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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1840 on: February 23, 2016, 06:56:30 pm »
:D

Thomas Muller has been spotted harassing his teammates at training with a megaphone.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1841 on: February 24, 2016, 10:17:41 am »
Messi in fact doesn't have a recognizable trait.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1842 on: February 24, 2016, 10:27:43 am »

A 63-year-old man, who previously spent thirteen years in prison, was arrested on Monday. In the 90s, he was called "the Broomstick Robber" and was convicted of
seventeen counts for bank robbery. Hostages were kept with bank doors held shut with a broomstick.

The new arrest comes after attempting to blackmail Bayern. He has sent letters containing threats and demanded millions in cash and diamonds.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1844 on: February 24, 2016, 11:10:12 am »
Surprised he didn't fall over from the added weight of the megaphone. Normally, it takes much less for him to go down as if he had been shot...

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1845 on: February 24, 2016, 11:38:50 am »
To turn the Pep not taking a challenging job thing on it's head. If big clubs are a such a gimme, why is the manager important at all?  Just give the manager's job to a lower level manager and save a few quid.  I'm sure if a mid-table manager like, say David Moyes, took over a group of league winners, they'd simply continue to win the league... oh...nevermind...

While Pep will have plenty of money to spend at City, he's not taking over a perfect squad in an easy league.  City won't be fighting relegation or having to work to a small budget, but the job presents it's own challenges. If he went to Stoke, his target would be a top 10 finish.  You go to a bigger team and the targets are higher.  At City he will be expected to win the league (probably in his first season) and the Champions League within three years.  While it should be easy enough to get that team in the top 4 every season, winning everything is a challenge. 

Why do we not say the same of players?  We were up in arms when we thought Suarez was going to transfer to Arsenal, because 'they're not much of a level above us,' yet were happy for him getting his Barcelona move. Staying here or going to Arsenal would've been more of a challenge, surely?

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1846 on: February 24, 2016, 12:07:43 pm »
I'm not sure what Pep ultimately wants to achieve? He won it all with Barca, but said he was burned out after a fairly short period with the club as manager. He then went to Bayern, but is again, leaving after a short period despite the club wanting to keep him (Barca did too)

Is he going to do the same at City? 2-3 years and then move on to Serie A? Nothing wrong with that I suppose, he's entitled to move on when he wants. I'm just wondering what it is he wants.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1847 on: February 24, 2016, 12:15:43 pm »
I watched Bayern's match with Juventus last night and the tempo, movement, pressing and intelligence of their play was outstanding- it was a really fantastic game. Juventus did well to live with them first half and then changed the game when Bayern tired and the Juventus subs made a difference (I thought Morata changed the game by allowing them to press with more men up the pitch and go more direct).

I think its obvious in Europe that the British teams are a real step below these teams technically and their on pitch intelligence/ tactics. What will be fascinating is to see how Guardiola and Klopp look to build teams again over the next two seasons and see if British clubs can compete with Bayern Munich, Juventus, PSG and maybe the Spanish clubs at the latter stages of the Champions League again. Hopefully it brings in a fundamental shift in the mindset of the league (especially the top teams) and focuses on bringing top talent in to well structured teams.

For all the excitement some people are seeing in the league this year, the quality has really declined since 2010. Some of it is player oriented, some a loss of truly exceptional managers (Rafa, Ferguson, Mourinho losing his way, Wenger stagnating)- you can see these issues being sorted in the next few years and may see some great Premier League teams built again over this period. Very good mangers with lots of money should bring some changes in the league and help compete in Europe.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1848 on: February 24, 2016, 06:56:47 pm »
Nice piece on Thomas Muller:

Thomas Müller: the modest assassin

Thomas Müller can’t beat you with his close ball control. He can’t beat you with his pace. And he can’t beat you with his dribbling skills. He just beats you

Germany fell in love with Thomas Müller on 27 June 2010 — the day of the memorable World Cup encounter between old rivals Germany and England. It was deep into the second half and the 21-year-old attacking midfielder, who a year earlier had been a regular for Bayern Munich reserves in the third division, coolly finished off a picture-book counterattack to make it 3-1. Three minutes later, England were hit on the break again. And again it was Müller who put the last pass away from close range for a 4-1 final.

