Author Topic: Welcome Marko Grujic (Read 224380 times)

No pressure eh lads!! We're going to see a lot more of Henderson/Can before we see Grujic. Reckon he will be getting cup games and covering rotation/injuries for the first season at least.

rscanderlech · « **Reply #248 on:** May 9, 2016, 06:39:51 pm »

Quote from: BOBSCOUSE on May 9, 2016, 06:34:24 pm

No pressure eh lads!! We're going to see a lot more of Henderson/Can before we see Grujic. Reckon he will be getting cup games and covering rotation/injuries for the first season at least.

Also Can-Modric (or whoever it is that will be our new midfield signing).

Anfield Ed · « **Reply #249 on:** May 9, 2016, 06:40:26 pm »

He isn't coming here to make up the numbers...He will have serious amount of minutes on the pitch for us next season.

peachybum · « **Reply #250 on:** May 9, 2016, 06:56:13 pm »

Quote from: Anfield Ed on May 9, 2016, 06:40:26 pm

He isn't coming here to make up the numbers...He will have serious amount of minutes on the pitch for us next season.

I think that depends on whether we actually make Europe. If we don't then he's got to get past Can, Hendo and Milner. Possibly even Allen. How many starts does that actually leave him?

He looks a big lad though. Klopp is building us a team of tanks.

Chakan · « **Reply #251 on:** May 9, 2016, 06:57:25 pm »

Haven't watched any of him this season, how's he getting on?

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #252 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:02:47 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on May 9, 2016, 06:57:25 pm

Haven't watched any of him this season, how's he getting on?

He didn`t play much in the second part of the season as he had an awkward nerve related injury in his back and once he got back RS pretty much officially won the league. Before that injury he was tested in a no.10 position and fared there pretty well.

What is most pertinent for me is that he visibly bulked up and it shows he started preparing for PL on time. He also mentioned in couple of interviews he is constant contact with our coaching staff and has apparently followed their instructions which explains that improvement.

One thing that needs to be said is that in Serbian league the tempo is probably the slowest in entire Europe - it`s almost walking pace for the most part - so it`s gonna be a culture shock for him over the first few months though physicality wise I think he`ll cope just fine.

wemmick · « **Reply #253 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:06:42 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on May 9, 2016, 07:02:47 pm

He didn`t play much in the second part of the season as he had an awkward nerve related injury in his back and once he got back RS pretty much officially won the league. Before that injury he was tested in a no.10 position and fared there pretty well.

What is most pertinent for me is that he visibly bulked up and it shows he started preparing for PL on time. He also mentioned in couple of interviews he is constant contact with our coaching staff and has apparently followed their instructions which explains that improvement.

One thing that needs to be said is that in Serbian league the tempo is probably the slowest in entire Europe - it`s almost walking pace for the most part - so it`s gonna be a culture shock for him over the first few months though physicality wise I think he`ll cope just fine.

Hopefully, a good preseason with Klopp and Buvac will help with that. Looking forward to seeing him.

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #254 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:07:56 pm »

Quote from: wemmick on May 9, 2016, 07:06:42 pm

Hopefully, a good preseason with Klopp and Buvac will help with that. Looking forward to seeing him.

They'll have him on the "Divock Origi Work-out Plan"

Chakan · « **Reply #255 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:10:05 pm »

Cheers for the update.

edge · « **Reply #256 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:43:24 pm »

He looks gigantic in that clip

How old was he, again?

redgriffin73 · « **Reply #257 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:45:51 pm »

Quote from: edge on May 9, 2016, 07:43:24 pm

He looks gigantic in that clip

How old was he, again?

Just turned 20.

Redinho · « **Reply #258 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:46:46 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on May 9, 2016, 07:02:47 pm

He didn`t play much in the second part of the season as he had an awkward nerve related injury in his back and once he got back RS pretty much officially won the league. Before that injury he was tested in a no.10 position and fared there pretty well.

What is most pertinent for me is that he visibly bulked up and it shows he started preparing for PL on time. He also mentioned in couple of interviews he is constant contact with our coaching staff and has apparently followed their instructions which explains that improvement.

