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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #120 on: June 15, 2019, 11:03:15 pm »
He is winning a second term anyway.

He's polling well behind in the swing states that he needs, by upto 17pts against Biden, the rustbelt states he promised the world and to has delivered absolutely fuck all. Not to mention the mauling he got in the midterms. His ducks aligned in 2016, not happening again.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #121 on: June 15, 2019, 11:20:04 pm »
If the US reelect trump then honestly they can get fucked.

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« Reply #122 on: June 16, 2019, 09:57:19 am »
2nd in Nevada too. However, she would be an absolute gift to Trump if she somehow won the nomination. Sanders would be a much, much stronger general election candidate.

Although if either of them won the nomination, Trump wins a second term.

I disagree. She'd be a smart woman focused on kitchen table issues up against the opposite. I don't think the business community would be as put off by her as people think. She is a Harvard law prof specialising in bankruptcy laws. She would not be naive about the economy. I don't think she would be such a disaster.

It depends on how she develops as a candidate over the Dem campaign. She has potential.

Bernie's time has past. It would be one ranting old man against another. The other downside is that he is familiar and people know who he is. The Dems have adopted some of his big issues, but he is not the front-runner. That says it all right there.
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #123 on: June 16, 2019, 09:59:15 am »
He's polling well behind in the swing states that he needs, by upto 17pts against Biden, the rustbelt states he promised the world and to has delivered absolutely fuck all. Not to mention the mauling he got in the midterms. His ducks aligned in 2016, not happening again.

Agree. The Iran thing is evidence of one thing...he fears going into an election with his record.
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #124 on: June 16, 2019, 12:08:55 pm »
Bernie's time has past. It would be one ranting old man against another. The other downside is that he is familiar and people know who he is. The Dems have adopted some of his big issues, but he is not the front-runner. That says it all right there.
thing is as good as she’s been she is also near 70

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« Reply #125 on: June 16, 2019, 02:04:04 pm »
thing is as good as she’s been she is also near 70

True. But Biden is older and looks it. Warren is energetic. Imagine her calling Trump "low energy Donny. :)

I am surprised that despite big cash and media darling status that Harris hasn't caught on more.
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« Reply #126 on: June 16, 2019, 04:36:09 pm »
I disagree. She'd be a smart woman focused on kitchen table issues up against the opposite. I don't think the business community would be as put off by her as people think. She is a Harvard law prof specialising in bankruptcy laws. She would not be naive about the economy. I don't think she would be such a disaster.

It depends on how she develops as a candidate over the Dem campaign. She has potential.

Bernie's time has past. It would be one ranting old man against another. The other downside is that he is familiar and people know who he is. The Dems have adopted some of his big issues, but he is not the front-runner. That says it all right there.

But Trump will say mean things about her and she has no chance of winning, or whatever it was people said about Bernie.
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« Reply #127 on: June 16, 2019, 06:52:04 pm »
True. But Biden is older and looks it. Warren is energetic. Imagine her calling Trump "low energy Donny. :)

I am surprised that despite big cash and media darling status that Harris hasn't caught on more.

Probably a good thing. It's one year to go before you need to be the one everyone talks about. Now it's all about staying in the race.

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« Reply #128 on: June 16, 2019, 07:05:08 pm »
Fareed Zakaria had an excellent interview with Nancy Pelosi today in front of a live audience. She gave some insights into her take on Trump and she was asked to give advice on those Dems running for president. Trump fears this woman and she knows it.

Her interview starts at around the 13 minute mark.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #129 on: June 16, 2019, 07:32:03 pm »
Probably a good thing. It's one year to go before you need to be the one everyone talks about. Now it's all about staying in the race.