But those goals weren’t the reason Germany fell in love with the young man. That happened after the game. Müller was on German television, flashing his goofy but endearing smile. At last, the interviewer congratulated him once more on an outstanding performance and indicated the player was now free to join the festivities in the dressing room.

“Can I say ‘Hi’ to someone?” Müller asked.

Startled and amused, the reporter said yes, sure. Trying to locate the camera, Müller said, “I just wanted to send greetings to my two grandmas and my grandpa. That’s long overdue.” Then he waved into the camera like an overjoyed schoolboy who’s just won a spelling contest and knows his grandparents will be proud of him.

Needless to say, the next day the phone in the village of Pähl, 25 miles south of Munich, rang off the hook. Finally, the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper got hold of 81-year-old Erna Burghart, one of Müller’s grandmas. She said she always lit a candle when Thomas played but had forgotten this time, which is why she was slightly surprised he’d scored nonetheless. Asked about the greetings on live television, she replied: “Nice, wasn’t it? Such a sweet boy.”

“I hadn’t planned this. I couldn’t, because I didn’t know I’d be scoring two goals and giving post-match interviews,” the sweet boy told Eight by Eight in an exclusive interview. Müller was relaxing in a hotel room in Frankfurt, where the national team had come together to prepare for a Euro 2016 qualifier in Dublin against the Republic of Ireland. “It was spontaneous. And I underestimated the whole thing. I had been part of the circus that is professional football for only one year and didn’t have much media experience. My grannies were besieged by the press. I just hadn’t considered that they might become the centre of attention because of all this.”

Müller’s gesture endeared him to the public. Amid the frenzy, the madness, and the parade of inflated egos in a massive global event like the World Cup, saying “hi” to your grannies seemed so, well, normal. And indeed today, five years and many trophies later, it’s still the first thing everyone remarks on when talk turns to Müller: He seems so normal. From his name – statistically the most common in Germany, which is why “Thomas Müller” is sometimes used to describe the ultimate average guy – right down to his looks.

Müller is the first to admit he has spindly legs and the sort of chest his former team-mate Bastian Schweinsteiger described as a “chicken breast”. His wife is not a model but an amateur dressage rider (and “a local girl,” as grandma Erna proudly told the press). Müller sports a nondescript hairdo and doesn’t have a single tattoo. When I asked him if there isn’t a lot of pressure in the dressing room to adopt the now-universal look, he said: “No, not at all. And even if there would be pressure, I’d be able to withstand it.” Then he added: “See, I just don’t give a lot of thought to these things. I just try not to pretend to be something I’m not.”

Even Müller’s game has the same earthy, no-nonsense quality to it. When Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi glide across the pitch and slither through defences with otherworldly grace, you marvel at their moves and feel honoured to be in the presence of such genius. When you watch Müller, you catch yourself thinking, I could probably do that too.

But of course you couldn’t. Hardly anyone can. That’s why Müller is one of the most valuable and coveted players in the world. Indeed, he might just be the most valuable of them all. It’s no secret that Manchester United have been targeting him.

In August, the British press speculated that they had made a £60m bid for his services. A few days later, Bayern’s chairman, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, confirmed his club had received “a very high offer”. In September, Germany’s Kicker magazine – usually a reliable and reputable source – said United had been prepared to part with a stunning £88m for Müller. If so, United were willing to break the world transfer record – for an enigma.

That’s what Müller is: perhaps the most enigmatic player in the international game. It’s plain that he’s brilliant: at 26, he’s won the World Cup and the Champions League and has finished fifth at the Ballon d’Or. He was the top goalscorer at the 2010 World Cup and the second best four years later. In the past three Bundesliga seasons, he either scored or set up 79 goals. When Louis van Gaal was at Bayern, he famously said: “In my team, Müller always plays.” And when Van Gaal then tried to lure the player to Old Trafford, Rummenigge rebuffed all advances by declaring that Müller was not for sale. “There are some players who do not come with a price tag,” Rummenigge said. “We’d be mad if we let Müller leave.”

