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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101320 on: February 1, 2020, 11:15:07 am »
I see 23’s play Arsenal today and there is no 18’s game. Line up will be interesting to see if many are rested before Shrewsbury match.
Also, hope to see Jones not involved today at Anfield so he stays and captains on Tuesday.
Is this being shown anywhere on tv mate?  It's not on our channel but not sure about lfctvgo?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101321 on: February 1, 2020, 11:32:40 am »
I sort of tuned out of the FA Cup selection thing after Klopp spoke about it. Are the likes of Elliot, Jones definitely going to be there on Tuesday? I'd hope so, even though it would have been nice for some returning squad players to get more minutes I've sort of just accepted it, think we stand a chance if the ones who've really made a mark in the cup games play, likes of the aforementioned Jones and Elliot, with the full backs. Excited to see Hoever too.

The 11 that played against Villa put a spirited performance in, but the likes of Jones and the Williams/Larouci didn't play. They should come in and improve us, hopefully Chirivella starts again too. Do think it's a winnable tie at Anfield.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101322 on: February 1, 2020, 12:13:55 pm »
Is this being shown anywhere on tv mate?  It's not on our channel but not sure about lfctvgo?

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Not on LFCTV according to the fixture list.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101323 on: February 1, 2020, 12:22:04 pm »
Not on LFCTV according to the fixture list.
Ta mate.  I'm guessing if there's streams it'll be on one of my IPTV channels.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101325 on: February 1, 2020, 01:56:14 pm »
Loads of changes, predictably.

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KCo1GtV2/#lineups;1

and apparently we're 2-0 up;

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101326 on: February 1, 2020, 01:57:14 pm »
Winning 2-0 goals from Boyes and Varesanovic?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101327 on: February 1, 2020, 03:00:29 pm »
3-0 it finished with Longstaff getting the 3rd.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101328 on: February 1, 2020, 04:03:18 pm »
Loads of changes, predictably.

https://www.flashscore.com/match/KCo1GtV2/#lineups;1

Adam Lewis not involved hopefully means he is fit enough to start on Tuesday.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101329 on: February 1, 2020, 07:45:04 pm »
Wonder if we might see Larouci move further forward on Tues if Lewis is fit. Or vice versa.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101330 on: February 1, 2020, 08:36:45 pm »
Wonder if we might see Larouci move further forward on Tues if Lewis is fit. Or vice versa.

Came off injured in midweek?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101331 on: February 1, 2020, 08:41:24 pm »
Prefer Lewis in midfield personally. Doesn't have the athleticism at LB.

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« Reply #101332 on: February 4, 2020, 05:59:04 pm »
Do we have a song for our occasional manager Neil Critchley? Or are we just using the Jurgen Klopp song and swapping the names because it's the same number of syllables?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101333 on: February 4, 2020, 08:56:50 pm »
Wow. We’ve got some fantastic young players.

Got to think Jones, Elliot, and Williams have a very good chance of becoming first team players in the next couple of years.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101334 on: February 5, 2020, 01:09:28 am »
Has Hoever ever played LCB, or is he a right sider only?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101335 on: February 5, 2020, 04:00:17 am »
Wow. We’ve got some fantastic young players.

Got to think Jones, Elliot, and Williams have a very good chance of becoming first team players in the next couple of years.

I think those 3 are already in and around first team, its just about getting more gametime. Curtis will take Lallana's spot, Williams will take Clyne's. Elliot is also going to get time in the front 3 in the cups.