Ya, there could be some to and fro for a while. That should keep Donny guessing and will allow the eventual winner to develop a message in harmony with the rest of the party. The wide range of candidates and possibly longer period to cut the field to 2-3 candidates may be a blessing.
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #130 on: June 16, 2019, 09:16:00 pm »
True. But Biden is older and looks it. Warren is energetic. Imagine her calling Trump "low energy Donny. :)

I am surprised that despite big cash and media darling status that Harris hasn't caught on more.
good point on her energy, but it’s not now you need to peak it’s next year

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« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2019, 02:20:30 am »
good point on her energy, but it’s not now you need to peak it’s next year

But her energy is what is building her numbers. It ain't money. It's not TV. It's plenty of town halls.
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« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2019, 02:38:02 am »
Watching the first part of tonight's debate and Warren is hitting it out of the park. Her answers are all ground floor.
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« Reply #133 on: June 27, 2019, 01:32:16 pm »
Very interesting the hate sanders gets in here, but good old Joe gets a massive pass. I don’t even want speak about his record, ask your self why did trump get elected. Just elected joe and your get your answer.

I keep trying to find the answer to why people voted for brexit and I just have to look at few replies in here to see the answer. Take out this racist people and you have people who been left behind, Joe offers nothing new, still wants student to have massive loans. Still wants people dying or loosing their homes over health care.

Jesus Christ the guy is doing fundraising from rich republicans donors.....but don’t worry he really tricking them going look out for middle class and poor.  :wave :wave
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #134 on: June 27, 2019, 01:55:43 pm »
errrr wut?
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #135 on: June 27, 2019, 02:00:40 pm »
Very interesting the hate sanders gets in here, but good old Joe gets a massive pass. I don’t even want speak about his record, ask your self why did trump get elected. Just elected joe and your get your answer.

I keep trying to find the answer to why people voted for brexit and I just have to look at few replies in here to see the answer. Take out this racist people and you have people who been left behind, Joe offers nothing new, still wants student to have massive loans. Still wants people dying or loosing their homes over health care.

Jesus Christ the guy is doing fundraising from rich republicans donors.....but don’t worry he really tricking them going look out for middle class and poor.  :wave :wave

Just done a quick search for 'Biden' in all 4 pages of this thread and there is only one poster supporting Biden. Plenty of people saying they think it will be him that wins the nomination, but that is not support for him.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #136 on: June 27, 2019, 02:21:24 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.

The only chance you have of beating him is by matching the level of hysteria he generates, by creating a movement of your own. That's what Obama did in 2008. I have yet to see anything from the serious contenders that suggests they're even remotely capable of that, they're just more of the same. Personality is key in election season and yet this group look like the sort of people you'd cast as generic American politicians in a Netflix drama.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #137 on: June 27, 2019, 02:27:29 pm »
If the US reelect trump then honestly they can get fucked.

so far it is a walk in the park for Trump to win.  And he can add a few ridiculous tweets or grab something inapproriate before

Democrats are hoping voters understand their language but they will wait until chicken have teeth

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #138 on: June 27, 2019, 03:00:39 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.

The only chance you have of beating him is by matching the level of hysteria he generates, by creating a movement of your own. That's what Obama did in 2008. I have yet to see anything from the serious contenders that suggests they're even remotely capable of that, they're just more of the same. Personality is key in election season and yet this group look like the sort of people you'd cast as generic American politicians in a Netflix drama.

There's still a long way to go before the election. No-one knows what the situation will be like then. At this time the last election, no-one thought Trump would win.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #139 on: June 27, 2019, 03:39:48 pm »
Google is being odd when I search 'universal basic income'. I either get no results or one negative result. Is it just me?

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« Reply #140 on: June 27, 2019, 03:40:18 pm »
Google is being odd when I search 'universal basic income'. I either get no results or one negative result. Is it just me?

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« Reply #141 on: June 27, 2019, 03:43:08 pm »
Amazing the effect that Bernie has had on the Dem debate. Even if he doesn't win the nomination, he has dragged that party into a progressive direction. Some relief after the bullshit third way that Clinton was trying to sell (and yes I don't need to be told that she is better than Trump, everyone is better than Trump, doesn't mean Clinton wasn't a horrible candidate with horrible policies that were just a watered down version of the crap that the Republicans were selling).
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #142 on: June 27, 2019, 03:55:15 pm »
If the US reelect trump then honestly they can get fucked.

I can already tell you we will.
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« Reply #143 on: June 27, 2019, 03:56:12 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.

The only chance you have of beating him is by matching the level of hysteria he generates, by creating a movement of your own. That's what Obama did in 2008. I have yet to see anything from the serious contenders that suggests they're even remotely capable of that, they're just more of the same. Personality is key in election season and yet this group look like the sort of people you'd cast as generic American politicians in a Netflix drama.

