Topic: Roma-Gala trouble - UEFA meet 28/3 (now 22/3)

[Anthony]

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/news/Kind=1/newsId=19382.html

UEFA open Rome investigation
Thursday 14 March 2002
UEFA has opened a disciplinary investigation following events in the UEFA Champions League match between AS Roma and Galatasaray SK at the Olimpico stadium.

Unruly scenes
After the final whistle in Rome, both teams were involved in unruly scenes on the pitch that continued into the players' tunnel. European football's governing body has decided to investigate on the basis of various reports including those from the referee and match delegate.

Disciplinary meeting
It is likely that the incidents, which came after a 1-1 draw between the sides, will be considered at the UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body meeting scheduled for 28 (Now 22) March in Nyon, Switzerland.

(Thanks to ttnbd for pointing out the following...)

http://www.soccernet.com/championsleague/news/2002/0314/20020314romeuefaprobe.html

UEFA brings forward Roma probe

GENEVA, March 14 (Reuters) - UEFA has moved forward by six days to March 22 the disciplinary hearing into the brawl that marred Wednesday's Roma-Galatasaray Champions League match in Rome.
Earlier European soccer's governing body said it had launched a disciplinary investigation into the incident and said it would be considered at a UEFA control and disciplinary body meeting scheduled for March 28 in Nyon, Switzerland.

But a UEFA spokesman later said: 'Due to the amount of evidence already available, the meeting has been brought forward to March 22.'

The brawl at the end of the 1-1 draw in group B involved players and coaching staff from both teams and resulted in injuries to 18 policemen.

So (still!) nothing's likely to be decided before we play Roma!

As I've said previously, any disciplinary measures taken against Roma as a club are likely to affect us. If UEFA award the match to Gala it will mean that any draw between Gala & Barca will put us out regardless of how much we may beat Roma by whereas if Roma were to be expelled and the results of the remaining 3 teams taken we would go out unless Barca beat Gala next week.

The only benefit we could have taken is to see Roma have a number of players suspended and therefore weakened for our match. Whether or not this may yet happen will depend on whether the referree issued any "Red Cards" after the match.

[Denzil]

it would have been nice if theyd had points off makeing our job nice and easy  

[Anthony]

Well, as the situation stands, they would have to deduct a lot of points to make a significant difference.

1 or 2 points off Roma would mean we *definitely* qualify if we win but we still go out if we don't.

3 points off Roma would mean we'd be level on points with them. However a score draw would still put them above us on the away goals rule and a 0-0 would put them through on Goal Difference (Roma +3, Liverpool -2)

It's only if UEFA deducted 4 or more points from Roma that a draw would take us through providing  that Barca win. But that is not going to happen, especially after the matches are played.

[Anthony]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/champions_league/newsid_1872000/1872220.stm

Uefa has opened an investigation into the brawl that marred Roma's Champions League tie with Galatasaray.
The brawl at the end of the 1-1 draw in group B involved players and coaching staff from both teams and resulted in injuries to 18 policemen.

Galatasaray official Abdurrahman Albayrak said that several of his team's players had sustained injuries after being struck by police batons.

"On the basis of various reports from the referee, delegates as well as the venue director, Uefa has opened a disciplinary investigation," said a spokesman for European football's governing body.

"It is likely that it will be looked at next week at the Uefa control and disciplinary body meeting, which is scheduled for 28 March in Nyon (Switzerland)."


Turkey's prime minister Bulent Ecevit said he was "deeply saddened" by the attacks on Galatasaray players and officials.

The country's foreign minister Ismail Cem condemned the actions of the Italian police.

"The Italian police showed no mercy striking our players with their sticks in front of the dressing rooms," said Cem.

[redtel]

I've watched the tape of ITV highlights several times and there is that much going on it rivals the American Wrestling for action. Even Capello gets in the middle of it trying to calm Roma No.5 Lima who loses it big-time.

