up and be counted? Perhaps this that and the other. The three I've mentioned look to me like players he would love. I doubt he's not playing them due to any gripe against them. He'll have valid reasons, whether we agree fully with them or not.

As to the defense, I can't really disagree. It's a mess. We've not found the right combination, balance or system for any extended period. But with a manager who builds from the front rather than the back, when the "front" is not functioning, the "back" is always going to come under intense pressure and scrutiny. Rodgers will never be a defense first manager. He needs a powerful attack for his teams to work. That's why our failure to replace Suarez's goals and allow for injuries to Sturridge was such a ridiculous oversight. Get those goals back in the team, have the opposition frightened of us going forward again, and so much pressure is relieved from the defence. Above all else, though, we need a proper goalkeeper. Mignolet has never looked like fitting into our system, and I don't think he ever will. A leader right at the back might make a massive difference.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2014, 08:43:47 pm »
Perhaps he doesn't want to throw in young players like Can, Markovic and Manquillo week in week out before they've had time to fully adjust to Liverpool and his thinking? Perhaps he is doing what he should, and thinking long-term? Perhaps he's not convinced in training that they are going to improve matters, yet and is expecting his more senior players to do what they should - and stand up and be counted? Perhaps this that and the other. The three I've mentioned look to me like players he would love. I doubt he's not playing them due to any gripe against them. He'll have valid reasons, whether we agree fully with them or not.

As to the defense, I can't really disagree. It's a mess. We've not found the right combination, balance or system for any extended period. But with a manager who builds from the front rather than the back, when the "front" is not functioning, the "back" is always going to come under intense pressure and scrutiny. Rodgers will never be a defense first manager. He needs a powerful attack for his teams to work. That's why our failure to replace Suarez's goals and allow for injuries to Sturridge was such a ridiculous oversight. Get those goals back in the team, have the opposition frightened of us going forward again, and so much pressure is relieved from the defence. Above all else, though, we need a proper goalkeeper. Mignolet has never looked like fitting into our system, and I don't think he ever will. A leader right at the back might make a massive difference.


Taking out the gripe issue, he'll have valid reasons but that doesn't excuse it in my eyes. I think he needs to get much better at managing and picking his squad before we can say "4 years, no matter what".


On the defense - we've had leaders. Carragher, Toure, and supposedly Lovren as well. It's at the stage where if we could put a prime Cannavaro in there he'd look a mess. At the end of the day the chances of winning league titles and Cahmpions leagues with a terrible defence are very slim for a club like Liverpool.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2014, 08:56:37 pm »
Taking out the gripe issue, he'll have valid reasons but that doesn't excuse it in my eyes. I think he needs to get much better at managing and picking his squad before we can say "4 years, no matter what".


On the defense - we've had leaders. Carragher, Toure, and supposedly Lovren as well. It's at the stage where if we could put a prime Cannavaro in there he'd look a mess. At the end of the day the chances of winning league titles and Cahmpions leagues with a terrible defence are very slim for a club like Liverpool.

The chances aren't slim, the chances are absolutely nil. It'll never ever happen.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2014, 09:07:58 pm »
The chances aren't slim, the chances are absolutely nil. It'll never ever happen.

Almost certainly correct. And yet people say our defence was terrible last season, and we were a slip away from winning the league. A slip that really had nothing to do with a terrible defence.

Not that that's any reason for accepting the state of affairs. You might equally suggest that if we'd just improved our defence a tiny bit last season, that slip wouldn't have matttered, because we'd already have won the league. I refuse to believe, though, that an intelligent man like Rodgers won't get the balance and system right in the end, given the chance. People are saying "it's his third season and still it's not right", but I recall people moaning after Rafa's third season that he still couldn't fashion a proper attack. They were still saying that right up to the team that destroyed Real and United too. These things sometimes take longer than we want (i.e. no time at all). No one is suggesting infinite time. But a man who just finished second last season deserves a lot more than a few months to turn it round again.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2014, 09:41:38 pm »
Things aren't great at the moment, but I think Brendan should be given at the very least the rest of this season, and all of next before he is under any real threat of losing his position.  While everyone loved the football we played last year, it wasn't sustainable in the long run we were a bit too fragile in key areas and with the form of our strike force most of those cracks were papered over.  Reality hit hard this year, and through form or injury the goals dried up and the defense took a step back.  Brendan will need to go back to the drawing board, adjust his tactics to what he has available and most likely rebuild the team from the back forward instead of the other way around.  I doubt the football will be nearly as entertaining, but the man learned under Mourniho and surely he is capable of organizing his team to grind out results and get us back on solid footing again.   This years results will certainly have bruised his ego a bit but it was bound to happen at some point, and I for one think he will learn from recent events and it will actually make him a better manager in the long run. 

