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« Reply #400 on: January 1, 2011, 03:16:10 am »
If Roy quits now then Preston are actively seeking a new manager and already have a secure hold in the relegation zone which is more accustomed to Roy's non existent standards and expectations.  If he gets them out of relegation....which I doubt he would become a superstar, if not then he can easily blame the previous manager which he has already proven he is more than qualified for.

Food for thought Roy eh???

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« Reply #401 on: January 1, 2011, 03:16:20 am »
I know it's controversial to put in this name, but I still remember the German national team before and after him.  Of couse, he failed at Bayern, but how about Jurgen Klinsmann?  He is still 46, and his enthusiasm will bring better out of our current players.

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« Reply #402 on: January 1, 2011, 03:20:37 am »
It's good that the owners are all too aware that Hodgson is a massive shitcunt.

On the other hand, it's very strange that they would make it clear that they want to get rid without actually doing it. Or as has been said, there's no motivation for Hodgson at all. Maybe they're playing some game I don't understand, but the way I see it, the owner has to be 100% behind the manager until the moment he shows him the door.

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« Reply #403 on: January 1, 2011, 03:20:58 am »
As far as I'm concerned it's Deschamps' to lose. Has proven himself in management with Juve and more impressively with Marseille. He can handle European and Domestic football on a regular basis, won the League with Marseille in his first season, their first in 18 years. Not to mention his phenomenal playing record and respect in the football world.

He's also the highest rated coach in France and Comolli will no doubt have followed his achivements closely. The question is would he come here now, season in doubt and on a relatively successful run for them having made it out of the CL groups (not sure how they are in the league right now).
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« Reply #404 on: January 1, 2011, 03:28:06 am »
Resign now and you'll receive good wishes. Take 1 penny compensation for the mess you can't admit you've made and your future media life will be haunted. Think about it Roy.

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« Reply #405 on: January 1, 2011, 03:29:19 am »
Resign now and you'll receive good wishes. Take 1 penny compensation for the mess you can't admit you've made and your future media life will be haunted. Think about it Roy.

But he is English remember? When he goes, whether it be sacked or he walks the media will slate Liverpool for tarnishing the great career that Roy has had and how he wasn't given a chance

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« Reply #406 on: January 1, 2011, 03:35:42 am »
we're a fucking mess..everything is so convulated and tedious and in the open...call him in and get rid..stop fucking around with whispers in the papers.
NESV and their position with kenny is worrying- give him the job- temporarily if they have to. just dont understand why he is not included in any kind of set up.
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« Reply #407 on: January 1, 2011, 03:47:09 am »
He's probably the most "unproven" manager floating around Europe at the moment IMO
But no one fits the NESV policy more.Ambitious,daring young manager,can do wonders.The team will play fantastic football.Long term appointment that will reap benefits.

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« Reply #408 on: January 1, 2011, 03:50:49 am »
Thing is, NESV have made it public they are looking for his replacement. Roy has to face the press after Bolton and the inevitable question will be..."How can you stay in the job knowing your employers have publicly announced they have no faith in you and are looking for another manager, the fans don't want you and the players aren't performing. How can you stay in the job...?"

He has to think of an answer to that, I don't see how he can

Um, think again. Roy's deputy can do the press conference..... not improbable that Roy could shy off from doing one ( sorry no pun, honest  ;))
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« Reply #409 on: January 1, 2011, 03:59:03 am »
Um, think again. Roy's deputy can do the press conference..... not improbable that Roy could shy off from doing one ( sorry no pun, honest  ;))
Has his Lord & Master Bacon Face Tramp not pulled that stunt before? :no

Hmm, he might do. Has to face them at some point or jump before he's pushed though

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« Reply #410 on: January 1, 2011, 04:09:49 am »
We have to be patient, as painful as it is. Short term decisions are not the answer. Let's give the owners the time to find the best candidate for the long term. It might take a month or two, we might even have to wait til the summer. But if it means the right man is found by waiting a few months so be it.
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« Reply #411 on: January 1, 2011, 04:26:32 am »
If this is true, FSG has screwed up big time.