If this was Premier League the ref would dish out red/yellow cards as has happened in the tunnels here. Not sure how Uefa refs react to this, as there are Uefa observers at each match and I spotted one in the trouble trying to calm things down.

As the action happened on the side of the pitch I expect refs report or observers report to produce some action.It looks like a bad tackle in the last seconds right by the benches triggered it. Totti stamped on the Gala right back with a nasty tackle.  

[Emile_Zola]

I hope that you f.ck Roma next week.
All Galatasaray fans are waiting to see Roma out of action.
Capello is responsible for what he did and he can never come to Istanbul in his entire life.

You can count on us that we will crush Barcelona in Istanbul.Our fans are fuming and very very angry.We will do everything you can imagine to defeat Barcelona in Istanbul.
They have no singla chance if I knew little bit my home town Istanbul.No one can mess with us. :  :  :

But sincerely Liverpool is the only team we had respect so far.Lovely fans and very honest players.

[Anthony]

If Gala have players injured, as indicated in the BBC Report above, what's the likelihood of they asking for the games to be postponed until after the meeting's taken place?

This could be serious. What if that had been our players? We would certainly be looking for Roma to be punished severely.

[Andy]

what the hell happened?? what started it all?

i think roma should be banned from turning up next tuesday, thereby allowing us tho win 2-0, taking in to account our defensive football  

[Emile_Zola]

what the hell happened?? what started it all?

i think roma should be banned from turning up next tuesday, thereby allowing us tho win 2-0, taking in to account our defensive football  

ROMA-GALATASARAY WWF  
You can see all the pictures here
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/content/galeri/roma/roma01.html
click all these 31 pictures.

And here how Fabio 'the asshole' Capello pull the hair of Gala trainer who tries to calm down the players.This is the reason  the fighting errupted.

http://www.kalibre.com.tr/roma_maci_ozel/capello_eserhocanin_sacini_cekiyor.JPG

[Aksel_GS]

This absoluely sux!!   : :but:  :but: I can't see Roma trying this Kind of BS with a "european" team!! :

Anyway don't worry about GS Drawing with Barca ... it wont happen - We should be able to beat Barca at home but if it's still a draw in the 90th and Liverpool are winning ....hehe well I cant see us letting Roma go through when a draw will see us out as much as a loss ...

Anyway I pasted a couple of articles below .. from onefootball.com (didnt use Turkish press as everyone would just say they are biased)

: : : ROMA

Batistuta sorry for starting scuffle

Thursday 14th March 2002

Roma forward Gabriel Batistuta has apologised for striking Galatasaray's Emre Asik at the start of a mass brawl between the two sides following Wednesday night's draw. "I set a bad example and I'm sorry," he said.

TV cameras showed Batistuta react when Emre offered his hand to shake at the end of a niggly game which finished 1-1. The Argentina forward palmed his opponent away in a move that ignited a series of scuffles in a melee near the tunnel. Blows were traded as police tried to restore order.

After the incident Batistuta admitted that he was out of order. "I'm sorry about that," he said. "They insulted us during the match and they fouled us repeatedly, so I was really tense at the end. I'm sorry also because I set a bad example by reacting that way."

Roma midfielder Francisco Lima could be seen swinging punches as stewards attempted to restrain him. Galatasaray coaching staff seemed to provoke Lima, while one unidentified player with the Istanbul club was seen jostling stewards.

Much of the Galatasaray bench seemed to be involved in the incidents, but coach Mircea Lucescu could be seen furiously remonstrating with his own staff and in one case manhandling an assistant towards the tunnel.

When the situation calmed down, several GS players needed treatment for injuries. One appeared to have been hit by a missile thrown from the stand.

Roma coach Fabio Capello could not shed any more light on the incident. "I really don't know how the scuffle started," he said.

"I just tried to keep my players as far as possible from the fight. After such a difficult match all the players were really nervous.

"Do I think the referee made the situation worse by leaving some rugged fouls by the Turkish players unpunished? It's possible, but I don't like to complain too much about that. Now we have to think about the match in Liverpool."