Its the ones that haven't had so much gametime that interested me. Kelleher is developing very nicely in the same style as Alisson and will probably get promoted to immediate backup in a couple season's time. Hoever and Van Den Berg were also excellent and there is room for them to get in as well in a couple season's time. Lewis was far more disciplined and intelligent with the ball than Larouci at left back, so if he can improve on his final product, he should be able to atleast get ahead of Larouci in the pecking order.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101336 on: February 5, 2020, 05:09:56 am »
Jones, Williams and Elliott have such promise. Van den Berg was really good I thought too as well as Chiravella. Think those will given a few more opportunities in the season to come.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101337 on: February 5, 2020, 12:06:04 pm »
Clarkson and Cain are already two of the best passers at the club, Clarkson in particular yesterday was playing some incredible passes.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101338 on: February 5, 2020, 10:13:04 pm »
Tom Hill has just signed his first professional contract with the club, having just moved up into the under 18's team this season. Another attacking midfielder to keep an eye on.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/386011-tom-hill-signs-first-professional-contract-with-liverpool-fc

I agree with Coolie, Cain and Clarkson play well together, they already have a great understanding. I thought the way they controlled the tempo of the game especially at the end was really impressive. So many youngsters to keep an eye on now, happy days.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101339 on: February 6, 2020, 09:55:15 am »
Doesn't Leighton Clarkson look like a young Kenny?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101340 on: February 6, 2020, 10:39:22 am »
Doesn't Leighton Clarkson look like a young Kenny?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101341 on: February 7, 2020, 07:49:28 pm »
In terms of potential and performance, is the age group from 16-22 the most talent the club have ever had?

I can't think of a time when LFC have had so many players in that age range, who you wouldn't be surprised if they established themselves in the first team, in years to come.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101342 on: February 7, 2020, 09:05:17 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101343 on: February 7, 2020, 10:32:58 pm »
Sunderland in the cup this Sunday.

I wonder if we’ll respect the competition or if we’ll play the kids.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101344 on: February 8, 2020, 03:06:49 am »
Clarkson and Cain are already two of the best passers at the club, Clarkson in particular yesterday was playing some incredible passes.

You don't mind the odd bit of hyperbole do you ;D

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101345 on: February 8, 2020, 10:11:22 am »
You don't mind the odd bit of hyperbole do you ;D

It’s not hyperbole, it’s the same when I said Harry Wilson was already the best free kick taker at the club....

There are not many better passers of the ball than these two even in the first team, this is not hyperbole it’s pretty conclusive if you have watched them play.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101346 on: February 8, 2020, 11:07:20 am »
Sunderland in the cup this Sunday.

I wonder if we’ll respect the competition or if we’ll play the kids.

In a huge storm on an open pitch? That should be fun :D

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101347 on: February 8, 2020, 12:03:48 pm »
It’s not hyperbole, it’s the same when I said Harry Wilson was already the best free kick taker at the club....

There are not many better passers of the ball than these two even in the first team, this is not hyperbole it’s pretty conclusive if you have watched them play.

Oh lord please don’t start on these two  :butt
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101348 on: February 8, 2020, 12:49:29 pm »
Oh lord please don’t start on these two  :butt

I think people have a hard time interpreting what I mean, but that’s on you not me, them being great passers of the ball doesn’t mean they will be world class players in our team, if you have a hard time understanding that then.....

Brannigan was a good passer of the ball, Suso was too, going further back so was Jon Welsh and neither made it here, Clarkson and Cain are great passers of the ball, as is Curtis Jones a great dribbler, and if I  made a similar statement about Curtis Jones already being one of the best dribblers in the squad last year I’m sure I would illicit the same response, but it’s true...
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« Reply #101349 on: February 8, 2020, 04:18:41 pm »
We seem to have a nice collection of centrehalves, midfielders and fullbacks coming through, but are there any promising pacey wide players in the ranks which have yet to emerge?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101350 on: February 8, 2020, 04:37:22 pm »
We seem to have a nice collection of centrehalves, midfielders and fullbacks coming through, but are there any promising pacey wide players in the ranks which have yet to emerge?

I like the look of Layton Stewart whose a forward in the under 18's. He scored a hat trick last time out against Sunderland, has an eye for the spectacular. He gets a mention on the video below alongside his striking partner Fidal O'Rourke.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101351 on: February 8, 2020, 09:22:08 pm »


In terms of potential and performance, is the age group from 16-22 the most talent the club have ever had?