One thing that needs to be said is that in Serbian league the tempo is probably the slowest in entire Europe - it`s almost walking pace for the most part - so it`s gonna be a culture shock for him over the first few months though physicality wise I think he`ll cope just fine.

Thanks for the update sir, hopefully everyone gives him the time to adjust and can have some patience with him

.

edge · « **Reply #259 on:** May 9, 2016, 07:47:41 pm »

Quote from: redgriffin73 on May 9, 2016, 07:45:51 pm

Just turned 20.

Cheers.

Him and Emre will be a handful for anyone, I think!

Doc Red · « **Reply #260 on:** May 9, 2016, 08:12:53 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on May 9, 2016, 07:02:47 pm

Appreciate the updates you've been sharing with us

On another note, how is he in terms of mentality? Clearly he must have some leadership qualities for him to have captained a game (not sure if it was because it was his final game?), is he emotional or passionate (like Mascherano or Suarez, chases after lost causes, never say die attitude which is expressed in all their naunces), or more low key and calm in his play (like Hamann)? Or is he so young, that we've yet to find out?

ThePeetmix · « **Reply #261 on:** May 9, 2016, 08:23:43 pm »

Big boy.

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #262 on:** May 9, 2016, 08:46:14 pm »

Quote from: Doc Red on May 9, 2016, 08:12:53 pm

Clearly he must have some leadership qualities for him to have captained a game (not sure if it was because it was his final game?)

It was because it was the final game and he was practically the senior player among all other fringe players who were given a chance.

Quote from: Doc Red on May 9, 2016, 08:12:53 pm

, is he emotional or passionate (like Mascherano or Suarez, chases after lost causes, never say die attitude which is expressed in all their naunces), or more low key and calm in his play (like Hamann)? Or is he so young, that we've yet to find out?

That`s the thing about him, his biggest flaw right now is the lack of defensive work-rate and the reason is simple - his team is so superior that he can get away with it; a bit like Y.Toure in a way that he know he doesn`t have to run much to make a difference on the pitch. Obviously he`ll find out very soon into our pre-season that he`ll have to work his bollocks off when we don`t have the ball and press like crazy, I`m sure it will be difficult for him at first but being in an extremely hard working team he`ll realize he has no choice.

I think his mentality is just fine, when you play for RS even a draw is a disaster so he knows all about the pressure of playing for the big club and having every other club in the league parking the bus against you; he proved he can deal with it. Now it`s all about adjusting to a much higher tempo of football in England while being coached by some of the best coaches in Europe, it`s all up to him now.

Gmol · « **Reply #263 on:** May 9, 2016, 08:58:49 pm »

Interesting to see how he fits in especially with Henderson, Milner, maybe Allen and possibly Zielinski competing for the position alongside Can. We could play him in away matches when we need a bit of physical strength. We've been bullied too often in the center over the last few years. I think he'll put Henderson under a lot of pressure.

Doc Red · « **Reply #264 on:** May 9, 2016, 10:43:27 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on May 9, 2016, 08:46:14 pm

Cheers! Very interesting, especially the fact that he's used to playing in the best team, and breaking down defenses that play defensive against his club.
If he's winning to learn, there's probably no better coach than Klopp to bring the best out of him.

The Mule · « **Reply #265 on:** May 9, 2016, 10:44:01 pm »

Quote from: Gmol on May 9, 2016, 08:58:49 pm

Interesting to see how he fits in especially with Henderson, Milner, maybe Allen and possibly Zielinski competing for the position alongside Can. We could play him in away matches when we need a bit of physical strength. We've been bullied too often in the center over the last few years. I think he'll put Henderson under a lot of pressure.

Yep, it's starting to seem quite choked in that area (especially if these Zielinski rumours have any basis in fact).

I assumed we'd be going for a quality DM or DLPM type this summer but surely we won't be bringing in 3 senior centre midfielders without someone leaving, and if so then who?