His opposite number Mircea Lucescu said: "It's not nice to see this kind of thing. The players were edgy after the match. Anyway, we played a good match against a great team and we deserved the draw."

Umit Karan had put the Turks in front just before the break with a shot through centre-back Walter Samuel's legs after sloppy defending, but full-back Cafu lobbed home to level on 50 minutes.


ROUND-UP Roma and GS in post-match punch-up

Wednesday 13th March 2002

Riot police waded in to separate Roma and Galatasaray staff and players as they clashed violently at the end of Wednesday's draw.

On a night of four Champions' League stalemates, half the goals came in the Stadio Olimpico, where Roma came from behind to hold GS in a niggly match.

Umit Karan put the Turks in front just before the break with a shot through centre-back Walter Samuel's legs after sloppy defending, but full-back Cafu lobbed home to level on 50 minutes.

The real action came after the final whistle, though, as players joined a melee near the tunnel. Blows were traded as police tried to restore order.

Roma midfielder Francisco Lima could be seen swinging punches as stewards attempted to restrain him. Galatasaray coaching staff seemed to provoke Lima, while one unidentified player with the Istanbul club was seen jostling stewards.

Roma boss Fabio Capello then appeared to grab GS goalkeeping coach Eser Ozaltindere by the hair. Much of the Galatasaray bench seemed to be involved in the incidents, but coach Mircea Lucescu could be seen furiously remonstrating with his own staff and in one case manhandling an assistant towards the tunnel.

When the situation calmed down, several GS players needed treatment for injuries. One appeared to have been hit by a missile thrown from the stand.

[antifener]

I just got back from rome this morning. Before the game we rented some scooters and went all over Rome. People were so nice to us. But after the game, what took place was incredible. Just after the final whistle ,as our player were leaving the pitch, Roma players started to swear at our players. Their manager Capello suddently pulled our assistant managers' hair and fans were throwing cans and bottles. Funny part wasthat  the Italian police suddently started to  hit our players with their wodden sticks. Our players had to stay at the middle of the pitch.4 of our players injured especially Capone who still can not walk straight. 2.000 Galatasaray visiting fans were told by the Italian police that the situation was out of hand and we had to stay in Olimpico for another 2 hours. Italian police had to use smoke bombs in order to clear  the situation.
IF IT WERE HAPPENED AT ALI SAMI YEN OR AT ANFIELD BELIEVE ME BOTH GALATASARAY AND LIVERPOOL WERE TO BE KICKED OUT OF COMPETITION BY UEFA
Lets see what happens but I am expecting Roma officials to cover this terrible thing by giving bribes to UEFA officials. (UEFA official ,who are going to prepare the initial report,is from GREECE )
Anyway we are going to beat Barcelona in Istanbul and please take the shit out of Roma . LET US HOPE THAT GALATASARAY AND LİVERPOOL GO THRU' SEMI-FINAL HAND TO HAND. I WOULD LOVE TO MEET LIVERPOOL FANS AT GLASKOW  

[Anthony]

Antifener - the same thought occurred to me that, if this had happened at Ali Sami Yen, the talk would be of throwing Gala out of the competition.

However, I think that they won't because UEFA will chicken out of doing anything. I believe this is already happening because they're not discussing any action until after the final round of matches next week. Liverpool & Gala could make things easier by winning next week and putting Roma out. If Barca win next week it would also put Roma (and Gala) out.

The nightmare scenario as far as Liverpool go is if Liverpool win by the necessary 2 goals and Barca/Gala draw. This puts Roma & Liverpool through. UEFA then examine the Roma match and award the game to Gala. This puts Gala through with 8 points at the expense of Roma but also puts Barca through at the expense of Liverpool because there are then only the 2 teams on 7 points and Barca go above Liverpool on the aggregate scores!!! You will therefore understand why we would be less than pleased with such an outcome.  

