Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023 - archived discussions about what’s offensive

[BobPaisley3]

Need to be smart, someone like Ndicka to replace Matip doesn’t affect the budget much.

We’ve got to spend big, regardless of previous philosophy, too many areas of the team need improvement. If we aren’t willing to then it’s difficult to see how we’ll be in and around the top 2/3 any time soon.

[Chris~]

There's always good players about. Get in a proper and competent recruitment structure and we should be able to bring in some quality. No idea if we do that or just carry on as is. Moving on the players we should/need to is going to be a lot tougher for whoever is sport director and probably be where we need the extra money to carry or subsidising that. Barley any non-premier league clubs will be able to afford the wages we're giving players. Going to need some favours from agents like Mendes or clubs like Villa.

[Simplexity]

Honestly do not want us to get Bellingham just so the club can finally stop with this wait around for signing nonsense.

6 months, maybe, a year? Absolutely pointless.

Writing off an entire season for the potential of signing one player, when did we become so disgustingly arrogant?

[killer-heels]

Honestly do not want us to get Bellingham just so the club can finally stop with this wait around for signing nonsense.

6 months, maybe, a year? Absolutely pointless.

Writing off an entire season for the potential of signing one player, when did we become so disgustingly arrogant?

Yep. The club dined out on the Van Dijk waiting for ages when it was clear that Virgil had committed to us.

[Simplexity]

Yep. The club dined out on the Van Dijk waiting for ages when it was clear that Virgil had committed to us.

Conventiently ignoring the Keita deal, which ended up being a complete waste of time. 1 year with a midfielder less for a man who is perpetually injured. The risk just is not worth it.

[Clint Eastwood]

Honestly do not want us to get Bellingham just so the club can finally stop with this wait around for signing nonsense.

6 months, maybe, a year? Absolutely pointless.

Writing off an entire season for the potential of signing one player, when did we become so disgustingly arrogant?

Unless we get an unrealistic amount of investment or a takeover, we won’t get Bellingham. I think we could have if we hadn’t dropped off so badly, but surely the club won’t spend £100m on one player when it’s clear that we need a rebuild.

GK, CB, DM, CM, CM seems to be the minimum. I’m wondering if we actually need another CM on top of that too because I’m just not sure about Thiago these days. It will cost a lot anyway.

[Coolie High]

Honestly do not want us to get Bellingham just so the club can finally stop with this wait around for signing nonsense.

6 months, maybe, a year? Absolutely pointless.

Writing off an entire season for the potential of signing one player, when did we become so disgustingly arrogant?

We didn't write off the season because of him, thats just an excuse.

[Pistolero]

Never usually venture in here so just assumed the Bellingham is nailed on stuff was just a bit of a shit in-joke...... I didn't realize some of you were actually serious.....fuck me

[Simplexity]

Never usually venture in here so just assumed the Bellingham is nailed on stuff was just a bit of a shit in-joke...... I didn't realize some of you were actually serious.....fuck me

Personally never believed for a second we would get him. Too high profile, too many parties interested with very deep pockets. In addition to our owners' hearts are no longer in this project which makes it even more ridiculous.

[Samie]

It's only Real Madrid and us who are interested really.  Not too many invovled.

[classycarra]

Yep. The club dined out on the Van Dijk waiting for ages when it was clear that Virgil had committed to us.

The rewriting of history on that one in recent times (by people entrenched in defending the unfolding situation of not addressing the squad in the transfer market) has been funny.

We didn't even wait for him in this 'chasing Bellingham' sense - it was that our staff talked too much shit to the media to such a point that they painted themselves into a corner where the club would have been punishable for tapping him up (in an era where it's understood that tapping up is pretty universal. So Southampton spooked us into backing off and made us pay to avoid being reported (and avoid punishments to impact our transfer plans)

[Simplexity]

It's only Real Madrid and us who are interested really.  Not too many invovled.

City will surely go for him, maybe even United.

[Samie]

City will surely go for him, maybe even United.

 


Sure.

But go on ignoring how relaible journos in three countries have said we're in for him and have a good chance seeing as his family want to be back in England.

[LifelongRed, Sussex]

Real and the two Mancs will battle it out for Bellingham.

The incompetence/tightness of FSG will mean that he won't want to fulfil his hope of playing for a conquering Klopp team.

Another unintended consequence of their shortsightedness.  Another, our income 2023/24 will be hugely down on the peak £600m.

Well done John Henry.         

[killer-heels]

The rewriting of history on that one in recent times (by people entrenched in defending the unfolding situation of not addressing the squad in the transfer market) has been funny.

We didn't even wait for him in this 'chasing Bellingham' sense - it was that our staff talked too much shit to the media to such a point that they painted themselves into a corner where the club would have been punishable for tapping him up (in an era where it's understood that tapping up is pretty universal. So Southampton spooked us into backing off and made us pay to avoid being reported (and avoid punishments to impact our transfer plans)

Also to note nobody else then went in for Van Dijk, which means that the transfer was boxed and that he was coming to us.