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2014, 10:14:34 pm »
First of all the lads did us proud last night against Bournemouth every one put in a stellar effort. Lallana and sterling where outstanding, so much creativity. Plenty of positives to go into the arsenal game. Same again please lads. Honestly think we can turn this season around the quality is there it just needs to click. A lot of new players still finding their feet but encouraging signs particularly from Lallana and Markovich. A couple of shrewd signings in January most notably a keeper and a striker could really turn things around. Cough... Ahem... Martinez and Ochoa please Mr Henry.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2014, 10:57:00 pm »
Almost certainly correct. And yet people say our defence was terrible last season, and we were a slip away from winning the league. A slip that really had nothing to do with a terrible defence.

Not that that's any reason for accepting the state of affairs. You might equally suggest that if we'd just improved our defence a tiny bit last season, that slip wouldn't have matttered, because we'd already have won the league. I refuse to believe, though, that an intelligent man like Rodgers won't get the balance and system right in the end, given the chance.

Rodgers' biggest flaw so far is not necessarily the inability to keep a clean sheet, at least not in isolation. We can set up to be difficult to score against and will get a few clean sheets. When that happens though we tend to have zero creativity. He struggles to find the balance. We either go all out and attack (at least normally) and win/draw/lose 5-3 3-3- 2-3 or whatever or limp to a 0-0 or one nil loss.

Finding the balance is key. He needs to figure it out soon.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2014, 11:09:37 pm »
I do really believe we should stand by Rodgers.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2014, 11:26:27 pm »
For once, I actually agree with Stan Collymore.
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Fuckin' hell, when it takes some proper cretins to talk sense about the situation then you know things have gotten weird!  ::)
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2014, 11:45:39 pm »
Perhaps he doesn't want to throw in young players like Can, Markovic and Manquillo week in week out before they've had time to fully adjust to Liverpool and his thinking? Perhaps he is doing what he should, and thinking long-term? Perhaps he's not convinced in training that they are going to improve matters, yet and is expecting his more senior players to do what they should - and stand up and be counted? Perhaps this that and the other. The three I've mentioned look to me like players he would love. I doubt he's not playing them due to any gripe against them. He'll have valid reasons, whether we agree fully with them or not.

As to the defense, I can't really disagree. It's a mess. We've not found the right combination, balance or system for any extended period. But with a manager who builds from the front rather than the back, when the "front" is not functioning, the "back" is always going to come under intense pressure and scrutiny. Rodgers will never be a defense first manager. He needs a powerful attack for his teams to work. That's why our failure to replace Suarez's goals and allow for injuries to Sturridge was such a ridiculous oversight. Get those goals back in the team, have the opposition frightened of us going forward again, and so much pressure is relieved from the defence. Above all else, though, we need a proper goalkeeper. Mignolet has never looked like fitting into our system, and I don't think he ever will. A leader right at the back might make a massive difference.


Just on this, I don't think Mig is a problem. The quality of keeper who is excellent with the ball at his feet is very rare. Yes there is Vorm but he's then a worse shot-stopper than Mig. We're not in a position to buy world class. We need to accept our level is very good so it's a question of accepting a excellent keeper with ball at his feet while he's below the standard in other areas. Give me a guy who does the actually goalkeeping parts well and the playing football less so.