Yet it’s nearly impossible to explain what makes Müller brilliant. “I know that I make technical mistakes from time to time,” he said. “It’s one of the aspects of my game that I’ve been working on for years. I think I’ve managed to reduce the number of those technical mistakes to a minimum, but occasionally they happen. On the other hand, I do have moments of technical brilliance.”

He pondered a moment, then added: “The players who tend to make the difference are often great dribblers. Some are very fast, others have a repertoire of moves and feints. These players need to have great technique in order to be good dribblers. But I’m not a good dribbler. One-on-one situations are not my strong suit. Consequently, people think I’m not a good technician when in fact my technique is better than I’m often given credit for.”

In other words, Müller can’t beat you with his close ball control, he can’t beat you with his pace, and he can’t beat you with his dribbling skills. He just beats you. And he does so in a way that recalls a legendary namesake, Gerd Müller. They didn’t call the older Müller an enigma, but they referred to him as a phantom, or the Ghost of the Penalty Box. Gerd Müller would suddenly materialise at the exact right spot to pounce on a loose ball, nudge home a rebound, or bundle the ball across the line with some limb or other.

Thomas Müller has that same puzzling ability. Two days after our talk, he demonstrated it. Twelve minutes from time and with Germany down a goal in Dublin, his team mounted an attack through the left inside channel. For some reason, Müller moved away from the penalty area when Toni Kroos played a through ball to Mesut Özil. It was only when Özil gave the ball to left back Jonas Hector on the flank that Müller turned and jogged back into the box. Hector went to the byline and pulled the ball back for Marco Reus, who inexplicably missed it. Along with six Irish defenders, who were all positioned around the goalmouth, Reus looked to see where Hector’s cross would land. It landed near the penalty spot. The only player standing there was Thomas Müller. Even though the Irish were putting every man behind the ball and had been closely guarding Müller all game, he was now unmarked, in the middle of the opposition’s box, with acres of space around him.

Amazingly, it was Müller himself who came up with a marvellous turn of phrase to describe what makes him special. “Ich bin ein Raumdeuter,” he told a newspaper a few years ago – “I’m an interpreter of space”. When I congratulated him on this inventive coinage, he chuckled. “It’s a nice term, you’re right,” he said. “I’m not sure if I’ve done myself a favour with it, though. Every good, successful player, especially an attacking player, has a well-developed sense of space and time. It’s not a phenomenon you only find in two or three people on earth. Every great striker knows it’s all about the timing between the person who plays the pass and the person making a run into the right zone. It’s nothing new.”

This is another parallel between the two Müllers. Since there seemed no logical explanation for Gerd’s tendency to be suddenly unmarked, even though every defence in the world knew he was the most dangerous man on the pitch, many people presumed he played instinctively. Germans call this having a Torriecher – a nose for the goal, like an animal picking up a scent. Gerd slightly resented this explanation because it ignored not only the countless hours of work he put in (he even loved to go between the sticks during training to better understand how a goalkeeper thinks) but also the rest of the team. It’s the same with Thomas.

“No matter in which walk of life, man always needs an explanation,” Müller said. “He wants to understand things. Often he comes up with a very simple explanation and says it’s all because of a certain talent or maybe even chance. But sometimes what happens is the product of an elaborate move involving many players. When you make a run, you don’t always do it for yourself. Often you do it to open the door for a team-mate. If you look at basketball, this is a key element: three players create the space for one to shoot. In football, this is often underrated.”

Müller illustrated this with his opening goal in Germany’s fabled 7-1 rout of Brazil at the 2014 World Cup. We first discussed this goal last November; now he returned to the question I had back then: how could a lethal forward like him be this unmarked a few yards in front of goal following a corner? “I’m sure people watching at home threw their hands up and cried, How can the Brazilians not mark him?” Müller said. “Of course, at the end I was unmarked. But if you watch replays, you’ll see that Miro Klose and I were initially both closely marked. But then we made runs in opposite directions. We were basically exchanging positions. Our markers followed us and one of them got stuck in the goalmouth traffic. This happens.”

