Topic: We need to talk about Kevin Hilton, a.k.a Sine Missione

[rob1966]

This is a very good article on our mate Sine Missione

https://theface.com/society/sine-missone-liverpool-cosmic-scallies-scouse-banksy-lockdown-community

The lad is a massive crank - seems to believe every conspiracy theory going

Really good read that, thanks.

Seems like he'd be ok if he just stuck to the good stuff, but he is a right crank with all the bollocks he believes.

[CraigDS]

Really good read that, thanks.

Seems like he'd be ok if he just stuck to the good stuff, but he is a right crank with all the bollocks he believes.

Which is exactly why he shouldn’t be allowed to market himself (because that’s what he’s doing and it’s what his intention has always been) around town.

[Jake]

Hes dangerous as fuck. Waste of oxygen should face criminal charges. Not that I know what for.

[gazzalfc]

Got my census letter through today. Won't take him long to post videos of him not taking it and filming himself arguing with the census takers at his front door

[Son of Spion]

I'd forgotten about him until this thread popped up again today. I was just doing a bit of Googling on him, and he seems pretty confused really, and appears to have disappeared up his own arse. Mind you, he probably doesn't believe that his arse is real either. 

[Son of Spion]

Hes dangerous as fuck. Waste of oxygen should face criminal charges. Not that I know what for.

Criminal damage, for starters.

If he was doing his guerrilla marketing on railway sidings then transport police would have compiled a dossier on him with intent to eventually arrest and charge. Somehow, despite his face, his name, his place of work and his address all being public knowledge, he seems to have got away with defacing much of Liverpool and places beyond too. I saw his shite up in Ibiza after he'd been over there too.

[rob1966]

Criminal damage, for starters.

If he was doing his guerrilla marketing on railway sidings then transport police would have compiled a dossier on him with intent to eventually arrest and charge. Somehow, despite his face, his name, his place of work and his address all being public knowledge, he seems to have got away with defacing much of Liverpool and places beyond too. I saw his shite up in Ibiza after he'd been over there too.

I'll be honest, I like things like the Confucious quotes and Boss Life stuff on the phone cabinets, the Eclipse of the sun and the Shanks thing, brightens up boring objects, but once you go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, he can fuck off.

[Oh Campione]

I'm hoping he packs up a moves to Manchester as that article suggests!  It is very concerning the influence he seems to have, it is a scouse QAnon

[So… Howard Philips]

I'm hoping he packs up a moves to Manchester as that article suggests!  It is very concerning the influence he seems to have, it is a scouse QAnon

He'd fit in well with that Manc wanker, Morrisey.

[bradders1011]

He's already in Manchester, fair few phone boxes and green cabinets. One of them is a fucking Noel Gallagher quote.

[So… Howard Philips]

He's already in Manchester, fair few phone boxes and green cabinets. One of them is a fucking Noel Gallagher quote.

Another Manc wanker then.

[So… Howard Philips]

Ian Brown, another to add to Sine's cabal of Manc wankers;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56278140

[Son of Spion]

I'll be honest, I like things like the Confucious quotes and Boss Life stuff on the phone cabinets, the Eclipse of the sun and the Shanks thing, brightens up boring objects, but once you go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, he can fuck off.

I don't disagree with that. When I was a lad I was an absolute twat for spray-painting LFC-related stuff all over the place, so I can't talk at all. I'm just surprised this guy hasn't had his collar felt, given that it's well known who he is. The stuff I saw of his in Ibiza was not the quotes, but just stuff plugging his brand. There may have been quote-type stuff around too, but all I saw was the name of his business.

I'd much rather see his stuff than the kind of shite taggers spray everywhere. I've never minded the kind of stuff you mentioned but, then again, it's not my property he's putting it on. I liked the Battle of Spion Kop, stuff he did, and it drew attention to something many were totally unaware of.

Regarding his conspiracy nonsense, well he does seem to swallow things whole, doesn't he. Don't get me wrong, I believe in questioning everything. Conspiracies do happen, but he seems to see them everywhere. Rather than appearing to be somewhat enlightened, as he seems to think he is, he actually comes across as extremely gullible, easily influenced and easily manipulated. The type of guy who will wear a mask if you tell him not to and demand a vaccine if you tell him he can't have one. He's more contrary than enlightened. Maybe he should just stick to applying decals to cable boxes.

