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Re: World Cup: football & teams discussion, plus in-game comments (no flooding!)
« Reply #8640 on: December 7, 2022, 10:06:55 pm »
Not sure they'll go the whole way but I would just about fancy them to beat Argentina. As rafa 83 says below it's Messi having to carry them in every game, they won't get a lot out of some of their other attackers, especially against the top sides. I also think the psychological part will get to them in one game, the pressure, Messi's last chance to win it etc etc.

It would be a bit mad if they did win it, it's obviously not the strongest Dutch side ever, would be great for Van Dijk though.

Quite good odds on them to win too.

I think they will beat Argentina unless others step up to help Messi.

I think France, Portugal and Brazil are all better than Argentina but they can still win it because of one man.
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« Reply #8641 on: December 7, 2022, 10:12:07 pm »
Think you’re all rating one side of the game - Argentina have had some issues attacking but they’re probably the best defensive team in the tournament.
That’s how they won the copa america so no reason why they can’t win this

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« Reply #8642 on: December 7, 2022, 10:12:48 pm »
Morocco say hi to you.  :D

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« Reply #8643 on: December 7, 2022, 10:23:01 pm »
https://twitter.com/dw_sports/status/1600545008221929493

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Despite an early World Cup exit, Hansi Flick will remain Germany's head coach through Euro 2024 — set to take place in Germany.

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« Reply #8644 on: December 7, 2022, 11:11:50 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63896720

England "really believe" they can win the World Cup, unlike in 2018, says centre-back Harry Maguire.

That’s that then


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« Reply #8645 on: December 7, 2022, 11:30:23 pm »
Portugal have got some boys in that team, dear Lord. They’re going to be very good for a very long time. They’re churning out beasts all over the shop.


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« Reply #8646 on: December 7, 2022, 11:39:31 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63896720

England "really believe" they can win the World Cup, unlike in 2018, says centre-back Harry Maguire.

That’s that then
Just reminds me of when Lovren used to give interviews about how we could win everything, only for us to lose the next few games.

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« Reply #8647 on: December 7, 2022, 11:41:15 pm »
But ultimately he was proven right as with him in the squad we did pretty much win everything.  :D

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« Reply #8648 on: December 7, 2022, 11:58:49 pm »
But ultimately he was proven right as with him in the squad we did pretty much win everything.  :D


Hell of a difference between 'in the squad' and 'in the team'


that applies to Maguire in a big way
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« Reply #8649 on: December 7, 2022, 11:59:33 pm »
Quite good odds on them to win too.

I think they will beat Argentina unless others step up to help Messi.

I think France, Portugal and Brazil are all better than Argentina but they can still win it because of one man.
They've been stepping up to help him the whole tournament. A few 2-1 victories last time I checked and Messi only scored once in each. He scored in the Saudi game and they still lost. Goalie Martinez and the defence have also kept them in the tournament.

People need to stop talking/acting like Messi is a solo act and the other 10 players are useless and invisible. He's great, but he's not Zeus.

Think you’re all rating one side of the game - Argentina have had some issues attacking but they’re probably the best defensive team in the tournament.
That’s how they won the copa america so no reason why they can’t win this
Exactly.
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« Reply #8650 on: December 8, 2022, 06:14:23 am »
Quite good odds on them to win too.

I think they will beat Argentina unless others step up to help Messi.

I think France, Portugal and Brazil are all better than Argentina but they can still win it because of one man.

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« Reply #8651 on: December 8, 2022, 08:43:52 am »
They've been stepping up to help him the whole tournament. A few 2-1 victories last time I checked and Messi only scored once in each. He scored in the Saudi game and they still lost. Goalie Martinez and the defence have also kept them in the tournament.

People need to stop talking/acting like Messi is a solo act and the other 10 players are useless and invisible. He's great, but he's not Zeus.
Exactly.

nah you can't overlook that without messi they are an average side

look who they've played so far - saudi arabia poland mexico australia all not exactly world class teams and they lost to one of them

their biggest test is undoubtedly the dutch
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« Reply #8652 on: December 8, 2022, 11:43:41 am »
@MiguelDelaney
Luis Enrique leaving the Spain job
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« Reply #8653 on: December 8, 2022, 12:25:31 pm »
@MiguelDelaney
Luis Enrique leaving the Spain job

Not surprised given how they exited. Supposedly he was telling the media pre-tournament he was the best tactician out of all the other managers at the WC. He also made all the players in the Spanish squad take 1000 penalties in training at their clubs and send the results, which also looks laughable now given how they were knocked out. That said, he'll easily get a top club job.

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« Reply #8654 on: December 8, 2022, 12:27:53 pm »
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« Reply #8655 on: December 8, 2022, 12:28:56 pm »

Unbelievable failing upwards from Martinez if he gets the Spain job. One of the best at it.
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« Reply #8656 on: December 8, 2022, 12:37:38 pm »
But ultimately he was proven right as with him in the squad we did pretty much win everything.  :D

At his best - Lovren played pretty well for us. Despite his horrific political views - he was a good player.

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« Reply #8657 on: December 8, 2022, 01:10:27 pm »

@TheAthleticFC

Spain have promoted Under-21 manager Luis de la Fuente to the top job following Luis Enrique’s exit.

