Topic: Suarez and Liverpool FC

[GODS LEFT BOOT]

I told my sister who is completely disinterested in football. Her first reaction? Bemused laughter. When I told her it was the third time? More laughter.

If he was going around punching people in the face, I'd be more willing to condemn him. The fact is he's done the sum of fuck all damage to three fellas by having a nibble, and will probably have been punished for over 30 games for them. I'm not saying that's unjust by the way. But that's what it is, isn't it? If he'd broken three noses, would he have been suspended for less games?

I don't see how it being more unusual equals it being worse. Shitting on a fellas chest while he's sleeping is probably more uncommon than murdering or crippling someone. It doesn't mean it's worse though.

Fuck me 

[Il Capitano]

Poultry in motion, tra la la la la...

[Red_Irishman]

Fuck me 

fairly graphic that

[TepidT2O]

Zico was from a middle-class family in Rio. He has never lived in a favela in his life.

I know for a fact that Romario once pissed onto journalists off a hotel balcony while on International duty with Brazil.

Ronaldo pretty much only made it because Jairzinho met him and personally paid for him to become a footballer, paying for his gear, driving him to practices, ringing around pro clubs for him. I know this from actually speaking to Jairzinho himself. Without a mentor I have no doubt he would have a different story today.

I know so little of Jairzinho's childhood to comment. I would say though that these events are not really a big deal in Brazil and rarely make it into the public domain. In fact it is usually avoiding to protect the image of Selecão (see earler story of Romario for example).

Again, I wasn´t saying "born in favela = destined to be a psycho dickhead". I was merely offering an explaining of how some players develope a way to handle growing up in that environment that they find hard to shake afterwards.

Good hand played there!

[macca1040]

A bunch of commentary but seems like there are basically 2 points of view:

1.   I DON’T care because he scores goals.

           - Which is supported by the following arguments:

                    i.  Hard tackles are much worse

                   ii.  Shankly would have loved him

                  iii.  We'd suck without him

                  iv.  We somehow already know the ban is going to be too long

                   v. Conspiratorial agenda by the English media

                  vi.  Suarez is a mad genius

                 vii.  He was wearing a Uruguay shirt so it’s almost like it never happened at all

                viii.  I bit a guy once and he liked it

2.   I DO care because enough is enough.

          - Which is supported by the following arguments:

                  i.  He bit a guy

                 ii.  He bit another guy

                iii.  He bit a third guy

                iv.  He might bite a fourth guy and he might be wearing a red shirt when he does it

                 v.  Biting people is kind of a fucked up thing to do

                vi.  Shankly would have hated him

                vii.  It reflects poorly on LFC

               viii.  He can be sold for a shitload of money

[Cantona]

Again, I wasn´t saying "born in favela = destined to be a psycho dickhead". I was merely offering an explaining of how some players develope a way to handle growing up in that environment that they find hard to shake afterwards.

Fair enough, although the vast majority of footballers from very poor backgrounds in S.America and Africa don't really behave any differently on the football pitch to others with more priviliged backgrounds, i'm sure you agree.

[redgriffin73]

I love the fact it's pissed so many mancs and other fans and media off. My old man rang me after it happened and said "you see that"? I said Yeh he's a mentler and we both laughed. Fact is, he needs help not punishment. He's one of the best footballers in the world and I'm so past giving a Fuck that it just amuses me now. Oh the morale outrage, think of the children, put him in prison...for fucks sake someone actually seriously said that....You can only laugh as clearly some are just as mental as our Louis. I'll support him, don't care, hope he continues to be the best in the league and pisses them all off even more.

Pretty much my view.

[Skidder.]

Fair enough, although the vast majority of footballers from very poor backgrounds in S.America and Africa don't really behave any differently on the football pitch to others with more priviliged backgrounds, i'm sure you agree.

Bringing it back to the point though mate (Which is Luis Suarez); trying to defend his actions by any means necessary is not doing anything other taking up bandwidth. 

