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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4440 on: February 17, 2014, 11:36:15 pm »
Loved it when he dedicated his European Cup win against the Mancs to us :D
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4441 on: February 17, 2014, 11:58:38 pm »
How did he agitate for a move?  ???

He wanted to go the previous season, stayed and then we sacked Rafa and hired Hodgson. As far as I remember he asked to leave and wanted to go to Barca. He didn't refuse to play, so I don't know how he agitated for a move besides saying I'd like to go to Barca.

People believe what they want to believe. Masch forced above to a club he wanted to go to, and we forced Torres to move to a club he didn't really want to join. End of the day, the club made the deal so the buck ends there. As this summer proves, if a club wants to keep a player because their requested price isn't met they can do.

What the club was doing at the time knocks any speculation about Masch into a cocked hat because we KNOW how dodgy they were, not just guessing.

I am unclear about what you mean by dodgy in this context. Do you mean corrupt? Where would the benefit be, from a dodgy point of view, in selling a player for less than he was worth? If you mean that they were bleeding the club and would rather liquidate the player at whatever price they could get, why not Torres as well? I'm open minded on this btw.

By agitate I mean making it clear that he has no intention of signing a new contract, Using the South American staple of the unhappy wife. Relying on a Committment he claimed was made the previous year as leverage despite the fact that nobody involved envisaged that this should mean selling him for less than he was worth. And openly courting Barca.

This season has showed that if you don't want to sell you don't have to. This is correct but back then these scenarios only had one outcome. In fact most people thought that the Suarez saga would result in him going even though he never actually handed in a transfer request. That's because this is what we have been used to.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4442 on: February 18, 2014, 12:23:01 am »
I hate watching City play as they have two players in Silva and Jovetic that could and should have been ours that summer...fuck.

We were also heavily linked to Negredo under Rafa.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4443 on: February 18, 2014, 12:50:46 am »
Purslow was 'running the club'.

And the likes of Pepe, Lucas and a few others would've left as well if they had gotten the chance to do so.

Purslow was 'fucking the club' if anything.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4444 on: February 18, 2014, 01:21:04 am »
Looking back you cant really blame him for wanting out under Hodgson, after that City game I wanted out as well but been a fan its not that easy.

I remember getting back to the mini bus after the 3-0 defeat and saying to my mates that Hodgson needed to go there and then but all I got was "back the manager".

What dark days they were under Hodgson, Hicks, Gillett and Purslow. Thank god for our new yanks and Rodgers. everything now looks so much brighter especially if we manage to get in to the champions league next season.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4445 on: February 18, 2014, 02:19:13 am »
Masch is boss. He was the one I hated seeing leave.

I'd never blame him for wanting out.

Rafa gone/RoyPurslow running the show. Dickhead owners.
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Always only going to be one outcome and fair play to him.

+1.  Was truly sad to see him go.  Not only because a quality player who always gave his all on the pitch left, but also a reflection of the sad state of our Club then.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4446 on: February 18, 2014, 02:44:41 am »
How's the missus Masch? Is Catalonia closer to Argentina than Liverpool?

Are you thinking of Carlos Tevez rather than Masch?
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4447 on: February 18, 2014, 06:14:08 am »
Don't even care if he refused to play for Hodgson. Wish he'd never left though, I'm still yet to see another defensive midfielder who's as good as Masch was for us.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4448 on: February 18, 2014, 08:53:12 am »
The fact anyone on here feels the need to have a pop at Mascherano (or Alonso or Rafa for that matter) is depressing.

They're all part of the most wonderful few years this club had in two decades, which were ruined by the worst we had in the same period.

We were fucking being ripped apart by the Yanks when they all left, and let's not pretend the club were sad to see high value players go at the time.

And yet you leave Torres out of your statement, who is one of the best strikers the club has ever had and who left for a fair transfer fee...

Our fans blame the club for Masch going, yet blame Torres for him going

If Torres had gone to barca we would probably have got £30M, then we'd have a reason to hate him...

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4449 on: February 18, 2014, 08:57:57 am »
So let's complain about what a prick Sturridge is for going to one of his rivals.

Eh?

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4450 on: February 18, 2014, 09:03:23 am »
The difference between the pair is the buying club.

Personally I don't give a fuck about either of them.

Our best players were always going to leave whan Rafa did.

We all laugh our cocks off that we got a 20 goal striker off Chelsea for 12M, yet cry like babies when the boots on the other foot.

Some people need to get a fucking grip.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4451 on: February 18, 2014, 09:13:12 am »
Are you thinking of Carlos Tevez rather than Masch?