Anyway, Aksel_GS, I would be interested in what the Turkish Press, and particularly the club, have to say about this. I'd also be interested in what the Italian Media are making of this, if anybody could assist.

[Aksel_GS]

Antinky-Winky,

The Turkish Press are completely outraged ... The Turkish Foreign Minister said that these were acts of police remaining from the Facist times.

The whole incident started with Emre Asik extending his had to Batistuta who replied by punching Emre in the Stomach ... This was followed by swearing and exchanged blows from Lima to GS players - The GS Goalkeeping coach tried to help Lima towards the tunnel together with some Italian policemen ... Once Lima gets to the tunnel the GS goalkeeping coach turns to walk balk to the GS players and Capello grabs him from the hair (from behind) and pulls him. As he turns to Capello to see whats happening he is thrown to the ground by several Itilian police and kicked / beaten while he is on the floor!!! A couple of GS footballers go to him to help him up and are also hit several times by baton wielding policeman.

All of the above was recoreded on live TV!! No way to deny.

Following this the players went down to the tunnel and were beaten by several Italian Police with 4 GS players being injured (the TV caeras / photos only show after the event with the team players on the floor) ...

This is followed by a few more "punch ups in the tunnels / changing rooms but these are unconfirmed as all Turkish media had been rounded up and taken down to the local police station by this Time !!!

The police then refused to let Gala leave the changing rooms until Gala players gave up their passports they also confiscated cameras / film from the remaining Turkish press
and would not allow live coverage.

Then the police tried to force the UEFA officials to write their match report in the stadium with "police supervision"!!!

Thankfully the UEFA officials prosted the police, did not write their report or let them police take our players passports and after 2.5 hours of arguments our players managed to leave the stadium.

Thats it for the moment but new info is coming out by the minute ... the good new is that the UEFA official was closely involved in everything and seemed sympathetic to GS ... hopefully his report will reflect that ....

***************************

In terms of Liverpool losing out nobody wants that Liverpool were perfect gentleman in both games and as a Turk I thank you. Besides I think the chances of Roma getting thrown out altogether are 0 ... at the most they may get a couple of players banned for a game or two (after they have already played liverpool - how convienient) or lose a couple of points (probably only if they didn't qualify anyway) ..

[ttnbd]

http://www.soccernet.com/championsleague/news/2002/0314/20020314romeuefaprobe.html

brought forward to week 2moro

[fenerbahce]

Galatasaray players are as responsible as Roma players and police.

Gala played defence with 9 players in front of the penalty area. They always kick and insult to Roma players.At the end of the match Lima and Batistuta were normally very angry to Gala players. Lima played in Turkey before going Italia and know Turkish. I presumed that he understood the swears of Gala players. Also Emre clapped to the face of Batistuta during the match.

The relationship between Fenerbahce and the events is the delay of Gala's league match of this week and only 8 weeks remained to the final of Turkish league. This decison of Turkish Football Federation means again the demise of neutrality of the Federation, which was the problem of Turkey for maore tahn 5 years. Gala is not the rep of Turkish people. They only represent Gala fans. We hate that people due to their out of football tactics.

Beware of you Galatasaray virus that is encompassing the world football.

We hate you now, the world will hate you soon.      

[Hagi]

there they come again w/ the jealousy of seeing gala be successful against euro's greatest oh and with the pain and the suffering of getting 0 yes ZERO points in champions league,
sorry couldn't resist!

[fenerbahce]

Jealousy of what?, I do not understand that part

Jealousy of Canakkkale( all time defense)team?
Jealousy of kicking team?
Jealousy of insulting team?
Jealousy of the team of shit events?

Manchester, Leeds, Paris, Las Palmas tournament, Paris and lastly Roma events....

Are all of these coincidence?

These are the results of spoilt palyers of Football Federation which have lost its neutrality.

Don't be afraid of playing your league games?....Will Roma , Liverpool, or Barca delay their league games?

The world should get rid of Gala and shit events.