[redgriffin73]

La Pais apparent show Chellini celebrating with shirt off many moons ago.

Guess what ,...the marks where there then.

Dunno how reliable this is but...

https://twitter.com/brodriguez135/status/481789825532821504/photo/1

[SimplyRed91]

The sooner the ban is revealed the better. Hope it's tonight.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Well Sakho has just gone and done and elbowed someone on a corner.

Should sell him. Think of all the bad publicity.

Etc.

[Chakan]

Bringing it back to the point though mate (Which is Luis Suarez); trying to defend his actions by any means necessary is not doing anything other taking up bandwidth. 

He wasn't defending them, he was offering an explanation as to why it may happen.

[karl740]

Whilst most Liverpool fans are now right in touch with Luis's mentality (previous suggestions that biting is a move engineering act now look way off as he obviously realised it was a mistake straight away this time and he loves playing for Uruguay) I think the reality is that many of feel a little more detached than the last one. The Chelsea bite directly impacted upon us but this one is different, Uruguay are more deeply affected now and Suarez's value has risen since then, both financially and to us.

If he's banned for Uruguay, our gain
If no-one wants him, we've kept hold of one of the best players in the world and he starts at game 1 next year
If he leaves, the buy out is now £68m and our PR disaster is over.

As a club, other than reputation, we can't really lose this time and, whatever you think, the name of Liverpool will get even more hits worldwide and more people will pay to watch us.

Take out the personal principles (which I am able to do quite easily as I hear of and see worse things everyday off the pitch) then the selfish supporter in me sees the above.

I'm not the manager so I don't have to bring my personal views into it, if it was an individual athlete then I would probably lose interest in him. As I'm a Liverpool fan, and we circle the wagons the world regularly, both as a City and a club against the rest of the country, then my external face will remain calm, my inner selfishness will be OK and I'll carry applying my personal principles to my own life, especially as I'd genuinely rather be bitten (non-invasive) than have my leg broken.

Wrong, no justification but ultimately no tears or great concerns once the furore has died down. Nuttah, but, at this moment, our Nuttah.

Where has this figure come from?

[TepidT2O]

Well Sakho has just gone and done and elbowed someone on a corner.

Should sell him. Think of all the bad publicity.

Etc.

To be fair, he fell on to his elbow (!)

[bclfc]

Well Sakho has just gone and done and elbowed someone on a corner.

Should sell him. Think of all the bad publicity.

Etc.

Sell them all!!! 

[Skidder.]

He wasn't defending them, he was offering an explanation as to why it may happen.

Fair enough, he's made his point and offered various points in various forums. It would be highly arrogant (Not on any specific persons part) to think that they are 'unmoot' points of view.

[Cantona]

Dunno how reliable this is but...

https://twitter.com/brodriguez135/status/481789825532821504/photo/1

Those dastardly Italians have obviously rubbed Suarez' favourite drink mate on Chiellini's shoulder, knowing he would be thirsty and would instinctively have a sniff of said shoulder, at which point he fell into the trap and a previous scar would instead be used as evidence of a "bite".
Baldrick would be proud of this cunning plan.

[TheTeflonJohn]

                viii.  I bit a guy once and he liked it

 

Out of interest, what`s your views in all this then.

[PIPA23]

was Suarez banned from Uruguay matches while he was baned for the Ivanovic bite?

why should he be banned for us now, if he wasn´t for Uruguay back then...?!

[redbyrdz]

Meh. To be honest, I don't think it was particularly bad, though obviously it's violent conduct and he'll get another ban, hopefully only for internationals. That's all there should be to it really. I don't get all the outrage. He'll do mad things now and then, that's just who he is. It likely will get less as he gets older, but it'll never leave him. Think of Zidane.

[Keita Success]

Where has this figure come from?

His arse/he's itk.

[thekitkatshuffler]

was Suarez banned from Uruguay matches while he was baned for the Ivanovic bite?

Maybe his opponents should be baned and then it wouldn't happen. 