Warren is the only candidate I can see doing that. Biden and Sanders certainly won't though.
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« Reply #144 on: June 27, 2019, 03:57:26 pm »
79 million results for me....

Weird, I only get the Joseph Rowntree Foundation telling me it's shite.

Anyway...Andrew Yang. What's the downside on this guy? I've been barely following the primaries as I'm depressed enough by UK politics, but Yang has slipped through my net via a couple of podcasts. He sounds very convincing. Why is he not gathering more momentum?

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« Reply #145 on: June 27, 2019, 03:57:44 pm »
Warren is the only candidate I can see doing that. Biden and Sanders certainly won't though.

Yeah Bernie has no following at all, and no movement behind him.
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« Reply #146 on: June 27, 2019, 04:12:03 pm »

Anyway...Andrew Yang. What's the downside on this guy? I've been barely following the primaries as I'm depressed enough by UK politics, but Yang has slipped through my net via a couple of podcasts. He sounds very convincing. Why is he not gathering more momentum?

Run for at least one office before thinking that you should be President.  There's a shit-ton of local and statewide races that you can enter.  Don't duplicate Trump's path.
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« Reply #147 on: June 27, 2019, 04:17:50 pm »
Run for at least one office before thinking that you should be President.  There's a shit-ton of local and statewide races that you can enter.  Don't duplicate Trump's path.

Ah, right, I hadn't even noticed that glaring omission. Sounds like he should go off and be a governor somewhere and then come back when he has a record to run on. I hope he has at least got people talking about some important issues.

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« Reply #148 on: June 27, 2019, 04:27:43 pm »
Very interesting the hate sanders gets in here, but good old Joe gets a massive pass. I don’t even want speak about his record, ask your self why did trump get elected. Just elected joe and your get your answer.

I keep trying to find the answer to why people voted for brexit and I just have to look at few replies in here to see the answer. Take out this racist people and you have people who been left behind, Joe offers nothing new, still wants student to have massive loans. Still wants people dying or loosing their homes over health care.

Jesus Christ the guy is doing fundraising from rich republicans donors.....but don’t worry he really tricking them going look out for middle class and poor.  :wave :wave



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On March 22, 2017, Biden referred to the Republican healthcare bill as a "tax bill" meant to transfer nearly US$1 trillion used for health benefits for the lower classes to wealthy Americans during his first appearance on Capitol Hill since Trump's inauguration.[351] On May 4, after the House of Representatives narrowly voted for the American Health Care Act, Biden tweeted that it was a "Day of shame for Congress", lamenting the loss of pre-existing condition protections.[352] On June 24, in response to Senate Republicans revealing an American Health Care Act draft the previous day, Biden tweeted that the bill "isn't about health care at all—it's a wealth transfer: slashes care to fund tax cuts for the wealthy & corporations".[353] On July 28, in response to the Republican Senate healthcare bill falling through, Biden tweeted, "Thank you to everyone who tirelessly worked to protect the healthcare of millions."


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Biden campaign weighs in on health care ahead of Democratic debate appearance


Joe Biden wasn't in Wednesday night's debate, but he wanted a turn to answer a question on health care.

After a question was posed on health care, Biden's campaign immediately replied with the former vice president's position on the issue.

"Let's be clear: We shouldn't tear the Affordable Care Act down: We should build on it," the tweet said on the "Team Joe" account. "The Biden administration will give every American the right to choose a public option like Medicare to ensure everyone has access to the quality, affordable health care they deserve."
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #149 on: June 27, 2019, 04:32:34 pm »
Ah, right, I hadn't even noticed that glaring omission. Sounds like he should go off and be a governor somewhere and then come back when he has a record to run on. I hope he has at least got people talking about some important issues.

I mean, he's a New Yorker, and everyone hates Bill Di Blasio. Primary him and you'd have a good chance to be Mayor and do stuff. Or Governor, or whatever.

I'm sorta pissed off that a lot of the people running have a much better chance of running for Senate/governor and have little chance of being president. Joaquin Castro (or is it Julian? Whichever of the twins anyway) passed up a chance to challenge John Cornyn for what would be a vitally important senate seat in Texas instead of this vanity run.
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« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2019, 04:51:35 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.