Another example that is used (stupidly) is Konate. Ok we didnt sign a defender in January and how clever we were because we wanted Konate. Well, we were top at Christmas, we junked all idea of getting back into the title race, lost 6 on the bounce at home and needed a goalkeepers goal to keep us on track for top four. Score one for waiting!

In this situation, why i find the idea so infuriating is that even if Bellingham has already said yes to us, we have deliberately crashed the whole season to get him. Even if we do get him, we will be out of the CL for next season. Thats without considering the absolute egg that will be on the faces of Klopp and co if/when he decides to play elsewhere.

[Kopenhagen]

Sure.

But go on ignoring how relaible journos in three countries have said we're in for him and have a good chance seeing as his family want to be back in England.

Loss of CL revenue is the built-in excuse when he decides to go elsewhere. "We tried."

[cdav]

Real and the two Mancs will battle it out for Bellingham.

The incompetence/tightness of FSG will mean that he won't want to fulfil his hope of playing for a conquering Klopp team.

Another unintended consequence of their shortsightedness.  Another, our income 2023/24 will be hugely down on the peak £600m.

Well done John Henry.         

How much realistically will it fall from this season- £70m? We know wages are heavily incentivised so the outgoings will fall, we also need to shed a large number of players and the Annie Road will open so gate receipts will mitigate some of this fall

I'm almost thinking being out of Europe altogether may be a blessing if we can't get CL- we can then really gut the squad, get back to a leaner core of players and focus on getting our playing style back

[Samie]

Loss of CL revenue is the built-in excuse when he decides to go elsewhere. "We tried."

Funny how that never stops the rest of the teams isn't it? Mofo why you going around being negative evreywhere? Pack it in!

[Solomon Grundy]

Not even arsed if we sign Bellingham anymore. You could sign K Thuram & Kone for the sort of money it would take to sign Jude. Possibly could have some change after that as well. Signing Jude would obviously help our homegrown quota though.

[killer-heels]

Not even arsed if we sign Bellingham anymore. You could sign K Thuram & Kone for the sort of money it would take to sign Jude. Possibly could have some change after that as well. Signing Jude would obviously help our homegrown quota though.

We need I reckon at the very least four players. If we are serious enough in terms of it being a transition season and the season after that we compete then we can’t just sign a couple and then do that whole thing where we put off a signing for a season.

[Coolie High]

We need I reckon at the very least four players. If we are serious enough in terms of it being a transition season and the season after that we compete then we can’t just sign a couple and then do that whole thing where we put off a signing for a season.

At least four players is unrealistic, would say 4 players max. You never truly need that many players when going through a rebuild anyways, what 2-3 players can do for a team is enormous, all of a sudden you have players you’ve written off playing their best football again, we’ve seen it happen with both United and Arsenal(Xhaka Nketiah Fernandes Rashford).

[Samie]

Koudio Kone, we should be all over him like a rash.  His stats tell you he's about to explode.

[Dim Glas]

This Bellingham thing has been an obsession for a while, the suggestion is they basically earmarked the signing at least 12 months ago?

Now, I’m presuming here, that if the spending pattern follows the usual, it'd be of course, coming from money earnt during the year and from sales. So unless that changes, it’d be mad to blow it all on him, because surely what has happened this season is a wake up call that loyalty and too many contract renewals is not the way to carry on with this squad, and that it needs serious surgery.

2 or 3 ‘names’ need ousting this summer if they can find buyers (and if the players decide that taking less money is better than sitting on a bench), as well as those who’s contracts are running down. The money put aside for Bellimgham if that is the case, needs to be spread out. Are there any scouts and stat nerds left at the club? They need to earn their money. If there aren’t, we have a problem.

[classycarra]

At least four players is unrealistic, would say 4 players max. You never truly need that many players when going through a rebuild anyways, what 2-3 players can do for a team is enormous, all of a sudden you have players you’ve written off playing their best football again, we’ve seen it happen with both United and Arsenal(Xhaka Nketiah Fernandes Rashford).

But none of those players were 'written off' for being ten plus years into their adult career and physically unable to compete to a high level anymore though

[DelTrotter]

At least four players is unrealistic, would say 4 players max. You never truly need that many players when going through a rebuild anyways, what 2-3 players can do for a team is enormous, all of a sudden you have players you’ve written off playing their best football again, we’ve seen it happen with both United and Arsenal(Xhaka Nketiah Fernandes Rashford).

Arsenal have basically changed the whole team in recent years, not the best example! Yeah we'll hopefully get Trent and a few others back to his best football but it very likely will never happen for all our old players.

[Samie]

With Brexit means getting players who are 18 and over is easier from abroad. We've had scouts at the recent Under 20's South American Championships. Let's buy some of these little dickheads.

[killer-heels]

At least four players is unrealistic, would say 4 players max. You never truly need that many players when going through a rebuild anyways, what 2-3 players can do for a team is enormous, all of a sudden you have players you’ve written off playing their best football again, we’ve seen it happen with both United and Arsenal(Xhaka Nketiah Fernandes Rashford).