Perhaps the greatest testament to Müller’s unique talents is that Pep Guardiola, the high priest of ball circulation, goes along with Van Gaal’s famous dictum that “Müller always plays”. When the Catalan signed for Bayern, some wondered if the two would get along. After all, in an interview a few years back, Müller characterised himself as a player who “isn’t so much involved in the buildup and doesn’t have many touches of the ball.” This sounded unlike the kind of football Guardiola loves, but Müller didn’t lose sleep. “No, I wasn’t really worried,” he said. “In football, and especially at Bayern, it’s ultimately all about performance. If you do well during training and perform during the games, you will play. If you don’t, you won’t. When I heard that Guardiola would come in, I didn’t think about my future, I was just excited and curious.”

One day, of course, he will have to think about his future. In October, a fairly innocuous Müller remark – “Of course, the wages that are being paid in the Premier League are very tempting, it would be hypocrisy to deny that” – triggered another round of reports that he might be bound for Old Trafford. It would be a major move, because Müller’s roots are firmly in the Munich area. His grandma Erna once said that her late husband, who died before Müller was born, must have passed on his love for Bayern from above. Müller says he knows all the old family stories, of how this grandpa, terminally ill, said on the day before his death, “Just let me watch Bayern one more time on television.” Almost inevitably, Müller grew up a Bayern fan, slept in club-coloured covers, and went to games at the Olympic Stadium with his cousins, who had season tickets, before he was 10. (His favourite player was Giovane Elber, Bayern’s Brazilian striker.)

But he’s also a professional and highly competitive. And as much as he might joke about his spindly legs and his lack of dribbling skills, he knows that his blatantly obvious but deeply mysterious qualities are few and far between in the modern game. Now that the big teams increasingly find themselves up against sides that play very deep and leave them next to no space in the final third, having someone who can interpret this space so well as to be suddenly unmarked is priceless.

In Dublin, Müller had his eyes on the ball as Hector’s cross whizzed past friend and foe. He met it first-time, with the inside of his right foot. For a fraction of a second, the Aviva Stadium on Lansdowne Road seemed to fall silent. Everybody, German and Irish, held their breath and followed the flight of the ball. It went wide of the left-hand post by less than an inch.

Müller sank to his knees and buried his head in his hands. He is, after all, a normal guy.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/23/thomas-muller-modest-assassin-bayern-munich-germany
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1849 on: February 24, 2016, 07:29:53 pm »
I watched Bayern's match with Juventus last night and the tempo, movement, pressing and intelligence of their play was outstanding- it was a really fantastic game. Juventus did well to live with them first half and then changed the game when Bayern tired and the Juventus subs made a difference (I thought Morata changed the game by allowing them to press with more men up the pitch and go more direct).

I think its obvious in Europe that the British teams are a real step below these teams technically and their on pitch intelligence/ tactics. What will be fascinating is to see how Guardiola and Klopp look to build teams again over the next two seasons and see if British clubs can compete with Bayern Munich, Juventus, PSG and maybe the Spanish clubs at the latter stages of the Champions League again. Hopefully it brings in a fundamental shift in the mindset of the league (especially the top teams) and focuses on bringing top talent in to well structured teams.

For all the excitement some people are seeing in the league this year, the quality has really declined since 2010. Some of it is player oriented, some a loss of truly exceptional managers (Rafa, Ferguson, Mourinho losing his way, Wenger stagnating)- you can see these issues being sorted in the next few years and may see some great Premier League teams built again over this period. Very good mangers with lots of money should bring some changes in the league and help compete in Europe.

Juve was utterly dominated in the first half and it should have been 2 or 3:0

In the second half, they upped the tempo a lot, started getting aggressive in tackles and at times nasty - and got back in the game.  Let's not forget Bayern had no central defenders, Kimich and Alaba were playing CB's. 