[Jake]

Ian Brown, another to add to Sine's cabal of Manc wankers;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56278140

What a silly fucking c*nt.

Should put the anti vax and anti maskers into their own festival, pack them in nice and deep. Leave them there.

[CraigDS]

Stumbled across this, not read it all yet..

https://theface.com/society/sine-missone-liverpool-cosmic-scallies-scouse-banksy-lockdown-community

 

This is a very good article on our mate Sine Missione

https://theface.com/society/sine-missone-liverpool-cosmic-scallies-scouse-banksy-lockdown-community

The lad is a massive crank - seems to believe every conspiracy theory going

[Medellin]

 

[Bennett]

I used to love a good conspiracy theory, but is it just me or is this city becoming boringly obsessed with them? It seems that every conversation I strike up with a stranger veers into rogue territory.

I'm sure this isn't a Liverpool phenomenon and I would guess that the pandemic exacerbated the 'problem' across the country, but I would also think Liverpool is particularly bad for it because of (a) its history and general distrust of the government and figures of authority and (b) it's weed culture.

And this isn't relatively harmless "we didn't land on the moon" and "Bigfoot" stuff. Some of the conspiracy theories directly overlap with most of the shite coming from right wing nut jobs in the heart of Trumpland America. I'm all for an open discussion, and I am always open to listening to other ideas. But when it's the same crap parroted over and over again, it becomes clear that I'm not talking to somebody with their own philosophy. It's just soundbite nonsense like "it's modern society lad" and waffle about "the establishment". There's zero substance behind any of what is said. Nothing tangible. No facts.

Am I just happening upon the wrong people? Does my face scream "tell me about the latest mental thing you saw on TikTok mate"? I'm not just imagining how prevalent this is, I'm sure of it.

[So… Howard Philips]

I used to love a good conspiracy theory, but is it just me or is this city becoming boringly obsessed with them? It seems that every conversation I strike up with a stranger veers into rogue territory.

Am I just happening upon the wrong people? Does my face scream "tell me about the latest mental thing you saw on TikTok mate"? I'm not just imagining how prevalent this is, I'm sure of it.

Weren’t you warned about stranger danger as a kid? And you’re not the only one who the wild eyed crank engages in conversation on Merseyrail.

Not sure if it’s a purely Liverpool thing but growing up on a Council estate in the 60s there were always weird rumours swirling around. Social media has just taken it to another level.

[kavah]

I liked the 80s - Julian Cope / Pink Floyd - Cosmic Scousers - always argued in good faith, with love.

A bit about the evolution

https://theface.com/society/sine-missone-liverpool-cosmic-scallies-scouse-banksy-lockdown-community

[liverbloke]

Weren’t you warned about stranger danger as a kid? And you’re not the only one who the wild eyed crank engages in conversation on Merseyrail.

Not sure if it’s a purely Liverpool thing but growing up on a Council estate in the 60s there were always weird rumours swirling around. Social media has just taken it to another level.

i was on the train going to southport when a little sweet soft-spoken old lady opposite me asked me if i had the time and this then led into us having a cordial conversation

it ended suddenly though when she openly said to me 'i love southport, i was born there, but it's not the same with all these coloured people living there now'

i made my excuses and got off at the next stop

[AndyMuller]

Fella in my work has well and truly fell down the rabbit hole.

[Crosby Nick]

Fella in my work has well and truly fell down the rabbit hole.

Full Ricky Lambert?

[So… Howard Philips]

Fella in my work has well and truly fell down the rabbit hole.

White Rabbit or Red Queen?

[Indomitable_Carp]

I agree I think Liverpool is bad for it, for all the reasons you mentioned. The article from Kavah is spot on. Pretty much everyone has at least one Cosmically-inclined mate. My friend is a masseuse and well into all that, and my best mates younger brother is also a full-blown conspiracy nut, and, surprise surprise, in a psych band!