In Klopp’s first full season he signed Mane, Matip, Wijnaldum, season after it was Salah, Van Dijk, Ox, Robertson and after that Alisson, Keita, Shaqiri and Fabinho. 4 players is pretty much the minimum we should expect relative to how much we need to improve.

[Barefoot Doctor]

At least four players is unrealistic, would say 4 players max. You never truly need that many players when going through a rebuild anyways, what 2-3 players can do for a team is enormous, all of a sudden you have players you’ve written off playing their best football again, we’ve seen it happen with both United and Arsenal(Xhaka Nketiah Fernandes Rashford).

Four is the minimum I think, and it’s not unlikely either IMO. Did similar nearer the start of Klopp’s reign. First summer he gets Karius, Matip, Gini and Mane as the big signings (plus Klavan and Manninger) then following summer is Salah, Ox, Robbo and Solanke but we also tried to get Virgil (who obv arrived six months late) and Keita too. Then the following summer it was obviously Alisson, Naby, Fabinho and Shaq, with the aborted Fekir transfer too.

So it can be done. But the problem is, at this point do you trust the club to choose the right players?

[tubby]

Koudio Kone, we should be all over him like a rash.  His stats tell you he's about to explode.

[HeartAndSoul]

Problem is who will we sign? With all respect giving the money to Ljinders and Klopp doesn't seem sensible what with their last 2 attacking signings.

https://youtu.be/SrAkZn2z91o

Posted this video yesterday and about 3 mins 50 in, you can see the reasoning of ljinders to sign nunez there. Reason being he terrorised our defence. If they’re going to start signing players purely based on how they play against us then we’ll be signing about 100 players from now to the end of the season including March from Brighton.

[Solomon Grundy]

We need about 5 players really. 3 CM's(at least 2 this summer) 2 CB's(At least 1 this summer). Then looking further ahead a LB(Hopefully Beck can make the grade). And then we'll need to start looking at our attacking options ie. Replacing Mo. Hopefully, Doak and some other academy players can solve some problems there.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Koudio Kone, we should be all over him like a rash.  His stats tell you he's about to explode.

We don't do stats anymore. That's for nerds

[Solomon Grundy]

Problem is who will we sign? With all respect giving the money to Ljinders and Klopp doesn't seem sensible what with their last 2 attacking signings.

If they're the ones who pushed for those two players they need to stay the hell away from transfer decisions.

[jillcwhomever]

This Bellingham thing has been an obsession for a while, the suggestion is they basically earmarked the signing at least 12 months ago?

Now, I’m presuming here, that if the spending pattern follows the usual, it'd be of course, coming from money earnt during the year and from sales. So unless that changes, it’d be mad to blow it all on him, because surely what has happened this season is a wake up call that loyalty and too many contract renewals is not the way to carry on with this squad, and that it needs serious surgery.

2 or 3 ‘names’ need ousting this summer if they can find buyers (and if the players decide that taking less money is better than sitting on a bench), as well as those who’s contracts are running down. The money put aside for Bellimgham if that is the case, needs to be spread out. Are there any scouts and stat nerds left at the club? They need to earn their money. If there aren’t, we have a problem.

I read sometime recently that Sheffield United are still owing us money for transfers, it makes you wonder how much else we are waiting for. Wasn't there also rumours that all the money from Barca was not accounted either?

[Solomon Grundy]

Koudio Kone, we should be all over him like a rash.  His stats tell you he's about to explode.

Khéphren Thuram is going to be an absolute beast as well mate. We could have both of them for the Bellingham money. I don't want Nunes anywhere near us. He isn't good enough.

[Fromola]

Yep. The club dined out on the Van Dijk waiting for ages when it was clear that Virgil had committed to us.

They effectively waited a year for Keita in the same season though, that doesn't get boasted about funnily enough.

[KloppCorn]

Khéphren Thuram is going to be an absolute beast as well mate. We could have both of them for the Bellingham money. I don't want Nunes anywhere near us. He isn't good enough.

Nunes was playing left wing yesterday and he had us on toast while nullifying Salah and Trent. Guy has energy for days and is pretty press resistant. He’s perfect for us. What makes you say he ain’t good enough.

[Solomon Grundy]

Nunes was playing left wing yesterday and he had us on toast while nullifying Salah and Trent. Guy has energy for days and is pretty press resistant. He’s perfect for us. What makes you say he ain’t good enough.

You're falling into the trap of thinking a player is of the required standard because he played well against us in our current form mate. I've lost count of how many average players we've made look really good this season.

[KloppCorn]

You're falling into the trap of thinking a player is of the required standard because he played well against us in our current form mate. I've lost count of how many average players we've made look really good this season.

hmm true 

[Coolie High]

But none of those players were 'written off' for being ten plus years into their adult career and physically unable to compete to a high level anymore though

Well Xhaka was, i don't think Fabinho and Henderson will suddenly turn things round, but i feel the likes of Salah, VVD, Trent Robertson Thiago still have a lot to offer, in a settled team.