[Upinsmoke]

Not arsed anymore. I mean it's pathetic how much coverage it's getting. Fucking pathetic.

[Andy82lfc]

I don't see how it being more unusual equals it being worse. Shitting on a fellas chest while he's sleeping is probably more uncommon than murdering or crippling someone. It doesn't mean it's worse though.

 

Don't know whether its the plain and simple sensationalism, the fact it keeps happening or just the massive over-the-top hypocrisy, but while some of the day I've been seriously pissed off with the media etc, for most I've honestly never laughed so much at some of the comments, gifs and jokes! Especially the above, brilliant! 

[El Lobo]

Not arsed anymore. I mean it's pathetic how much coverage it's getting. Fucking pathetic.

I flicked onto Sky Sports News this morning and they were talking about it. Flicked over and watched twenty minutes of some Attenborough thing on Eden, flicked over to SSN on a break and they were STILL discussing it.

[bclfc]

The funny thing is, it's both hilarious and infuriating at the same time.  It's like politics.

[RedPat]

The hysteria being stoked up by all British media and I include Robbie Fowler ,Phil Thompson and particularly Martin Tyler is way over the top,four match international ban agree to weekly therapy and it's all systems go for Southampton on The 16th of August.

[Chakan]

Fair enough, he's made his point and offered various points in various forums. It would be highly arrogant (Not on any specific persons part) to think that they are 'unmoot' points of view.

It's his points of view from his personal experiences, either you can offer an opposing view from a personal point as well, or not? You can't call him out for it if it's a personal experience can you?

[swoopy]

Not arsed anymore. I mean it's pathetic how much coverage it's getting. Fucking pathetic.

Couldn't agree more

Imagine if this was Rooney, the media would be passing it off as an elbow to the face, Rooney slipped, Rooney being made to look like a bad guy, Rooney was hungry etc.

[Son of Stag]

should have bit his jugular vein open give them somethin worth goin on about

[Gus 1855]

was Suarez banned from Uruguay matches while he was baned for the Ivanovic bite?

why should he be banned for us now, if he wasn´t for Uruguay back then...?!

Because the FA have no jurisdiction over internationals, FIFA does over everything.

I suspect that's it, but your point is valid.

[TepidT2O]

should have bit his jugular vein open give them somethin worth goin on about

He would have need go go gadget telescopic teeth

[RedPat]

I flicked onto Sky Sports News this morning and they were talking about it. Flicked over and watched twenty minutes of some Attenborough thing on Eden, flicked over to SSN on a break and they were STILL discussing it.

its gold dust for those Sky wankers not to mention Roy and the England team.Coming home the day Luis has a bite is the ultimate good day to bury bad news.

[Les Willis]

I realise that everyone here wants to protect and defend Suarez.

But didn't any of your Mums ever tell you not to bite anyone? I can't believe how so many on here just laugh his behaviour off.

[RedPat]

I realise that everyone here wants to protect and defend Suarez.

But didn't any of your Mums ever tell you not to bite anyone? I can't believe how so many on here just laugh his behaviour off.

I had a bird once who loved being bitten on the arse.

[bclfc]

Couldn't agree more

Imagine if this was Rooney, the media would be passing it off as an elbow to the face, Rooney slipped, Rooney being made to look like a bad guy, Rooney was hungry etc.

 

Wait a sec, there's a defence... he was just having a bit of salami, he was.

[bclfc]

I had a bird once who loved being bitten on the arse.

I had an arse once that loved being bitten by a bird.

[thekitkatshuffler]

Because the FA have no jurisdiction over internationals, FIFA does over everything.

I suspect that's it, but your point is valid.

Is that even true though?  I thought they only had jurisdiction over their own competitions in relation to disciplinary action?

[RedPat]

I had an arse once that loved being bitten by a bird.

lucky you

[El Lobo]

I realise that everyone here wants to protect and defend Suarez.

But didn't any of your Mums ever tell you not to bite anyone? I can't believe how so many on here just laugh his behaviour off.

Didn't your mum ever tell you if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all?