Also where do youngsters like Stewart, Chirivela and Branagan fit in? Will the domestic cups be their 'thing'. I personally feel those three will be old/good/experienced enough to take on that mantle especially in the earlier rounds next season.

The trouble with the senior centre mids we've got (and the ones we'll be bringing in) is that none of them are pure DMs or DLPMs other than Lucas.

It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Oh and I'm very excited about Grujic, I've hardly seen him play but the little I've seen makes me feel the lad has a massive future ahead of him. I actually think he'll hit the ground running somewhat (no pressure lad).

JackWard33 · « **Reply #266 on:** May 9, 2016, 11:53:04 pm »

Quote from: Gmol on May 9, 2016, 08:58:49 pm

Interesting to see how he fits in especially with Henderson, Milner, maybe Allen and possibly Zielinski competing for the position alongside Can. We could play him in away matches when we need a bit of physical strength. We've been bullied too often in the center over the last few years. I think he'll put Henderson under a lot of pressure.

Not sure why people think Gruijic will be a first eleven player next season.
He's just turned 20 and has been playing in a massively inferior league - the chances he's good enough right now are pretty slim.

MNAA · « **Reply #267 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:59:40 am »

Quote from: JackWard33 on May 9, 2016, 11:53:04 pm

Not sure why people think Gruijic will be a first eleven player next season.
He's just turned 20 and has been playing in a massively inferior league - the chances he's good enough right now are pretty slim.

Fair enough. But we also know that if he is good enough and adapts quickly, Klopp will have no qualms to make him a regular. He certainly have the physical attributes. He is no Igor Biscan by the look of it

bornandbRED · « **Reply #268 on:** May 10, 2016, 02:29:24 am »

So as it stands, we'll have Grujic, Henderson, Allen, Milner, Can, Stewart and Lucas competing for the CM spots next season. And that's without the potential addition/s of Zielinski/Dahoud, or another.

When you consider that we typically only play with two CMs then surely something has to give? I reckon we could be in for a few surprises this summer.

Personally, I'd move Lucas and through gritted teeth, one of Allen and Henderson on.

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #269 on:** May 10, 2016, 03:55:36 am »

Quote from: bornandbRED on May 10, 2016, 02:29:24 am

So as it stands, we'll have Grujic, Henderson, Allen, Milner, Can, Stewart and Lucas competing for the CM spots next season. And that's without the potential addition/s of Zielinski/Dahoud, or another.

When you consider that we typically only play with two CMs then surely something has to give? I reckon we could be in for a few surprises this summer.

Personally, I'd move Lucas and through gritted teeth, one of Allen and Henderson on.

Allen is definitely getting moved on.The fact that he wasn't picked even when Henderson was injured and is behind Milner is enough clue

Milner will mostly play as RW one would think .Which would leave us with

Henderson
Zielinke/Dahoud (or whoever we sign)
Grujic for CM

Can / Lucas / Stewert for DM

Not really too many options if we consider the amount of games we have to play and our pressing style

Redcap · « **Reply #270 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:39:51 am »

Quote from: BeautifulGame91 on May 10, 2016, 03:55:36 am

Allen is definitely getting moved on.The fact that he wasn't picked even when Henderson was injured and is behind Milner is enough clue

Milner will mostly play as RW one would think .Which would leave us with

Henderson
Zielinke/Dahoud (or whoever we sign)
Grujic for CM

Can / Lucas / Stewert for DM

Not really too many options if we consider the amount of games we have to play and our pressing style

This is what I suspect will happen.

I'm pretty certain Hendo, Can and Stewart aren't going anywhere. As for the rest, I think Allen would be the most logical option to move on if we signed Zielinski/Dahoud. They both sound like they have similar skill sets to Allen, and both are younger with apparently better contributions to playmaking/goal scoring.

There's also the possibility that we want to keep Allen, but he doesn't want to stay, which may be why we're linked with Zielinski/Dahoud.

Jinxsy · « **Reply #271 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:09:31 am »

He's 20 yrs old.
He's a massive physical presence in a massively inferior league.
He's got raw attribute & potential.
We got him on a free.
If he fulfills his potential then he's got every chance of muscling into the first team. If not then it was still worth the investment as he'll have a resale value.

