Topic: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges

[swoopy]

Let’s face it, if Abu Dhabi are not very severely punished then the game is absolutely dead. If they are let off again then the oil cartel clubs will take complete control of English football. We are already seeing Saudi take control of FIFA, with them or Abu Dhabi will very soon completely own the game in this country. Unless they are stopped now. This case really is a battle for the future of competitive football in this country.

I literally was chatting to someone about this last night. Made a statement that if the cheating isn't punished then I really may consider walking away from following football at this level. It's totally pointless competing against cheating of this magnitude and spending hundreds of £££ a season in the process. Go to lower league matches without all this VAR crap, kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday.

I do believe they are going to get punished though so I don't think it's going to come to that.

[jillcwhomever]

While you're always at pains to tell us that football journalism is covering Man City well, the poster you replied to was fairly stating the delay between charges being brought and anything further coming out about it. I know it's complicated and all that, but does anyone here really think that the wait is so that they can really punish City properly? I'm 99% sure it'll be an absolute fudge-job, where they at most get a small points deduction and a transfer ban for a window or two.

And while you're correct that there's a handful of journalists who do cover City properly (and you can add Philippe Auclair and Nicholas McGeehan to your list), it's a very small percentage in the mainstream who have said anything remotely critical.

It's simply nowhere close to good enough and doesn't move the dial at all as regards the general public perception. Constantly acting as though journalism is in rude health and there are plenty who cover these huge problems isn't correct and - in my opinion - spreads a false message.

There is only so much that can be said before the case has been proven. Where I go, I see plenty of stuff out there and journalists are prepared to talk about it. But they can only claim so much before the case has been proven. City are denying the charges, so no newspaper is going to go big on their being guilty before its been proven are they?

As for the time it's taken, yes it is complicated. The last article I read from Harris suggested there are a number of witnesses who need to be interviewed that in itself takes a lot of time, especially if
they are not all UK based. Once this starts it will become a much bigger story in itself and then perhaps we will get more information coming out.

[rob1966]

Please help me understand;

I thought Oliver and co reffed games in saudi, which I gather is not in the UAE and City are owned by Abu Dhabi which is in the UAE

Please go slow, as I'm not an expert in world affairs

He's reffed in both Saudi and the UAE. The Thursday before the Spurs game, Oliver and Cook were involved in officiating the Sharjah v Al-Ain match in the UAE Pro League. While this game was the Sharjah Emirate, the UAE pro league was founded by Abu Dhabi. Its currently known as the ADNOC Pro League due to its main sponsor, the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, the State Owned (ie the Royal Family who own Man City) oil company and the people who currently run the UAE pro league are all from the Royal Houses.

Took this from the website to give an idea of what its like:-

UAE Pro League Chairman His Excellency Abdulla Naser Al Junaibi congratulated His Highness Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Presidential Affairs, and Chairman of Al Jazira Club, His Highness Sheikh Hamdan bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Ruler's Representative in the Western Region and Honorary Chairman of the Al Jazira Sports Club, as well as Al Jazira board and fans on winning the 2021-22 UAE Super Cup title.

The league is basically ran by the ruling family. Abu Dhabi is the most powerful of the Emirates and basically runs the entire UAE. If you go to work for the Pro League, your employers are the same people who own City

https://www.uaeproleague.ae/en/news-and-gallery/-271

[dirkster]

This is the only article that I've seen that even remotely mentions the issue of their cheating: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-toughest-opponent-asterisk-titles-b1152029.html

[Terry de Niro]

This is the only article that I've seen that even remotely mentions the issue of their cheating: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-toughest-opponent-asterisk-titles-b1152029.html

That is an excellent article and should by rammed down the throats of all the bum-licking pundits who constantly bull them up.

[decosabute]

This is the only article that I've seen that even remotely mentions the issue of their cheating: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-toughest-opponent-asterisk-titles-b1152029.html

Hadn't seen that. Thanks for posting. Add Dan Kilpatrick to the small list of good ones.