[Roger]

No punishment will affect the final table standings- just too controversial to deduct points etc.
Thats my thought!

[Pala]

: The incident is severed by Fabio Capello. It is obviously seen from the video highlights that Capello grabs the hair of Gala's trainer who tried to calm down the incident and pushes it inside the italian crowd. Gala's Trainer is severly hurt and right after the incident Capello asserted that he is not aware (!) of what happened tonite!...

Signor Capello, i advise you to pray to god for not having another opportunity to visit istanbul as a head coach since you are a football terrorist! Gala fans are waiting for you to give you a huge kiss (!)

Gala and Liverpool FC will both qualify hand in hand to the quarters.. AS Roma should be kicked off from euro cups!

[Anthony]

A couple of babelfished translations

http://www.raisport.rai.it/news/eventi/champleague/200203/14/3c90c81d00ff5/

Never like this time, e' of obligation to begin from the end: from those scenes from saloon of making west that they have flavored (if one may use the expression) the challenge of Champions between Rome and Galatasaray, one badly managed nervous game and from the contest director. And to the end, the unloaded tension e' in the most deplorable of the ways: still difficult to establish like and from who, it has been ignited the fuse.

The images [ that they are here ] have evidenced the romanista triggered Lima and then the square of the Galatasaray engaged in one crash opened with the police enforcements. E' grazed also the diplomatic incident, with the Turkish embassy that e' taken part in order to obtain the release of two players arrested from the police. But e' clearly that there will be also repercussions to sport level, with heavy disqualifications in arrival after the examination of the arbitral report and the television images.

The contest passes slowly nearly in second. A contest ended in balancing (1-1), but that the Rome would have had to win for assicurarsi the passage to the quarters final. Thus, instead, the conquered qualification andra' to Liverpool: to the giallorossi bastera' a balancing, English are obliged to win. Sara' a battle, but, for carita', we hope only sport...

http://calcio.datasport.it/leggi.asp?id=1134620

After the furious one rissa ended contest 1-1 bursts to the term of Rome-Galatasaray, the players of the Rome are escapes to groups from the spohgliatoi, and little of they had want to speak.
Lima one of the devout mental patients ( ) , then Emerson and Montella. Therefore Totti captain gone up on one van of the police.

The porter Francisco Antonioli , has tried to reconstruct the happened one: " the images speak clear: I have arrived for last and have seen a great chaos. Something gi. was begun in field. It is spoken so much about the Italian wills, and it is complained to us, but also in these cases it would have to stop the obstructionist attitude " . Then the extreme defender adds: " the police rather than difenderci pulled to us via " .

The word then to the forward giallorosso, Mark Delvecchio : " Lima has felt something " . The former ones of Bologna, understands the Turk having played also in Turkey in the previous years the Italian experience.
N. the 24 refer to the fact that the Brazilian understands the Turk. About the Galatasaray, only Fleurquin speaks instead . " E' be the police because it was only a squabble between players ". . " E' be the police " , still repeats with upsotten air.

The Rome , accommodating square, to this point even risks the disqualification to the field, inasmuch as gi. in passed the Uefa it has adopted the hard line for this type of facts.
All dovr. however to be examined, to be filmato comprised, and then they will make also text the relationship of the arbitrator (the Frisk Swede).

So there is talk of Roma being thrown out but, as I have said above, that would work against us. If Roma are expelled and the table based on the results between the other 3 then it currently stands as follows

Barca p3 5Pts
Gala p3 3Pts
LFC p4 3Pts

ie we will need Barca to beat Gala in order for us to qualify (at Gala's expense!)

[RobbyV]

First of all Hello!!

I am a Galatasaray fan but my difference is I am also an Italian   Let me tell you beforehand I do not support Lazio  

I was at Olimpico wednesday night and I witnessed everything as the other Gala friends who were there. The posts here includes everything that happened, even less than that. I, myself, was ashamed of the carabinieri's and AS Roma's behaviour. At least the policemen on the stands with us, did not follow he examples of their colleagues which saved a greater catastrophe.