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1850 on: February 24, 2016, 07:37:20 pm »
Nice piece on Thomas Muller:

Thomas Müller: the modest assassin


He is among the three best German players of all time.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1851 on: February 24, 2016, 07:44:14 pm »
He is among the three best German players of all time.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1852 on: February 24, 2016, 07:45:20 pm »
He is among the three best German players of all time.

Yeah not even close.

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« Reply #1853 on: February 24, 2016, 07:55:39 pm »
Yeah not even close.
:o  :D oh yes he is. Beckenbauer, Gerd, Matthaus. He's just outside the top 3

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1854 on: February 24, 2016, 08:04:42 pm »
:o  :D oh yes he is. Beckenbauer, Gerd, Matthaus. He's just outside the top 3

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1855 on: February 24, 2016, 08:06:53 pm »
Great team but only 10 players?

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1857 on: February 24, 2016, 08:09:48 pm »
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Okay, you were a player short. So Thomas can get in then..... ;D

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1858 on: February 24, 2016, 08:10:05 pm »
He forgot Klose... ;)

Hmmm for Germany yes, for his club not so much.

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« Reply #1859 on: February 24, 2016, 08:12:24 pm »
Okay, you were a player short. So Thomas can get in then..... ;D

Muller is certainly up there but i'd put him just inside the top 10. So probably include him, just not in the top 3 ;)

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1860 on: March 5, 2016, 03:54:53 am »
I hope Dortmund do Pep's Bayern Munich

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1861 on: March 7, 2016, 12:54:53 pm »
I hope Dortmund do Pep's Bayern Munich

It was a really good game 

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1862 on: March 7, 2016, 12:56:33 pm »
It was a really good game

Was actually disappointed in Dortmund, they were tepid bordering on cowardly. A point to them was of as much use as a heavy defeat (they're not overhauling a 5 point deficit), but they didn't go for it at all in the last half an hour. They seemed more worried about not losing instead of winning which was just stupid. High quality but low on intent, Bayern will be delighted with the result.

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« Reply #1863 on: March 7, 2016, 01:17:08 pm »
Was actually disappointed in Dortmund, they were tepid bordering on cowardly. A point to them was of as much use as a heavy defeat (they're not overhauling a 5 point deficit), but they didn't go for it at all in the last half an hour. They seemed more worried about not losing instead of winning which was just stupid. High quality but low on intent, Bayern will be delighted with the result.

That's the probably the biggest difference between Klopp's Dortmund and Tuchel's. The latter is maybe tactically superior at times, but they just don't go for it against better sides. They played with the same tepidness in Munich earlier this season.

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« Reply #1864 on: March 7, 2016, 01:23:35 pm »
That's the probably the biggest difference between Klopp's Dortmund and Tuchel's. The latter is maybe tactically superior at times, but they just don't go for it against better sides. They played with the same tepidness in Munich earlier this season.

Think Tuchel's team are better against the weaker teams but will be less effective against the cream of Europe's crop. Was just desperate for them to throw caution to the wind, he even took Reus off. Now I know Reus was desperately poor but he's a player capable of winning the game. He brought Ramos on who I think is really not very good. If you'd offered Bayern a 0-0 before the game kicked off they'd have bitten your hand off.

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« Reply #1865 on: March 7, 2016, 09:15:13 pm »
What the fuck was he doing to Kimmich at the end of the game? Man of the match by far and he gave him a right bollocking.

I imagine the likes of Otamendi and Mangala will be getting similar treatment next season.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1866 on: March 7, 2016, 09:31:44 pm »
What the fuck was he doing to Kimmich at the end of the game? Man of the match by far and he gave him a right bollocking.

I imagine the likes of Otamendi and Mangala will be getting similar treatment next season.
It wasn't a bollocking at all. He was telling him something.

Actually, you have to admire Pep. He is leaving in 3-4 months, but he still cares about players' education. Young player's education, who in fact may be on the bench if the first team defenders are back fit. Emotional coach. It will be a sharp change from Pellegrini who seems to be dozing off on the bench half the time.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1867 on: March 8, 2016, 02:36:27 am »
No wonder he can't stay in the same place for more than a few seasons.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1868 on: May 3, 2016, 10:05:32 pm »
Heyneckses Bayern was better, more clinical and varied.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1869 on: May 3, 2016, 10:06:45 pm »
What a failure.