[decosabute]

There is only so much that can be said before the case has been proven. Where I go, I see plenty of stuff out there and journalists are prepared to talk about it. But they can only claim so much before the case has been proven. City are denying the charges, so no newspaper is going to go big on their being guilty before its been proven are they?

As for the time it's taken, yes it is complicated. The last article I read from Harris suggested there are a number of witnesses who need to be interviewed that in itself takes a lot of time, especially if
they are not all UK based. Once this starts it will become a much bigger story in itself and then perhaps we will get more information coming out.

I understand all that with the case pending, but all I'm asking is that people mention the charges (nothing illegal or even provocative in that) and discuss that these charges are there in the context of what we're seeing on the field season after season.

Or, if the writers and broadcasters don't want to do that, then just shut up and don't praise them. But instead we mostly get the worst of both - no mention of the charges and shitloads of praise for City as though they're totally legit.

It's not a high bar I'm setting for journalism in the UK, but the vast majority keep limbo-dancing way under it.

[JRed]

Anytime the dirty cheating scum are mentioned, the fact they are facing unprecedented charges of cheating should also be mentioned.

[dirkster]

That is an excellent article and should by rammed down the throats of all the bum-licking pundits who constantly bull them up.

Amen brother

[GreatEx]

This is the only article that I've seen that even remotely mentions the issue of their cheating: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-toughest-opponent-asterisk-titles-b1152029.html

Good article, but I don't like this part:

"City have since won five of the past six titles, only missing out in Guardiola’s first season and to Liverpool in the Covid-disrupted 2019-20 campaign."

as it implies that the covid break had anything to do with us winning. Dickheads like to asterisk our triumph for that very reason.

[LFC_R_BOSS]

Good article, but I don't like this part:

"City have since won five of the past six titles, only missing out in Guardiola’s first season and to Liverpool in the Covid-disrupted 2019-20 campaign."

as it implies that the covid break had anything to do with us winning. Dickheads like to asterisk our triumph for that very reason.

Yeah 2 more wins and we’d have won the league, Crystal Palace at home we’d have cliched it . They fell off a cliff that season when we got about 7 points clear . We fucking wolloped them

[The North Bank]

I understand all that with the case pending, but all I'm asking is that people mention the charges (nothing illegal or even provocative in that) and discuss that these charges are there in the context of what we're seeing on the field season after season.

Or, if the writers and broadcasters don't want to do that, then just shut up and don't praise them. But instead we mostly get the worst of both - no mention of the charges and shitloads of praise for City as though they're totally legit.

It's not a high bar I'm setting for journalism in the UK, but the vast majority keep limbo-dancing way under it.

After one of their recent title wins they asked the sky sports panel what makes city so great. Think they all agreed that ultimately it was the genius of a Pep, the passion of a fan base , and the Roy of the Rovers under dog story of their obscure players . All under the love of a great sheikh.
It was in depth analysis and a great education. Micah Richards was the only one who went against that, he just laughed a lot, and when he calmed down he put the success down to a magical feeling that you can’t explain,like waking up on Christmas morning.


Its a fucking disgrace, the whole thing.

[Tokyoite]

I understand all that with the case pending, but all I'm asking is that people mention the charges (nothing illegal or even provocative in that) and discuss that these charges are there in the context of what we're seeing on the field season after season.

Or, if the writers and broadcasters don't want to do that, then just shut up and don't praise them. But instead we mostly get the worst of both - no mention of the charges and shitloads of praise for City as though they're totally legit.

It's not a high bar I'm setting for journalism in the UK, but the vast majority keep limbo-dancing way under it.

The less the charges are mentioned the better for the product that is the PL. Doesn't look good if they keep talking about them having 115 charges to their name.

There's also most definitely pressure from somewhere to not talk about them as much as possible.

[TSC]

The less the charges are mentioned the better for the product that is the PL. Doesn't look good if they keep talking about them having 115 charges to their name.

There's also most definitely pressure from somewhere to not talk about them as much as possible.

And sky with their annual peddling of ‘what a title race we have’, before city cruise to their latest title.