There were loads of reports at the time about his wife, I'm sure there was a quote from Messi saying he should go because his wife was not happy

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4452 on: February 18, 2014, 09:16:07 am »
Mascherano is full of shit, move on.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4453 on: February 18, 2014, 09:20:02 am »
The difference between the pair is the buying club.

Personally I don't give a fuck about either of them.

Our best players were always going to leave whan Rafa did.

We all laugh our cocks off that we got a 20 goal striker off Chelsea for 12M, yet cry like babies when the boots on the other foot.

Some people need to get a fucking grip.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4454 on: November 16, 2014, 04:53:45 pm »
Masch was awarded Barca's Player Of The Year 2013/14, an award voted by Spanish and Catalan media.

http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/detail/article/mascherano-wins-memorial-aldo-rovira-award

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4455 on: November 21, 2014, 04:08:59 am »
Congrats to the little bugger, he was a good player that graced the red shirt.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4456 on: April 21, 2015, 09:40:36 pm »
Still miss this little fucker. Why wasn't he at Gerrard's match?
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4457 on: April 21, 2015, 10:47:23 pm »
Still miss this little fucker. Why wasn't he at Gerrard's match?

The game was played during an international break, and Masch still plays international football. Most of the others who played don't. Suarez is still banned.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4458 on: July 19, 2015, 12:14:26 am »
Loved it when he dedicated his European Cup win against the Mancs to us :D
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4459 on: July 27, 2015, 12:45:32 am »
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4460 on: July 27, 2015, 06:01:08 am »
Don't even care if he refused to play for Hodgson. Wish he'd never left though, I'm still yet to see another defensive midfielder who's as good as Masch was for us.

Same. Awesome little player. I miss the mad bastard.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4461 on: July 31, 2015, 12:16:10 pm »
Hurts so much we never won a title with those 2 in the team. :(
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4462 on: August 10, 2015, 06:52:04 am »
Hurts so much we never won a title with those 2 in the team. :(

We actually had the best midfield in the world at the time. It's actually criminal that we were probably one good winger or central goalscorer to the level of Sterling, Sturridge or even Ibe away from probably winning in 08-09. Instead we sold off Alonso and Arbeloa and the rest is history. In hindsight, Robbie Keane flopping was probably the difference between winning the league that year and falling short.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4463 on: August 10, 2015, 09:55:12 am »
We actually had the best midfield in the world at the time. It's actually criminal that we were probably one good winger or central goalscorer to the level of Sterling, Sturridge or even Ibe away from probably winning in 08-09. Instead we sold off Alonso and Arbeloa and the rest is history. In hindsight, Robbie Keane flopping was probably the difference between winning the league that year and falling short.

If we had signed fucking David Silva like Rafa wanted instead of Robbie keane we would have done!!! Rick Parry's fault that
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Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4464 on: September 11, 2015, 06:17:51 am »
Masch doesn't want to live in the spotlight like Messi, but he's going to be charged with tax evasion just like Messi

http://www.espnfc.com/spanish-primera-division/story/2604976/javier-mascherano-to-be-charged-with-tax-fraud-report-says
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4465 on: September 14, 2015, 12:18:52 am »
Hope he's deported to England that's all I can say  :)

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4466 on: September 28, 2015, 06:32:09 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34385113

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Javier Mascherano charged with tax fraud

Barcelona's Argentina international Javier Mascherano has been charged with two counts of defrauding the Spanish tax authorities of a total of more than 1.5 million euros (£1.109m).

Mascherano is alleged to have sought to conceal earnings from his image rights by using companies set up in the United States and Portugal.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4467 on: September 28, 2015, 06:34:07 pm »
Hopefully he'll face a fitting punishment.


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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4468 on: September 28, 2015, 06:48:56 pm »
Hopefully he'll face a fitting punishment.


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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4469 on: September 28, 2015, 07:54:38 pm »
That's sad to hear, seems to be a problem at Barcelona with this kind of thing.

Will always think positively of Mascherano, helped my cousin fit his oven when he moved in next door to him
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4470 on: September 28, 2015, 07:56:55 pm »
That's sad to hear, seems to be a problem at Barcelona with this kind of thing.

Will always think positively of Mascherano, helped my cousin fit his oven when he moved in next door to him

:lmao that is great. We should get him back. With Sakho fixing up houses and Masch fitting the kitchens, we could open a DIY store and make some extra transfer cash on the side.

Otherwise, yes, Barca player in tax dodging shock ;D
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4471 on: September 28, 2015, 08:03:28 pm »
:lmao that is great. We should get him back. With Sakho fixing up houses and Masch fitting the kitchens, we could open a DIY store and make some extra transfer cash on the side.