Way too much time between now and the election to say something like that.
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« Reply #152 on: June 27, 2019, 09:59:15 pm »
Way too much time between now and the election to say something like that.

Yeah, I mean there are loads of scandals that could come to light or something he could say that will definitely affect his popularity....

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« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2019, 10:11:32 pm »
Yeah, I mean there are loads of scandals that could come to light or something he could say that will definitely affect his popularity....

You will never get to Trump's base, just like he won't get to the core of the Democrats. But things can still happen that could swing neutral voters over to the Democrats.

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« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2019, 10:53:45 pm »
You will never get to Trump's base, just like he won't get to the core of the Democrats. But things can still happen that could swing neutral voters over to the Democrats.

He has been racist, sexist, boasted about assaulting women, liked the far right, attacked the disabled, split up families on the border, attacked his own country and praised foreign leaders. Thats just for starters.

There is no way neutral voters will move away from Trump because you cannot be neutral if you ever voted for him in the first place.

He is easy money to get a second term which is why I have placed a sizeable bet for that to happen.

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« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2019, 10:55:43 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.

The only chance you have of beating him is by matching the level of hysteria he generates, by creating a movement of your own. That's what Obama did in 2008. I have yet to see anything from the serious contenders that suggests they're even remotely capable of that, they're just more of the same. Personality is key in election season and yet this group look like the sort of people you'd cast as generic American politicians in a Netflix drama.

I know it's tempting to resort to this kind of pessimism, but it's way too simplistic to just assume he'll win again just because he seems to keep getting away with stuff. He actually has to get enough votes, in enough states, to win. And he only just scraped that last time, even with so many things in his favour.

Every election is different. No-one would've thought in 2004 after Bush got re-elected, that four years later America would elect their first black President. It took a long time for the public to finally get fed up of the incompetence, corruption and lies of the Bush administration - Trump has got there already. A lot of people are just fed up with the whole thing. He's going to use the same hysterical, angry schtick that he did in 2016, but it's already old. He's so dumb he's just literally going to repeat the same stuff, assuming it'll work. Most people don't want to hear about Hillary's emails anymore, they want to know what he's actually going to do. His whole act is just not a novelty anymore, and the idea of electing an 'outsider' is simply not as exciting as it was three years ago. People have seen where it leads.

Despite the limitations of Hillary as a candidate, despite the novelty factor he had back then, despite the anti-establishment trend that was still new at the time, and back when people thought he would be more serious once in office, he still couldn't manage to get as many votes as his opponent. Now that he has demonstrated his utter incompetence and has failed to deliver on any of the promises he made to working class voters in the swing states, I just don't see how the votes will be there for him. Independents who voted for him as something different are not going to have the same enthusiasm, Democrat-leaning voters who didn't turn out because they assumed Hillary would win, or were unhappy that Bernie didn't get the nomination, will not be sitting this one out. The demographic trend is towards the Democrats, and they're making a big push to get people registered to vote, especially young people. He's not going to be winning any new states, and I don't see how he can maintain the same support he had in the swing states - you have to remember he won several of them by very small margins. His base makes a lot of noise, but they are not big enough on their own to get him re-elected.

I don't believe the Democrats need a movement as big or as historic as the one for Obama, but I do agree they need a strong candidate with a clear identity to offer a real alternative to Trump. Of the older candidates I'd go for Warren, but if they go younger I think it'd have to be Harris or Buttigieg. I know people say they don't want a 'career politician', but if you have someone who has clear, practical plans to address their problems, and can deliver them in a convincing way, they will get votes. Obama was not an 'outsider', but people believed in him and voted for him. Yes there was a lot of hype around his race, but it wasn't hysteria that got him elected - he seemed like a decent, honest person with actual ideas. Trump's act is all hysteria and anger and mockery, but it's already blown itself out. People are getting bored of it.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2019, 11:19:28 pm »
He has been racist, sexist, boasted about assaulting women, liked the far right, attacked the disabled, split up families on the border, attacked his own country and praised foreign leaders. Thats just for starters.

There is no way neutral voters will move away from Trump because you cannot be neutral if you ever voted for him in the first place.

