Author Topic: European and World Champion and all round Big Man Joseph Dave Gomez (Read 775789 times)

Guz-kop · « **Reply #3481 on:** January 5, 2020, 11:10:28 pm »

It's crazy our first choice back 4 has a 22 and 21 year old in it. It's really fucking crazy. Looks like he's getting better game by game

andywilko · « **Reply #3482 on:** January 5, 2020, 11:13:50 pm »

Absolute quality. Man of the Match for me.

Haggis36 · « **Reply #3483 on:** January 5, 2020, 11:33:14 pm »

Hard to believe this lad could still be playing U23 football...

kavah · « **Reply #3484 on:** January 5, 2020, 11:58:25 pm »

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Redcap · « **Reply #3485 on:** January 6, 2020, 12:04:38 am »

He's been excellent once he's worked off the rust. I would love for him to get a really proper run - like a solid year and a half playing week in week out with VVD, because I suspect he'll go up another level again then.

By that I mean, currently we're more or less still mentally relying on VVD to be the guy who marshals a good defence, who makes other defenders look good. I think if Gomez gets to be a part of that pairing for an extended period, he will take on some of those qualities and become a second CB we can rely on - even if VVD is out for a spell.

Sangria · « **Reply #3486 on:** January 6, 2020, 01:15:20 am »

Anyone notice that moment in the first half when our youngsters were having trouble getting hold of the game in the middle, and Gomez took it upon himself to run the ball forward before laying it off? That was lovely.

LallanaInPyjamas · « **Reply #3487 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:02:14 am »

Funny thing is he looks even more comfortable evading opposing strikers' press as a left-sided centre-half but we've got the best one in the world.

rojo para la vida · « **Reply #3488 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:07:20 am »

Quote from: Sangria on January 6, 2020, 01:15:20 am

Anyone notice that moment in the first half when our youngsters were having trouble getting hold of the game in the middle, and Gomez took it upon himself to run the ball forward before laying it off? That was lovely.

I certainly did and thought he had a great game, stepping up to take responsibility. Couldn't believe that several papers marked him down as an ordinary performance.
They weren't watching the same game as me.

rebel23 · « **Reply #3489 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:16:00 am »

He cost £3m

Elzar · « **Reply #3490 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:27:04 am »

A really class performance. They tried to make it as hard as possible, and it took Phillips 30 minutes to settle down and adjust to the game.

It's crazy to think he is the same age as Phillips that played next to him.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #3491 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:49:27 am »

Quote from: Elzar on January 6, 2020, 11:27:04 am

It's crazy to think he is the same age as Phillips that played next to him.

Great shout - so easy to forget how young he is... he's about 4/5 years off his likely peak as a CB

Davidbowie · « **Reply #3492 on:** January 6, 2020, 12:47:10 pm »

I'm a big fan of Joel Matip and was gutted he got injured but I have to say Gomez has stepped it up another level. Matip won't get back in the team if Gomez says fit.

He is excellent.

JC the Messiah · « **Reply #3493 on:** January 6, 2020, 01:22:16 pm »

Question is who partners Gomez when everyone's back fit? I'd guess Virgil...

christofu · « **Reply #3494 on:** January 6, 2020, 01:40:59 pm »

Quote from: Redcap on January 6, 2020, 12:04:38 am

He's been excellent once he's worked off the rust. I would love for him to get a really proper run - like a solid year and a half playing week in week out with VVD, because I suspect he'll go up another level again then.

By that I mean, currently we're more or less still mentally relying on VVD to be the guy who marshals a good defence, who makes other defenders look good. I think if Gomez gets to be a part of that pairing for an extended period, he will take on some of those qualities and become a second CB we can rely on - even if VVD is out for a spell.

Agreed, I think this is key and the next step of his development. I'd say Milner was playing to assist Joe in marshalling the defence but that plan went sideways with Milners injury, and suddenly it was all on Joe to keep things together. Unsurprisingly our defensive line was all over the place for 15 or 20 minutes but credit to him we defended well after that, and immaculately after a half time chat. Klopp also referenced it was Joe's first time marshalling the defence in his post match interview

Hazell · « **Reply #3495 on:** January 6, 2020, 07:49:54 pm »

Quote from: sunny_LFC on January 5, 2020, 10:58:59 pm

Notwithstanding Joe’s ability and the inevitably of it, but is it just a coincidence that ones form has gone this way and the others to shit, since the England incident with the little shit?