Heyneckses Bayern was better, more clinical and varied.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1870 on: May 3, 2016, 10:07:59 pm »
Carlo will have them better next season playing a more rigid formation week in week out.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1871 on: May 3, 2016, 10:07:59 pm »
Hard to quantify his time at Bayern as a full on success, that's for sure. Probably not a complete failure as they didn't lose out on any Bundesligas but he's not performed above expectations, it's all been a bit meh really.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1872 on: May 3, 2016, 10:09:53 pm »
Heyneckses Bayern was better, more clinical and varied.

Shows you just how to Klopp's Dortmund was. 3 years running knocked out by one of Spain's big 3 in a semi final for Pep.

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1873 on: May 3, 2016, 10:12:02 pm »
It's kinda like when some of us call Wenger a failure but I would have minded that kind of failure over the past 5-6 years.

I guess it has been a bit of a failure for Pep because they didnt even reach a Final. Odds are that they will have lost to the eventual winner each time though but yeah, I thought he would win at least one.

3 straight titles and maybe 2 doubles isn't to be tossed aside though. Especially this year when you look at the Dortmund points total.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1874 on: May 3, 2016, 10:12:32 pm »
On to the bitters now is he  ::).

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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1875 on: May 3, 2016, 10:13:30 pm »
Wouldnt say his spell at Bayern is a failure, more like sub-par as the expectations were set at the maximum when he came in. He signed some very good players which will be useful for Ancelotti and the change of the old guard can go on seamlessly.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1876 on: May 3, 2016, 10:14:19 pm »
I think he's finished level par for his 3 rounds at Bayern.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1877 on: May 3, 2016, 10:19:46 pm »
I think he's finished level par for his 3 rounds at Bayern.
about right. He did what was expected but didn't get the trophy that he needed to be seen as a success. He's also not the most popular with the fans compared to others that have managed them.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1878 on: May 3, 2016, 10:20:11 pm »
Hard to quantify his time at Bayern as a full on success, that's for sure. Probably not a complete failure as they didn't lose out on any Bundesligas but he's not performed above expectations, it's all been a bit meh really.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, maybe I'd give him a little more credit than most. He was always on a hiding to nothing following that treble winning side because it's a bloody difficult thing to do, that's why it rarely gets done. Regardless, I suspect his time at Bayern won't be seen as anything other than adequate at best which IMO is slightly unfair but I can understand it and he did ultimately fall short in the biggest competition. I personally like him as a coach, he's interesting and different and is still a pretty successful one. Whether or not he'll reach the heights of that Barcelona team I'm not sure - he did have some legendary players and it seems like a coach's life span at the top these days is around a decade - but it'll be interesting to see him at work more closely. Though I still hope he fails miserably at Man City.
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Re: Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich
« Reply #1879 on: May 3, 2016, 10:24:36 pm »
Yeah, I'd agree with that, maybe I'd give him a little more credit than most. He was always on a hiding to nothing following that treble winning side because it's a bloody difficult thing to do, that's why it rarely gets done. Regardless, I suspect his time at Bayern won't be seen as anything other than adequate at best which IMO is slightly unfair but I can understand it and he did ultimately fall short in the biggest competition. I personally like him as a coach, he's interesting and different and is still a pretty successful one. Whether or not he'll reach the heights of that Barcelona team I'm not sure - he did have some legendary players and it seems like a coach's life span at the top these days is around a decade - but it'll be interesting to see him at work more closely. Though I still hope he fails miserably at Man City.

Think you've summed it up fairly there, while he's not done that well in the Champions League he's still leaving a team packed full of quality with a good base to work from. Ancelotti just needs to tweak a few things, it's not like he's a huge job on his hands. The Bayern fans never really took to him though I don't think, he's always seemed a bit unfancied for whatever reason.