I can't think of a time when LFC have had so many players in that age range, who you wouldn't be surprised if they established themselves in the first team, in years to come.
It depends what do you classify as establish themselves in the Liverpool first team? 50 apprarence? 5 apprarence or how do you define it?

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« Reply #101352 on: February 9, 2020, 12:00:49 am »
It’s not hyperbole, it’s the same when I said Harry Wilson was already the best free kick taker at the club....

There are not many better passers of the ball than these two even in the first team, this is not hyperbole it’s pretty conclusive if you have watched them play.
I think people have a hard time interpreting what I mean, but that’s on you not me, them being great passers of the ball doesn’t mean they will be world class players in our team, if you have a hard time understanding that then.....

Brannigan was a good passer of the ball, Suso was too, going further back so was Jon Welsh and neither made it here, Clarkson and Cain are great passers of the ball, as is Curtis Jones a great dribbler, and if I  made a similar statement about Curtis Jones already being one of the best dribblers in the squad last year I’m sure I would illicit the same response, but it’s true...


It's become apparent where your custom title "My opinions are facts, FYI" comes from ;)

Let me assure you there's nothing tough to interpret in your hyperbolic statements about those two young players, or about Chirivella being unquestionably better than Winks already.

You believe that of the 50 or 60 footballers at the club, the two greatest passers of the ball are Clarkson and Cain. I think that's hyperbole. I suspect that maybe if a handful of our senior players dropped down a few levels and started playing games against teenagers you might reconsider their passing ability and maybe reign in the sweeping statements about players who've made single figure appearances of professional football for LFC.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101353 on: February 9, 2020, 12:20:24 am »
It's become apparent where your custom title "My opinions are facts, FYI" comes from ;)

Let me assure you there's nothing tough to interpret in your hyperbolic statements about those two young players, or about Chirivella being unquestionably better than Winks already.

You believe that of the 50 or 60 footballers at the club, the two greatest passers of the ball are Clarkson and Cain. I think that's hyperbole. I suspect that maybe if a handful of our senior players dropped down a few levels and started playing games against teenagers you might reconsider their passing ability and maybe reign in the sweeping statements about players who've made single figure appearances of professional football for LFC.

It’s funny how posters I barely notice, seem to remember my posts more than I do theirs and use it as a stick to beat me with in other unrelated threads.

The Chrivella comment was a off hand comment with not too much thought put behind it, I just thought to big up a player in our team against one of an opponents who I barely watch play. On the other hand a comment I make about players I’ve watched extensively players who play for my club is different, at this point I’m tired of making the same point over and over again, but let’s for one second defer to another smarter posters opinion...

I always remember phase of play saying after 17, the improvements professional footballers make technically are marginal, so why is it outlandish to think a 16-17 year old can be already better in an isolated part of their game than a senior player? Was TAA not one of the best passers at the club at the same age? Is Curtis Jones not one of the best dribblers at the club at the same age? Joe Gomez not one of the fastest players as soon as he came here at 18? Did you see Michael Owen run at 18? In fact lest scale it down even more, did you see David Amoo who never amounted to as much a top flight footballer at the same age, he was already one of the fastest players at the club playing in the u 18’s!

Of course that never sufficed in him becoming a top footballer, because just being an excellent passer or excellent dribbler or incredible fast by itself is rarely enough, most of the times you need a myriad of qualities to make it at the top level, and even after that, there is many good technicians in the lower leagues who didn’t have the physical or mental attributes to make it at the very top.

So yes Cain and Clarkson are two of the better passers at the club, with probably only a handful of first team players I would consider better in that remit, certainly not the 50-60 players you mention, and my opinion can be still be a just one even if they never make it here, and I’ve explained a similar point like this before but not everyone is blessed with understanding or indeed common sense, I guess I do make a lot of buzz statements, but I can always explain my reasoning and I don’t think it’s a crazy one.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101354 on: February 9, 2020, 12:23:25 am »
In terms of potential and performance, is the age group from 16-22 the most talent the club have ever had?