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2014, 12:14:16 am »
Just on this, I don't think Mig is a problem. The quality of keeper who is excellent with the ball at his feet is very rare. Yes there is Vorm but he's then a worse shot-stopper than Mig. We're not in a position to buy world class. We need to accept our level is very good so it's a question of accepting a excellent keeper with ball at his feet while he's below the standard in other areas. Give me a guy who does the actually goalkeeping parts well and the playing football less so.

Seriously. Vadlez is on a free and Cech is sat on Chelsea's bench.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2014, 12:28:16 am »
Perhaps he doesn't want to throw in young players like Can, Markovic and Manquillo week in week out before they've had time to fully adjust to Liverpool and his thinking? Perhaps he is doing what he should, and thinking long-term? Perhaps he's not convinced in training that they are going to improve matters, yet and is expecting his more senior players to do what they should - and stand up and be counted? Perhaps this that and the other. The three I've mentioned look to me like players he would love. I doubt he's not playing them due to any gripe against them. He'll have valid reasons, whether we agree fully with them or not.

As to the defense, I can't really disagree. It's a mess. We've not found the right combination, balance or system for any extended period. But with a manager who builds from the front rather than the back, when the "front" is not functioning, the "back" is always going to come under intense pressure and scrutiny. Rodgers will never be a defense first manager. He needs a powerful attack for his teams to work. That's why our failure to replace Suarez's goals and allow for injuries to Sturridge was such a ridiculous oversight. Get those goals back in the team, have the opposition frightened of us going forward again, and so much pressure is relieved from the defence. Above all else, though, we need a proper goalkeeper. Mignolet has never looked like fitting into our system, and I don't think he ever will. A leader right at the back might make a massive difference.

I agree with you here, we just don't know behind the scenes what is occurring
Players can show signs of fatigue, illness or just be off the pace in training, means he will take them out

Also when you make purchases from other clubs, how they will blend in with players you have is a complete unknown

Lovren/Mignolet/Skrtel clearly have and will have no chemistry at all. No real need to prolong the agony, they clearly just don't fit
Inferior players that are not international or high profile players can fit like a glove, they don't

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2014, 12:32:30 am »
Seriously. Vadlez is on a free and Cech is sat on Chelsea's bench.


and Chelsea will keep him there. We can't just steal him you know? As for Valdes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp-37hmWqHU


Yea sign him up, can't wait.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2014, 12:34:20 am »
and Chelsea will keep him there. We can't just steal him you know?

Yep, you get a feeling Maureen would pay his own money to keep him out of our goal

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2014, 12:49:28 am »
Yep, you get a feeling Maureen would pay his own money to keep him out of our goal

Just how he prevented Mata from joining United then.

Pay them the right money, and he'll come. We're not Chelsea's rivals this season.

And Valdez, though he has an error or two in him, is MILES better than Mignolet, there's no comparison really.
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2014, 12:50:10 am »

and Chelsea will keep him there. We can't just steal him you know? As for Valdes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp-37hmWqHU


Yea sign him up, can't wait.

You're right.  Point proven.  Don't know what people were thinking as Valdez is clearly shite.    ::)
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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2014, 01:04:13 am »
Nice piece

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2014, 01:34:56 am »
My biggest issue is his decision making for:

Squad Management - Why would you play a 32 year old striker for 90 minutes in consecutive games when playing on the weekend and midweek
Player Selection - Why are players like Can, Sakho, and Borini Frozen out? and why are certain players persisted with.
In Game Management - See Squad Management

I guess BR never play FM...  :>
If he did, he would know the player condition and would have rest them accordingly.
Seriously, I blame for that after we spent that much to size up our squad

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Re: In defence of Brendan Rodgers: The man who made us dream
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2014, 01:40:53 am »
Just how he prevented Mata from joining United then.

Pay them the right money, and he'll come. We're not Chelsea's rivals this season.

And Valdez, though he has an error or two in him, is MILES better than Mignolet, there's no comparison really.

And likewise, if Chelsea pay him even bigger sums, he'll stay

Also you underestimate Maureens shitedness re this, he will see him go abroad if necessary, you are right in respect we are not their rivals, and he'll see it stay that way with whatever he can put in the way
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