I always supported Liverpool in England. And from the first day the draw was made I wanted Liverpool and Gala to qualify from this group. Now both teams have chances which could not be undermined. And hopefully both teams will take these chances, also after the incidents I witnessed I don't think Roma deserves to be in the competition anymore.

I want to add couple of words to this "fenerbahce" lad, please excuse me:

You simply make me  : I have never seen a person with such a great inferiority complex before. You have no idea what Galatasaray did for turkish football and for Turkey. Do not forget your lousy football in Champions' League and "0" points you took. You can even undermine and use this ugly incident in order to gain some ground. You better go see a shrink, you certainly need it.   :

[Anthony]

Welcome RobbieV!  : : :

Can you assist with how the Italian Media are reporting this? Naturally I expect it to be different from Aksel's reports from Turkey but are they making any other claims?

I've run a couple of reports through Babelfish above but they've turned out in their usual "unique" way!  

Once again welcome - which Italian Team *do* you support?

[RobbyV]

Thank you Antinky-Winky for your welcome  

I support AC Milan in Italy but compared to Gala it is just a sympathy   And we are not doing well since Mr. idiot Ancelotti took over.

As I returned to Istanbul right after the game I did not have any opportunity to get any italian newspapers but as I checked the internet and tv today Italian Media blamed Gala players, which did not surprise me at all. This is the common strategy ,ease the atmosphere a little then the mighty Italian football lobby will step in and save the day.

The consensus among the Italian media is Gala abused the players and then the police, and there are even some injured policemen Of course they do not provide any information on how Gala players inflict damage on fully vested and helmeted professional cops. Gala players are like Bruce Lee I guess.  

What bothers me most is the way Capello acted during the incident, I am really disappointed. He was my hero.

[Emile_Zola]

Sayin asagilik  

ULKEMIZ INSANI ORADA DAYAK YIYOR SEN GELMIS BURADA  BILE KONUSUYORSUN

Paris'te irkcilar saldiriyor onu bile savunuyorsun.

Sen antu'lu Semih degilmisin?Kesin osun.Baska birisi olamaz.
Yuh olsun sen degil FB'li INSAN bile olamazsin.

Paris'te benim teyzem bile darbe aldi.

Ne kadar asagilik olmussun sen.

[fenerbahce]

Mr. Emile Zola

I do not care about your warnings about police. Where were you when Fenerbahce fans were beaten by Antalya police?. Did we hear any support for our fans from Gala fans?..definitely you were laughing while looking at TV.

We, Fenerbahce fans, do not name you as Turk as soon as you benefit from these events for your own sake by cancelling your league matches.

You are defintely the cowardand the serefsiz( without honour) society the football has ever seen.

For ex.
1.Batista and Mondragon headed and elbowed their opponents and afterwards lied upon to the ground as if they were innocent.
2. You kicked and insulted Batistuta and Totti all game and now you tell here we are innocent.

The world could not see these events. But you believe me we definitely inform everyone about the shits that you emitted.

PS. 4 red cards of Gala at the match Fener- Gala. Dear English fans do you think that it is only a concidence?..
It is definitely not. If the Gala would not fix the refs, Gala could have finished with only 8 men on the pitch in our league.  

Ben Semih değilim kardeşim, Fenerbahce camiasında nice Semihler var, ondan biriyim.

Bana maval okuma sırf Trabzon macı ertelensin diye bu olayı bile bile kendi lehinize kullandınız serefsizler. Cıkın adam gibi topunuzu oynayın. Yok öyle değil bizim için Avrupa önemli diyorsanız Türkiye ligine girmeyin bir daha.

Serefsizlik had safhada. Lan Türkiye liglerinde millete küfür edip tahrik etmiyor musunuz. Sanki yılların serefsiz takımı gitmiş yerine masum Gala gelmiş Roma'ya. Siz kimi kandırıyorsunuz?...
 