I can't think of a time when LFC have had so many players in that age range, who you wouldn't be surprised if they established themselves in the first team, in years to come.

Probably, but I guess that's something people are saying of pretty much every generation of academy-players. I think a big difference today is the state of the club overall, everything seems to work perfectly in and around the club at the moment. With that being said, there's loads of players in the academy that I wouldn't be surprised to see having decent careers, hopefully some of them at LFC.

In the hyperbole-gate I'd say that some of the academy-players definitely have attributes that can compete with the top players at the club. Clarkson is definitely a great passer, although it looks even more impressive cause of the opposition, of course the players he ususally plays against aren't that good at reading the play, closing him down or cutting out passing lanes as the players Henderson or Fabinho plays every week. Same goes for Jones and his dribbling skills.

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« Reply #101355 on: February 9, 2020, 12:34:26 am »
Probably, but I guess that's something people are saying of pretty much every generation of academy-players. I think a big difference today is the state of the club overall, everything seems to work perfectly in and around the club at the moment. With that being said, there's loads of players in the academy that I wouldn't be surprised to see having decent careers, hopefully some of them at LFC.

In the hyperbole-gate I'd say that some of the academy-players definitely have attributes that can compete with the top players at the club. Clarkson is definitely a great passer, although it looks even more impressive cause of the opposition, of course the players he ususally plays against aren't that good at reading the play, closing him down or cutting out passing lanes as the players Henderson or Fabinho plays every week. Same goes for Jones and his dribbling skills.

Yep there is nothing wrong with admitting Cain or Clarkson are great passers of the ball already, for most players their technical DNA has already been in place before they even make the first team. Clarkson and Cain are good technically but there’s other things to consider and these things are just as important in them making it here, things such as their physical and mental capabilities which is just as important as their ability on the ball, both are very slight and neither blessed with great pace, so these factors can play a part in them making it here, yet it doesn’t negate their ability to pass the ball.

Lijnders said this about Clarkson earlier on in the season, based off what they have seen of him playing alongside our first team!

https://onefootball.com/en/news/pep-lijnders-praises-17-year-old-liverpool-star-after-impressing-in-first-team-training-en-27176122?variable=20200209

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« Reply #101356 on: February 9, 2020, 02:00:58 am »
It depends what do you classify as establish themselves in the Liverpool first team? 50 apprarence? 5 apprarence or how do you define it?
Pretty obvious that playing 5 games isn't establishing yourself.

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« Reply #101357 on: February 9, 2020, 10:50:28 am »
In a huge storm on an open pitch? That should be fun :D

It’s been postponed.

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« Reply #101358 on: February 9, 2020, 11:18:22 am »
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You’ve already done this with poor Harry Wilson, where posters have gone quite negative about him to balance out the utterly stupendous hyperbole about how he would walk into any other team in the league and other such nuggets. Please give these two kids a chance Coolie. We know you like to chuck out mega statements in the hope one of them develops into a megastar and you can go I told you so, but please leave out the nonsense.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101359 on: February 9, 2020, 11:26:54 am »
You’ve already done this with poor Harry Wilson, where posters have gone quite negative about him to balance out the utterly stupendous hyperbole about how he would walk into any other team in the league and other such nuggets. Please give these two kids a chance Coolie. We know you like to chuck out mega statements in the hope one of them develops into a megastar and you can go I told you so, but please leave out the nonsense.

Wilson would play games for every other team in the league is more along the lines of what I said, the top teams consist of the likes of Dan James Mason Mount Saka  etc playing regularly btw.

But moving on God knows what  the hell you’re on about, so I could say I told you so, nope not at all, if you’re so miserable where you can’t hear compliments for young players is best you ignore my posts as I’m tired of explaining things in detail only to get replied with people who have little to say about football and more to say about me personally, just ignore me from now on, I already do the same with you.
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