[decosabute]

The less the charges are mentioned the better for the product that is the PL. Doesn't look good if they keep talking about them having 115 charges to their name.

There's also most definitely pressure from somewhere to not talk about them as much as possible.

I do get all that with the broadcasters, but some of the writers could grow a pair of bollocks.

Also, they might all be trying desperately to preserve "the product", but I think they're misjudging how much people are losing faith in that same product as long as City get away with it and don't get questioned.

[decosabute]

After one of their recent title wins they asked the sky sports panel what makes city so great. Think they all agreed that ultimately it was the genius of a Pep, the passion of a fan base , and the Roy of the Rovers under dog story of their obscure players . All under the love of a great sheikh.
It was in depth analysis and a great education. Micah Richards was the only one who went against that, he just laughed a lot, and when he calmed down he put the success down to a magical feeling that you can’t explain,like waking up on Christmas morning.


Its a fucking disgrace, the whole thing.

I know you've posted about it for a while, so it's definitely not a knock on you, but I feel like a lot of Arsenal fans are only now finally mentioning 115 charges a lot and questioning the integrity of it all. I mean, it's better than being alone with it like we were for years, but it would've been nice if other fanbases were calling it out before now.

Unfortunately, until Man United launch a credible title challenge and get narrowly beaten by the cheats, I feel like there'll never be enough traction. And let's face it, that looks a mile off.

[Hestoic]

And sky with their annual peddling of ‘what a title race we have’, before city cruise to their latest title.

And their annual TITLE RACE BLOWN WIDE OPEN calls. Every year.

[FiSh77]

I do get all that with the broadcasters, but some of the writers could grow a pair of bollocks.

Also, they might all be trying desperately to preserve "the product", but I think they're misjudging how much people are losing faith in that same product as long as City get away with it and don't get questioned.

I don't know what they can actually say though without being at risk of legal action? you still have to respect innocent until proven guilty even though we know they're cheating c*nts, anyone who cares knows there's 115 charges and the rest, hopefully it's properly dealt with, if not that's the time for journalists who give a fuck to start raising questions

The blowing smoke up their arses needs to stop though

[Barneylfc∗]

I don't know what they can actually say though without being at risk of legal action? you still have to respect innocent until proven guilty even though we know they're cheating c*nts, anyone who cares knows there's 115 charges and the rest, hopefully it's properly dealt with, if not that's the time for journalists who give a fuck to start raising questions

The blowing smoke up their arses needs to stop though

"Manchester City, who let's not forget are facing 115 charges to do with their finances and cooperation with the investigation"

[Billy The Kid]

Perhaps I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel that Arsenal winning the league this year would "soften" the prosecution somewhat. Whereas City pipping Arsenal again (preferably on the final day) would worsen the stench of their cheating and force the PL to ensure that the charges stick. For that reason, I hope Arsenal lose out by the smallest margin possible. There's also the fact that I'm unashamedly begrudging, and want all of our rivals to experience the sense of injustice that we had to endure

[Hestoic]

Perhaps I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel that Arsenal winning the league this year would "soften" the prosecution somewhat. Whereas City pipping Arsenal again (preferably on the final day) would worsen the stench of their cheating and force the PL to ensure that the charges stick. For that reason, I hope Arsenal lose out by the smallest margin possible. There's also the fact that I'm unashamedly begrudging, and want all of our rivals to experience the sense of injustice that we had to endure

You're not alone there mate.

[decosabute]

Perhaps I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel that Arsenal winning the league this year would "soften" the prosecution somewhat. Whereas City pipping Arsenal again (preferably on the final day) would worsen the stench of their cheating and force the PL to ensure that the charges stick. For that reason, I hope Arsenal lose out by the smallest margin possible. There's also the fact that I'm unashamedly begrudging, and want all of our rivals to experience the sense of injustice that we had to endure

Can't help but agree. I'm definitely not a fan of this Arsenal group or their manager, but for me it's far more about the bigger picture than to be begrudging. Arsenal win the league this year and the story will be spun that City aren't just a rule-breaking winning machine, and that it's a very competitive league.