A statement read: “The RFEF has chosen Luis de la Fuente as the new senior national coach to lead the new stage that begins after the World Cup in Qatar.”
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« Reply #8658 on: December 8, 2022, 02:11:51 pm »
nah you can't overlook that without messi they are an average side

look who they've played so far - saudi arabia poland mexico australia all not exactly world class teams and they lost to one of them

their biggest test is undoubtedly the dutch
I guess this is where we'll have to beg to differ. They are not an "average" side to me at all. I wouldn't even call Morocco "average," and that's with or without Ziyech. The Saudi loss was a fluke... You love to see things like that but it was obvious Argentina underestimated them (esp. after scoring first).  If you argued that Ronaldo is far less important to Portugal's success than Messi is to Argentina's I would agree with you 100% there. But they're a good side and Messi is getting a lot of help from his teammates.

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« Reply #8659 on: December 8, 2022, 02:56:56 pm »
Unbelievable failing upwards from Martinez if he gets the Spain job. One of the best at it.
He'll be in the frame for the Brazil job next

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« Reply #8660 on: December 8, 2022, 03:12:53 pm »
My old man has put a bet on for the Dutch to beat Argies and England to beat the French. My ma would say he's lost the plot now but we're a good few years too late on that count.  :D

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« Reply #8661 on: December 8, 2022, 03:38:32 pm »
My old man has put a bet on for the Dutch to beat Argies and England to beat the French. My ma would say he's lost the plot now but we're a good few years too late on that count.  :D

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« Reply #8662 on: December 8, 2022, 03:38:32 pm »
I guess this is where we'll have to beg to differ. They are not an "average" side to me at all. I wouldn't even call Morocco "average," and that's with or without Ziyech. The Saudi loss was a fluke... You love to see things like that but it was obvious Argentina underestimated them (esp. after scoring first).  If you argued that Ronaldo is far less important to Portugal's success than Messi is to Argentina's I would agree with you 100% there. But they're a good side and Messi is getting a lot of help from his teammates.

you do have a point because messi's team mates do work hard within that team - more so than messi - but that hard work doesn't equate to a great team

a decent side then rather than an average one (i'll take that back) but still not at a level where they could be deemed favourites to win this tournament
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« Reply #8663 on: December 8, 2022, 05:34:42 pm »
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« Reply #8664 on: December 8, 2022, 07:08:23 pm »
Can tell gullet is Dutch. He has definitely been smoking something funny
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« Reply #8665 on: December 8, 2022, 09:21:29 pm »
He'll be in the frame for the Brazil job next

No fucking chance. He will be coaching a side in the Middle East now I bet.

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« Reply #8666 on: December 8, 2022, 10:54:13 pm »
Can tell gullet is Dutch. He has definitely been smoking something funny
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« Reply #8668 on: December 9, 2022, 01:45:23 pm »
Van Gaal’s couple of world cups have really enhanced his stature I reckon.  We often talk about international management as a retirement job, but there’s something about managing big egos through an intense tournament, under the highest scrutiny, that’s really a very different kind of test to club management.  Was reflecting recently that I don’t really think about Ferguson very much anymore, whereas if I think about really top-level managers from that era it’s your van Gaals, Capellos and Lippis that come most to mind.  Ferguson feels like a much smaller, more domestic concern without those biggest occasions.

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« Reply #8671 on: December 9, 2022, 02:17:18 pm »
Is there an echo in this thread?
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« Reply #8672 on: December 9, 2022, 02:26:22 pm »
Is there an echo in this thread?

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« Reply #8673 on: December 9, 2022, 02:43:25 pm »
Didn't realise how much I am irritated by Alex Scott until today. Sheeeeessshhhh.

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« Reply #8674 on: December 9, 2022, 02:43:52 pm »
Klinsmann is sitting there with a look of bewilderment.
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« Reply #8675 on: December 9, 2022, 02:44:53 pm »
Hoping both brazil and argentina go through today just to watch argentina kick fuckin lumps out of brazil when they try their tiktok routines

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« Reply #8676 on: December 9, 2022, 02:45:21 pm »
I posted something about this in the other threat yesterday... Brazil aren't winning this tournament so they might as well go out today. Their Press Officer abused a cat at a press conference, with Vinicius Jr. cackling his head off like the Wicked Witch of the West.

Jinxed a.f.   :lickin

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« Reply #8677 on: December 9, 2022, 02:46:19 pm »
I posted something about this in the other threat yesterday... Brazil aren't winning this tournament so they might as well go out today. Their Press Officer abused a cat at a press conference, with Vinicius Jr. cackling his head off like the Wicked Witch of the West.

Jinxed a.f.   :lickin
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« Reply #8678 on: December 9, 2022, 02:46:20 pm »
Didn't realise how much I am irritated by Alex Scott until today. Sheeeeessshhhh.
anything in particular she has said?

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« Reply #8679 on: December 9, 2022, 02:46:54 pm »
Hoping both brazil and argentina go through today just to watch argentina kick fuckin lumps out of brazil when they try their tiktok routines

If the Dutch make it through, there's every chance van Gaal will running dropkick at any stupid dance routines.
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