There should be no expectation or pressure on the lad from us. Let him & Jürgen do that.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #272 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:10:31 am »

Quote from: Jinxsy on May 10, 2016, 09:09:31 am

He's 20 yrs old.
He's a massive physical presence in a massively inferior league.
He's got raw attribute & potential.
We got him on a free.
If he fulfills his potential then he's got every chance of muscling into the first team. If not then it was still worth the investment as he'll have a resale value.

There should be no expectation or pressure on the lad from us. Let him & Jürgen do that.

We signed him for 5m plus addons. Not on a free. Matip was on a free.

Jinxsy · « **Reply #273 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:14:13 am »

My bad. Point still stands though. It's enough of a challenge for him to move to a new country, new squad, new culture and new way of life / pace of footy without half the ground getting fucked off when he doesn't manage to meet unrealistic expectations.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #274 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:17:43 am »

Quote from: Jinxsy on May 10, 2016, 09:14:13 am

My bad. Point still stands though. It's enough of a challenge for him to move to a new country, new squad, new culture and new way of life / pace of footy without half the ground getting fucked off when he doesn't manage to meet unrealistic expectations.

No quarrel there. I think he's a talent, and I would be interested to see what sort of a player he actually is.

Chris~ · « **Reply #275 on:** May 10, 2016, 10:25:48 am »

Quote from: BeautifulGame91 on May 10, 2016, 03:55:36 am

Allen is definitely getting moved on.The fact that he wasn't picked even when Henderson was injured and is behind Milner is enough clue

Milner will mostly play as RW one would think .Which would leave us with

Henderson
Zielinke/Dahoud (or whoever we sign)
Grujic for CM

Can / Lucas / Stewert for DM

Not really too many options if we consider the amount of games we have to play and our pressing style

That's possibly 5 or 6 players for two positionscand doesn't include any potential youth players. I'd say that's fine in terms of numbers.

CoventryYNWA · « **Reply #276 on:** May 10, 2016, 10:49:37 am »

Depending on the situation with the work permit we have Allan coming into the fold to, Klopp spoke very highly about him and I wouldn't be surprised to see him featuring at all.

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #277 on:** May 10, 2016, 11:58:32 am »

We have spent 6m pounds on a 20-year old kid from an obscure league who had only 6 months of first team football under his belt. That speaks volumes. At the time we bought him he didn`t play one game for his national team and didn`t play one minute of European football.

It showcases how highly we rate him and we`re not the only one as his price was inflated due to the interest of other big European clubs. Usually players from this European region go for these kind of prices once they had a few good European campaigns and a few caps and goals for their countries.

We wouldn`t be making such an outlay so early if we didn`t have really, really high hopes for him. The key is now to give him good 6 months to adjust to Klopp football and see what happens.

classycarra · « **Reply #278 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:03:09 pm »

Quote from: CoventryYNWA on May 10, 2016, 10:49:37 am

Depending on the situation with the work permit we have Allan coming into the fold to, Klopp spoke very highly about him and I wouldn't be surprised to see him featuring at all.

i'd say there's next to no chance of allan getting a work permit at any point next season

newterp · « **Reply #279 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:17:06 pm »

Quote from: SerbianScouser on May 10, 2016, 11:58:32 am

We have spent 6m pounds on a 20-year old kid from an obscure league who had only 6 months of first team football under his belt. That speaks volumes. At the time we bought him he didn`t play one game for his national team and didn`t play one minute of European football.

It showcases how highly we rate him and we`re not the only one as his price was inflated due to the interest of other big European clubs. Usually players from this European region go for these kind of prices once they had a few good European campaigns and a few caps and goals for their countries.

We wouldn`t be making such an outlay so early if we didn`t have really, really high hopes for him. The key is now to give him good 6 months to adjust to Klopp football and see what happens.

Good luck with that...Firmino was considered a bust 6 months in by many many many here as well as the esteemed journalists. And Can - jeez - last year and this - week to week it was a roller coaster ride.