[jillcwhomever]

I know you've posted about it for a while, so it's definitely not a knock on you, but I feel like a lot of Arsenal fans are only now finally mentioning 115 charges a lot and questioning the integrity of it all. I mean, it's better than being alone with it like we were for years, but it would've been nice if other fanbases were calling it out before now.

Unfortunately, until Man United launch a credible title challenge and get narrowly beaten by the cheats, I feel like there'll never be enough traction. And let's face it, that looks a mile off.

Why are you going on about this? Does it really matter? What matters is that people see it now, getting at the people in the past who are basically acting like football fans do is pointless. Most of us would have been the same if the roles had been reversed. As other have pointed out, it when it affects you that people understood what it feels like. The rest of it is just footy fans being footy fans.

[The North Bank]

I know you've posted about it for a while, so it's definitely not a knock on you, but I feel like a lot of Arsenal fans are only now finally mentioning 115 charges a lot and questioning the integrity of it all. I mean, it's better than being alone with it like we were for years, but it would've been nice if other fanbases were calling it out before now.

Unfortunately, until Man United launch a credible title challenge and get narrowly beaten by the cheats, I feel like there'll never be enough traction. And let's face it, that looks a mile off.

It was Wenger who first called it out when Mansoor took over and he got called whinger by everyone, would’ve been nice had he got some support then, that was probably the time to make a stand, feels like horse has bolted now.

[rob1966]

Perhaps I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel that Arsenal winning the league this year would "soften" the prosecution somewhat. Whereas City pipping Arsenal again (preferably on the final day) would worsen the stench of their cheating and force the PL to ensure that the charges stick. For that reason, I hope Arsenal lose out by the smallest margin possible. There's also the fact that I'm unashamedly begrudging, and want all of our rivals to experience the sense of injustice that we had to endure

I said pretty much the same last season, Arsenal winning allows the narrative that anyone can compete, not just us, whereas if Arsenal lost out, the London media might actually kick off about it.

[The North Bank]

I said pretty much the same last season, Arsenal winning allows the narrative that anyone can compete, not just us, whereas if Arsenal lost out, the London media might actually kick off about it.

Liverpool have been the best thing to happen to city, if it wasn’t for you they’d have won at least 6 in a row by about 20 points each season and the league would have been so uncompetitive that thered have been much more urgency for something to be done about the cheating. Klopp was so good that it made some people believe that money isnt a factor.

[Son of Spion]

Liverpool have been the best thing to happen to city, if it wasn’t for you they’d have won at least 6 in a row by about 20 points each season and the league would have been so uncompetitive that thered have been much more urgency for something to be done about the cheating. Klopp was so good that it made some people believe that money isnt a factor.

This is true. Klopp's Liverpool gave the league a false sense of competitiveness. Tribal allegiance saw our 'failure' as the focus then, rather than the cheating by 115*. Arsenal have helped this season and last too, but everyone was too busy laughing at your own title demise that once again, the focus was not on the cheating of 115*.

It's quite bizarre how absolutely no one cares about or respects their 'achievements' and even their own hated and despised local rivals cheer them on against the real clubs. Genuine success attracts both envy and respect. Theirs attracts passing tumbleweed. Only the stooges around the game who are trying to keep their gravy train going seem to give them any respect.

Klopp turned Liverpool into the best legitimate team in the world, but yes, that did help mask the rampant cheating going on at the Etihad.

[Nick110581]

But if they get charged and thrown out the League then the whole brand is fucked.

[Son of Spion]

But if they get charged and thrown out the League then the whole brand is fucked.

It's fucked now, but no one will admit it. The 'brand' is a joke. Credibility compromised then dragged through the mud.

If they are held to account and thrown out of the league, the brand is being protected. No one would miss them. They were a yo-yo club of no marks before being sportswashed. It's not like they're a big name or anything.

[lfc_col]

But if they get charged and thrown out the League then the whole brand is fucked.

Why there not exactly a big club are they it would clean up "the brand" if they where booted out