A few of the "Scouse" social media groups I'm in, there to share funny memes or videos of Liverpool or whatever, end up veering into conspiracy territory (with plenty of likes).

But the whole of the internet is bad for it these days. I reckon there must be a solid 20%+ of people whose only understanding of politics and the world is through conspiracy theory. They'll believe pretty much anything is a conspiracy. And they dress is up as being smarter than all the other sheep, while going off about how sun cream gives you cancer 

[KillieRed]

I listened to a recent Michael Cohen podcast “Mea Culpa”. He’s a bit off the wall and his podcast is full of personal grievances, but he had Robert Kennedy Jr on. That guy is all kinds of crazy, even if you can get past his weak voice, the conspiracy theories are nuts. All made to make you distrust people who do actual good. Anthony Fauci should take him to the cleaners.

[Bennett]

I listened to a recent Michael Cohen podcast “Mea Culpa”. He’s a bit off the wall and his podcast is full of personal grievances, but he had Robert Kennedy Jr on. That guy is all kinds of crazy, even if you can get past his weak voice, the conspiracy theories are nuts. All made to make you distrust people who do actual good. Anthony Fauci should take him to the cleaners.

I tried listening to Robert Kennedy Jr on Rogan, but his voice is so fucking annoying. It's impossible to listen to him.

[rob1966]

Fella in my work has well and truly fell down the rabbit hole.

Fella at work from Wigan is the same, fucking nutjob. Contrails, illuminatii, experimental covid vaccine.

[KillieRed]

I tried listening to Robert Kennedy Jr on Rogan, but his voice is so fucking annoying. It's impossible to listen to him.

Yep, I gave up after a while. His voice is as annoying as the crap he comes out with.

[Ziltoid]

Paging Alan_X, Alan_X to reception please.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

I used to love a good conspiracy theory

The quality of conspiracy theories ain't what it used to be

[ToneLa]

Do not agree it's a Scouse thing

Also don't like the "cosmic scouse" thing being tied to conspiracy shit - they're different things to me

I spend time on American forums (wow, you should see their nutso stuff), I work technically in London but remote, I've worked Manchester, Chester, Warrington.... it's all over

Look online, it's all over

so

but I would also think Liverpool is particularly bad for it because of (a) its history and general distrust of the government and figures of authority and (b) it's weed culture.

All it probably means is that in the examples you've seen the above - which I'd argue is broadly healthy and I certainly find it attractive to be distrustful of government especially right now - perhaps lends a more freeing air for them to espouse their views, but all this means is elsewhere they're more hidden

The thing about conspiracy theorists is you need to be pretty damaged to fall in that hole, there's a couple of studies suggesting low personal esteem or other conditions like narcissism lead to it

https://www.psypost.org/2016/02/narcissism-and-low-self-esteem-predict-conspiracy-beliefs-41253

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550615616170

I sort of see it as the manifestation, or symptom, of this, or something else. It's fixated thinking turned sour

Then you consider the sort of media that seems to target these people - and it turns from something sad into something nasty

It's a symptom, and unfortunately one that creates its own issues. I think this is what you get when you have right wing governments in, that harm the values that make us happy. Is that a conspiracy?

Rogan is an absolute fucking turd btw

[Bennett]

It's a symptom, and unfortunately one that creates its own issues. I think this is what you get when you have right wing governments in, that harm the values that make us happy. Is that a conspiracy?

That might well be true, but like I alluded to, a lot of the conspiracy theories veer into right-wing / fascist territory. We've had a right wing government in power in this country since 2010 and yet certain quarters paint the 'liberal agenda' as the reason why society is crumbling. Make it make sense.

On two other points you made: I don't have a particular issue with Rogan. I don't find him a particularly great or even good comedian, but it's all subjective and I think most people's perception of him is wrong. The people who associate themselves with him tend to worse, but that's hardly his fault.

On the "cosmic Scouser" point. There's potential for that term to be endearing but this isn't the 60s and the free will attitude of such individuals isn't all peace and love. Conspiracies are warping people's ideals altogether and tends to lead of a dangerous rabbit hole.