He is easy money to get a second term which is why I have placed a sizeable bet for that to happen.

That makes absolutely no sense. Obviously someone who votes a particular way in an election is not neutral in that particular election, but that doesn't mean they will always vote the same way... that's why they identify as 'independents'. That's how you win elections in the US: make sure you get your base to turn out, and attract enough independents. People who voted for Bush Jr also voted for Obama; people who voted for Obama also voted for Trump. Some people were willing to overlook his personal behaviour before he got into office because they thought he could at least deliver results. Now they've seen that he can't. And their only chance so far to deliver their verdict on that, and his further appalling behaviour since he took office, was the mid-term elections, where the Republicans got battered.

Floating voters will move away from Trump (even if they don't vote Democrat and just don't turn out) because there's just nothing to keep them with him - he can't deliver anything to help them and the attraction and novelty of voting for an outsider just isn't there anymore.  Especially if he takes away their healthcare. And people who didn't bother voting last time because they weren't fond of Hillary or assumed she would win, will not be making the same mistake this time.

I know it's tempting to take the pessimistic view, but you have to look at how he is actually, in practical terms, going to get the votes to win. In 2016, he won Florida by 1.3%, Pennsylvania by 1.2%, Michigan by 0.3%, Wisconsin by 1%. How is he going to hold onto all those states? With a better Democratic candidate, less voter apathy, a massive increase in voter registration amongst young people, together with Trump's failure to deliver anything for working class people and his 'outsider' schtick no longer being a novelty,  I just don't see how he does it. Everything aligned and fell into place for him in 2016, things are very different now.
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #157 on: June 27, 2019, 11:33:18 pm »
Very interesting the hate sanders gets in here, but good old Joe gets a massive pass. I don’t even want speak about his record, ask your self why did trump get elected. Just elected joe and your get your answer.

I keep trying to find the answer to why people voted for brexit and I just have to look at few replies in here to see the answer. Take out this racist people and you have people who been left behind, Joe offers nothing new, still wants student to have massive loans. Still wants people dying or loosing their homes over health care.

Jesus Christ the guy is doing fundraising from rich republicans donors.....but don’t worry he really tricking them going look out for middle class and poor.  :wave :wave

It's early. Joe has lots of ground to make up. He does not have momentum...and name recognition will only last for so long.




   Anthony DeRosa🗽 (@Anthony)
2019-06-27, 10:43 AM
Polling at this point in GOP race in 2015:

Jeb Bush 22%
Scott Walker 17%
Marco Rubio 14%
Ben Carson 11%
Mike Huckabee 9%
Rand Paul 7%
Rick Perry 5%
Ted Cruz 4%
Chris Christie 4%
Carly Fiorina 2%
Donald Trump 1%

Anyone who thinks they know anything right now is delusional.
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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #158 on: June 27, 2019, 11:33:33 pm »
He has been racist, sexist, boasted about assaulting women, liked the far right, attacked the disabled, split up families on the border, attacked his own country and praised foreign leaders. Thats just for starters.

There is no way neutral voters will move away from Trump because you cannot be neutral if you ever voted for him in the first place.

He is easy money to get a second term which is why I have placed a sizeable bet for that to happen.

I hope you are wrong. I don't mind you winning money, but I really dislike Trump and hope he's kicked out asap.

It's too early to tell if any of the Democrats will become a real threat. But I suspect that things may well catch up with Trump. I have no problem to understand why people went for him over Clinton. This time there is no Clinton and no Bush. Trump causes conflict everywhere. He makes enemies faster than he makes friends. That could cause neutrals to abandon him.

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Re: US 2020 Election - Primary Season
« Reply #159 on: June 27, 2019, 11:36:47 pm »
Trump will win again. It keeps getting more and more obvious.

The only chance you have of beating him is by matching the level of hysteria he generates, by creating a movement of your own. That's what Obama did in 2008. I have yet to see anything from the serious contenders that suggests they're even remotely capable of that, they're just more of the same. Personality is key in election season and yet this group look like the sort of people you'd cast as generic American politicians in a Netflix drama.

Elizabeth Warren is a populist. There is a reason that Trump tried to frame her much much earlier than Biden...he fears her.
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