Otherwise, yes, Barca player in tax dodging shock ;D
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« Reply #4472 on: September 28, 2015, 08:09:39 pm »
:lmao that is great. We should get him back. With Sakho fixing up houses and Masch fitting the kitchens, we could open a DIY store and make some extra transfer cash on the side.

Otherwise, yes, Barca player in tax dodging shock ;D

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4473 on: January 18, 2016, 11:47:21 pm »
I don't get the Mascherano love-in amongst some Rawkites. I will always remember him as someone who refused to play for Liverpool. I don't care that Hodgson was the manager when he did it. No player should ever be forgiven for refusing to wear the shirt. He's also a mercenary who couldn't wait to fuck off as soon as Barca came in for him. That situation will always color my opinion of the lad. For me he is consigned to the same category of ex-Liverpool players as the likes of Grobbelaar, Diouf and Itandje.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4474 on: January 18, 2016, 11:50:38 pm »
Over 250 appearances for Barcelona now. I imagine we're a distant memory.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4475 on: January 19, 2016, 12:54:51 am »
I don't get the Mascherano love-in amongst some Rawkites. I will always remember him as someone who refused to play for Liverpool. I don't care that Hodgson was the manager when he did it. No player should ever be forgiven for refusing to wear the shirt. He's also a mercenary who couldn't wait to fuck off as soon as Barca came in for him. That situation will always color my opinion of the lad. For me he is consigned to the same category of ex-Liverpool players as the likes of Grobbelaar, Diouf and Itandje.

In the same category as somebody laughing and joking during the hillsborough memorial service? Give your head a wobble lad.

He shouldn't have done what he did, but it's worth noting his missus had already moved out of England months before because she hated living here, the club was fucked and Barca are the peak for most South American players to reach.

Leaving for Barca doesn't make you a mercenary. If he's a mercenary then so are all of our current players

Also will never forget him beating the Mancs in the final and dedicating the win to us...
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4476 on: January 19, 2016, 01:02:04 am »
I don't get the Mascherano love-in amongst some Rawkites. I will always remember him as someone who refused to play for Liverpool. I don't care that Hodgson was the manager when he did it. No player should ever be forgiven for refusing to wear the shirt. He's also a mercenary who couldn't wait to fuck off as soon as Barca came in for him. That situation will always color my opinion of the lad. For me he is consigned to the same category of ex-Liverpool players as the likes of Grobbelaar, Diouf and Itandje.
Maybe it's because he gave 100% in the 94 games he did play in... Rather than listening to someone who was brought in to oversee a firesale and drive any saleable assets out of the club. ( Torres Riena Agger and Masch )   The same tactically illiterate man who would rather push players (and even fans) under a bus on a regular basis,than face up to his own inadequacies during his 31 games. hmmm.

I'd of probably gone aswell, if only to avoid smacking the old owl faced tw@   

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4477 on: January 19, 2016, 01:14:47 am »
I don't get the Mascherano love-in amongst some Rawkites. I will always remember him as someone who refused to play for Liverpool. I don't care that Hodgson was the manager when he did it. No player should ever be forgiven for refusing to wear the shirt. He's also a mercenary who couldn't wait to fuck off as soon as Barca came in for him. That situation will always color my opinion of the lad. For me he is consigned to the same category of ex-Liverpool players as the likes of Grobbelaar, Diouf and Itandje.
Give it a rest.

Akin to Diouf and Itandje? Fucking hell, someone people don't half hold a high opinions of us.

He was a fucking machine when he was here. As a lifelong Liverpool supporter, I'd have struggled to stay here. He deserved a whole lot better than Hodgson, and the bollocks that followed.

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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4478 on: January 19, 2016, 01:16:14 am »
Over 250 appearances for Barcelona now. I imagine we're a distant memory.
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Re: Javier Mascherano
« Reply #4479 on: January 19, 2016, 01:17:14 am »
Maybe it's because he gave 100% in the 94 games he did play in... Rather than listening to someone who was brought in to oversee a firesale and drive any saleable assets out of the club. ( Torres Riena Agger and Masch )   The same tactically illiterate man who would rather push players (and even fans) under a bus on a regular basis,than face up to his own inadequacies during his 31 games. hmmm.

I'd of probably gone aswell, if only to avoid smacking the old owl faced tw@   
It's weird how players who left during the Hodgson era seem to be absolved of all blame because things were tough at the time, but the ones who stayed and didn't bail out get very little, if any, credit or praise for staying.

If Mascherano hadn't gone on to be a success at Barca I think things would be looked at differently. Lesser players have been slaughtered for much much less. Doesn't really seem fair.