One last comment 0 point hahaha, please mention about your progress in the CL , from the time of 1 goal to now.

[Emile_Zola]

 Benimle lan diye konusma.
Istenmedigin forumda durma.
Haydi Kosice forumuna ikile bakayim.

Turkiye'de seyirciniz deplasmana kilic ve bicaklarla gidiyor polis ne yapsin sizin serseri guruhuna.

[Andy M]

first point I dont know the UEFA regulations here but as far as I am aware it would be fairy standard to award us the points from the final game if Roma were diqualified which meant we would be looking for a Gala or Barca win.

[antifener]

Fenerbahce supporters should go to Kosice forum and complain how they missed the title of "being the worst team in CL league ever" by 2 goals. (Barcelona played with 8 players from reserve and youth team that is why they only beat Fenerbahce 1-0 )
As far as Galatasaray and Liverpool supporters concerned we are hoping to meet them again in the final in Scotland. They I am sure Liverpool will beat the shit out of Roma and we are used to beating Barcelona anyway so hand to hand we will go to quater finals.
Best regards to our Liverpool friends don't worry about Barselona as long as you take care of Roma
Sende Roma macını al gotune sok

[fenerbahce]

Lan Emile Zola ve antifener

ne serefsiz heriflersiniz, oynadığınız rezalet futbolla puan aldığınıza sevinmiyorsunuz, bi de lig erteletelim ayagına giriyorsunuz.

Adam mı oldunuz lan 2 yılda, kupadan önceki yıllar nerelerdeydiniz ezikliklerinizle bogusuyordunuz değil mi?

Please remember the time of your happiness whne you scored 84. minute of the last game.

hahahah
Barca had 8 reserve fotballers, please give their names here and your shit players.

Please remember our English friends your history against Fenerbahce matches. You progressed a little 2 won in last 5 years.  

Where is the basket?  

Don't cheat on our English friends.

GALA : The only team in Turkey that has a sinking sensation.

[Emile_Zola]

0 puan cekmissin hala konusuyorsun.
Turk futbolunda daha 2 tur gecememis rezil camianin 0 puanli ferdisin hala konusuyorsun

Bu forumda istenmiyorsun hala kene gibi yapismissin.

Hadeeeeeeeee  Kosice forumuna mars mars  :

FENERBAHCE=0 points in CL
FENERBAHCE<= 2 round in its entire history in European cups

People don't care about Fenerbahce why do you keep writing here,You have nothing to do with CL,
go to Taliban Mulla Omer's football forum ,they will be inetersted in your great football views    
HOSSTTT

[Steve C]

THIS IS A LIVERPOOL FC FORUM.

Other fans are welcome here, but not just to have a go at each other. If Gala and Fener fans want to slag each other off then kindly go to your own forums to do so.

If you want to discuss the Roma vs Gala (note: nothing to do with Fener) events of Wednesday then carry on. Any posts unrelated to these events will be removed.

[cain]

O.K. I think that if this happened at Ali Sami Yen or at Anfield both teams would be thrown out or penalised HEAVILY.
     I think UEFA offcials do not treat us as fair as other European teams for example in Italy, Spain, France, Germany e.t.c.
I was not suprised to see how quickly the Carabinieri could not wait to get stuck in with their "Sticks".They seem over eager to give "Foriegners" a "Slap" at the slightest excuse,the same goes for the Guardiola in Spain.
The police in this country are just the opposite and probably looked upon as a "soft touch" and no where near as hostile to foriegners.
  Hope to see you in the Final Galatasary!!!!

I think a lot of the UEFA beaurocrats would hate to see an English and a Turkish team at Hampden park !!!! :

[Pala]

those who want to have an idea about who started the fight may check out the link below... a new evidence ...!!!!!! picture is taken just right after the final whistle, Gabriel Batistuta punches Emre Asik who is there to shake his hand..

http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~1@nvid~105793,00.asp