[Son of Spion]

Paging Alan_X, Alan_X to reception please.

I've heard that Alan_X is codename for a government sponsored debunker operating in the UK.

[WillG.LFC]

I used to love a good conspiracy theory, but is it just me or is this city becoming boringly obsessed with them? It seems that every conversation I strike up with a stranger veers into rogue territory.

I'm sure this isn't a Liverpool phenomenon and I would guess that the pandemic exacerbated the 'problem' across the country, but I would also think Liverpool is particularly bad for it because of (a) its history and general distrust of the government and figures of authority and (b) it's weed culture.

And this isn't relatively harmless "we didn't land on the moon" and "Bigfoot" stuff. Some of the conspiracy theories directly overlap with most of the shite coming from right wing nut jobs in the heart of Trumpland America. I'm all for an open discussion, and I am always open to listening to other ideas. But when it's the same crap parroted over and over again, it becomes clear that I'm not talking to somebody with their own philosophy. It's just soundbite nonsense like "it's modern society lad" and waffle about "the establishment". There's zero substance behind any of what is said. Nothing tangible. No facts.

Am I just happening upon the wrong people? Does my face scream "tell me about the latest mental thing you saw on TikTok mate"? I'm not just imagining how prevalent this is, I'm sure of it.

oh no they've gotten to Bennett, if that is your real name

[John C]

I listened to a recent Michael Cohen podcast “Mea Culpa”. He’s a bit off the wall and his podcast is full of personal grievances, but he had Robert Kennedy Jr on. That guy is all kinds of crazy, even if you can get past his weak voice, the conspiracy theories are nuts. All made to make you distrust people who do actual good. Anthony Fauci should take him to the cleaners.

I listen to it also, and purposely to this one having heard the guy is a nut-job. But he wasn't as bad as I thought. At least 3 times Cohen had to apologise or backtrack on something he stood corrected for. I know nothing about Kennedy in general though.
This is a bit off-topic anyway.

My cousins husband from Birkenhead has given his entire life to conspiracies now. Goes to conferences in America.
He is such a lovely bloke and it can be fascinating listening to him, but mostly you just find yourself saying "ah come on".

[liverbloke]

so did all this conspiracy thingy start when jfk was assassinated (sorry, taken out by the american government ) or was it when hitler didn't commit suicide but decided instead to relocate to brazil and bring up a secret aryan race?

..or was it when someone saw elvis working in the old swan chippy?

[Titi Camara]

I think generations failed by the education system and society in the west, the US and the UK especially, have given rise to people, especially young and middle aged men, feeling disenfranchised and lacking in purpose and identity. The far right, conspiracy theorists and those promoting toxic masculinity have recognised this and actively created a market where they engage those looking for answers, brainwashing many in the process with the view of monetarising them long term through online interactions.

It's definitely not something exclusively related to Liverpool, it's a wide ranging issue that asks questions both of those leading these countries but also the system running both, capitalism, to which there are no easy answers.

It's yet another disturbing symptom of the current state of the world. Where people are desperate for mental and spiritual guidance, what they find instead are men greedy for money, with a distinct lack of morality about how they get it.

[Baby Huey]

There’s always been a soft c*nt who can’t-won’t accept the reality and has to have a different narrative, the Lindbergh Baby story, how long ago was that.

[So… Howard Philips]

There’s always been a soft c*nt who can’t-won’t accept the reality and has to have a different narrative, the Lindbergh Baby story, how long ago was that.

With the virtual death of organised religion a large vacuum developed which the credulous are rushing to fill with conspiracy theories.

[Baby Huey]

With the virtual death of organised religion a large vacuum developed which the credulous are rushing to fill with conspiracy theories.

In the UK that’s the case, but in the home of conspiracy theorists the majority of the population say they still worship, whomever, but they believe.

As I said it’s not a new thing, JFK, Apollo 11. I think the internet plays a massive role in this, people can access any crackpot/crank anywhere in the world, that’s one of the reasons these theories propagate.

And people need an explanation as to why their life is shit, blame on some crackpot theories, it’s not your fault then.