I don't think his form was bad earlier on, so to speak, he was in and out of the side and looked a little rusty. Certainly stepped up since he's become a regular again and is back to (or even better?) the level he was at at the beginning of last season until he got injured at Burnley.

Lofty Ambitions · « **Reply #3496 on:** January 6, 2020, 08:18:32 pm »

Quote from: JC the Messiah on January 6, 2020, 01:22:16 pm

Question is who partners Gomez when everyone's back fit? I'd guess Virgil...

Yes, I'd go for Big Virg as well. He often pretty solid next to Joe

reddebs · « **Reply #3497 on:** January 6, 2020, 08:27:20 pm »

When Hendo filled in at CB the other week he said that Joe was brilliant at organising them all, talking all the time, encouraging them and keeping them on their toes.

No surprise he took control last night if that's the case.

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Garlicbread · « **Reply #3498 on:** January 6, 2020, 10:12:49 pm »

Adam Lallana wrote this on one of Joe Gomez's pictures on Instagram:

"Joey G what a game again bro (flex emoji) and what a player (fire emoji).
I loved watching the process of you getting yourself mentally ready for this game! It inspired me (flex emoji)
#YNWA"

Morgana · « **Reply #3499 on:** January 6, 2020, 10:36:06 pm »

Quote from: rojo para la vida on January 6, 2020, 11:07:20 am

I certainly did and thought he had a great game, stepping up to take responsibility. Couldn't believe that several papers marked him down as an ordinary performance.
They weren't watching the same game as me.

The papers still have their pro-Sterling /pro-Manc agenda. They all had a field day in the press and flogged a decomposed horse for weeks on talk radio when their gobshite Ingurlund fans booed Joe after Sterling assaulted him. The fact he wasn't getting much game time was used as justification to malign him as well...As if that somehow made Sterling more important or right. Must be getting under their skin now Joe's finding his form and claiming his rightful place in the Liverpool back four. Fuck the media.

Floydy · « **Reply #3500 on:** January 6, 2020, 10:38:16 pm »

Just popping in to see if Jomez is still the Big Man?

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #3501 on:** January 6, 2020, 10:41:18 pm »

Quote from: Floydy on January 6, 2020, 10:38:16 pm

Just popping in to see if Jomez is still the Big Man?

He certainly is.

HiTs · « **Reply #3502 on:** January 6, 2020, 11:37:18 pm »

Top man - great leadership. Love how he steps up when next to the opponents .....great passing to follow after that.

Sangria · « **Reply #3503 on:** January 7, 2020, 12:10:07 am »

Gomez is excellent on the ground but a bit iffy in the air. He'd fit right into the 1980s defence in other words. Assuming Hansen and Lawrenson would be ahead of him, would Gomez be ahead of Thompson or Gillespie?

Mozology · « **Reply #3504 on:** January 7, 2020, 12:21:20 am »

Been our best player throughout December. Was magnificent against Everton, so composed.

Great thing is, the In-gur-lund morons hate Liverpool players so there will be no calls to start him for England. Without doubt the best English CB. Hilarious to think he and Trent will probably spend most of Euros on the bench.

Dull Tools · « **Reply #3505 on:** January 7, 2020, 02:41:20 pm »

Was thinking he must be the best (or one of the best) young centre back in Europe at the moment. But looked at Transfer Market.com's valuation of u23 centre backs and he is number 13th. Joint with 15th. Madness.

Think he could go on to be special if he keeps his head on straight.

Morgana · « **Reply #3506 on:** January 7, 2020, 07:53:47 pm »

Quote from: Mozology on January 7, 2020, 12:21:20 am

Been our best player throughout December. Was magnificent against Everton, so composed.

Great thing is, the In-gur-lund morons hate Liverpool players so there will be no calls to start him for England. Without doubt the best English CB. Hilarious to think he and Trent will probably spend most of Euros on the bench.

Don't know where this perception comes from or why it's so pervasive. Didn't Southgate start TAA for both games in the last international break? Now that Joe is playing week in week out for us Southgate would not dare bench him. He's a manager who seems easily led by the media and puts a lot of stock in social media too. Lamentably. Now that everyone is acknowledging that Joe is boss he will be the first name on Southgate`s team sheet. Also lamentably.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #3507 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:28:42 pm »

another clean sheet with him in first 11...

JackWard33 · « **Reply #3508 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:32:18 pm »

Quote from: PIPA23 on January 11, 2020, 07:28:42 pm

another clean sheet with him in first 11...

Okay but he wasnt good today; his worst performance since he came back in

He’s just not good under high balls ... it’s a trade off for us - Matip is so much more secure in the air but less pace

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #3509 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:35:17 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on January 11, 2020, 07:32:18 pm

Okay but he wasnt good today; his worst performance since he came back in

He’s just not good under high balls ... it’s a trade off for us - Matip is so much more secure in the air but less pace

We had a few issues Hendo too lost the ball a couple of time, its easy to forget he's only still a young player and will have less steller games once in a while. There was also a misunderstanding between Trent and him, but we got away with that. Matip will get his chance as well, it is important that Van Dijk gets a rest too.

Robotforaday · « **Reply #3510 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:36:05 pm »

Quote from: Morgana on January 6, 2020, 10:36:06 pm

The papers still have their pro-Sterling /pro-Manc agenda.

I'm no fan of Sterling, but when talking about the papers' pro-Sterling agenda, remember that these are the same papers that were practically stalking him and hounding him and his family in borderline if not outright racist ways. The idea that the media is having a Sterling love-in does not take an accurate long-term view.

farawayred · « **Reply #3511 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:38:34 pm »

This is a game Gomez will learn from. No, he wasn't great today. But you could see it on his face when they walked out of the field. Same was Virgil's expression and Hendo's as well. They all know they weren't top class today, but they've done just about enough.

El Lobo · « **Reply #3512 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:42:46 pm »

He played fine. He was a little sloppy as a few were towards the end, but we really don’t need to micro analyse just to try and find something to criticise. It’d be nice to get away from this idea that it’s either amazing or shit.

Coolie High · « **Reply #3513 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:51:27 pm »

Quote from: JackWard33 on January 11, 2020, 07:32:18 pm

Okay but he wasnt good today; his worst performance since he came back in

He’s just not good under high balls ... it’s a trade off for us - Matip is so much more secure in the air but less pace

Agree but I do remember Matip not being great in the air before, in fact I think only in the last year have we seen a major improvement from him in that regards, I think Gomez too it’s something his improving at.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #3514 on:** January 11, 2020, 07:59:40 pm »

Quote from: Coolie High on January 11, 2020, 07:51:27 pm

Agree but I do remember Matip not being great in the air before, in fact I think only in the last year have we seen a major improvement from him in that regards, I think Gomez too it’s something his improving at.

Gomez can obviously improve he's very young for a CB. Just mean right now that's your choice - wouldn't be surprised if Klopp picks horses for courses when both fit

Garnier · « **Reply #3515 on:** January 11, 2020, 08:04:25 pm »

A few nervy moments but we've got to remember that this is a 22 year old defender we're talking about - i'm more than willing to give him time to sort out some of his shortcomings.

Been amazing ever since he came back into the side as well.

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #3516 on:** January 11, 2020, 08:08:23 pm »

His clean sheet record with V.Dijk is absolutely insane.

On the surface this partnership doesn't do much differently to the other two but they just go on keeping clean sheets for fun. It was like that last season and it is now again after Joe got back. I think it's 7 in a row with VVD.

I love Matip a lot but there is a very clear best CB partnership in the club right now, no need to tinker with it at all anymore.

aw1991 · « **Reply #3517 on:** January 11, 2020, 08:08:24 pm »

Good thing Lamela isn't an England international, would have scratched the shit out of him in the next NT training session.

Chris~ · « **Reply #3518 on:** January 11, 2020, 08:14:09 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on January 11, 2020, 08:08:23 pm

His clean sheet record with V.Dijk is absolutely insane.

On the surface this partnership doesn't do much differently to the other two but they just go on keeping clean sheets for fun. It was like that last season and it is now again after Joe got back. I think it's 7 in a row with VVD.

I love Matip a lot but there is a very clear best CB partnership in the club right now, no need to tinker with it at all anymore.

Gomez being incredibly quick is a big difference though. He's able to put pressure on attackers/stop counters and cover for players in away Matip and Lovren physically can't

farawayred · « **Reply #3519 on:** January 11, 2020, 08:19:29 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on January 11, 2020, 08:14:09 pm

Gomez being incredibly quick is a big difference though. He's able to put pressure on attackers/stop counters and cover for players in away Matip and Lovren physically can't

I was going to ask others but didn't think right after this game was a good timing. But I have the perception that Gomez has lost some speed. He used to be faster than van Dijk, which says a lot, but now I don't think that's the case anymore. There were several situations in the last couple of games when I thought he'd be faster to intercept a ball, or chase an attacker, but he missed that fraction of a second... May be just tiredness, he's had to play a lot recently.