The worse thing there can be is to have no leadership, and putting Roy in this position is as good as no leadership. I get that Roy isn't a leader in the first place, but what are the players going to do now ? What is Roy going to do ?

This is bizarre and wrong.

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« Reply #412 on: January 1, 2011, 04:33:59 am »
If this is true, FSG has screwed up big time.

The worse thing there can be is to have no leadership, and putting Roy in this position is as good as no leadership. I get that Roy isn't a leader in the first place, but what are the players going to do now ? What is Roy going to do ?

This is bizarre and wrong.

Actually the more I think about it the more I'm coming around to this view. On first thought it's a way to force Roy's hand and shame him into jumping but actually, I think it leaves us in an unhealthy state of limbo, especially if Roy sticks it out and NESV won't put in a temporary manager

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« Reply #413 on: January 1, 2011, 04:51:21 am »
If this is true, FSG has screwed up big time.

The worse thing there can be is to have no leadership, and putting Roy in this position is as good as no leadership. I get that Roy isn't a leader in the first place, but what are the players going to do now ? What is Roy going to do ?

This is bizarre and wrong.
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There are many flaws in this weird story anyway.

Let's say we enter a relegation battle and it doesn't go well. What are they going to do? Sack Roy in March and try to find someone to save us from relegation? HAHA who is actually going to take over? I doubt anyone would be interested at that point. Even people who love the club like King Kenny or Rafa wouldn't be interested.

According to TB's article, if, if any suitable candidate becomes available they will sack Roy and appoint him, even before the summer.
Right, becoming available means that they don't intend to approach anyone already available and they are not willing to try and sign anyone who already is employed. But why would any candidate become available? He's got to be sacked by his team or walk away in order to become available.

As I said, their approach in this crisis is disappointing...
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« Reply #414 on: January 1, 2011, 04:54:03 am »
has he gone yet or what?

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« Reply #415 on: January 1, 2011, 04:55:42 am »
Folks are mentioning Rafa but doesnt he have a 6 month exclusion clause fom football management in his Inter severence agreement?

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« Reply #416 on: January 1, 2011, 04:56:13 am »
They can't do this.

If he is unwanted, get rid. install Kenny as caretaker.

Stop fucking around!

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« Reply #417 on: January 1, 2011, 04:57:48 am »
Folks are mentioning Rafa but doesnt he have a 6 month exclusion clause fom football management in his Inter severence agreement?



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« Reply #418 on: January 1, 2011, 05:01:44 am »
Folks are mentioning Rafa but doesnt he have a 6 month exclusion clause fom football management in his Inter severence agreement?

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« Reply #419 on: January 1, 2011, 05:13:13 am »
Please have a bit of self respect and go.

Can't see how sacking him and appointing a caretaker with a view to appointing a permanent replacement in summer can be called short-termism.

Don't remove him now and we run the risk of relegation. Something someone like Kenny is likely to prevent.

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« Reply #420 on: January 1, 2011, 05:29:40 am »
Folks are mentioning Rafa but doesnt he have a 6 month exclusion clause fom football management in his Inter severence agreement?

There might possibily be a 6 month exclusion clause for Italian management. However given all the bollocks that the EU has about human rights why would that apply should Rafa seek (re) employment in English management?  :-\
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« Reply #421 on: January 1, 2011, 05:32:39 am »
Folks are mentioning Rafa but doesnt he have a 6 month exclusion clause fom football management in his Inter severence agreement?

Heard that on the Aus equivalent of Sky Sports News.  No one else said anything about it, so I didn't make much of it.

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« Reply #422 on: January 1, 2011, 05:41:07 am »
He'll hold on for a pay-off.
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« Reply #423 on: January 1, 2011, 05:46:01 am »
Rafa for me, without a doubt, even for a caretaking role.  It was his team so he is the best man to make the best out of it.  Maybe we give him a short contract, say 1.5 years for him to turn it around.

If Gerrard / Carra don't fancy playing for him, let's bench them, judging from their recent performances they would have to prove themselves again. 

So is Rafa.  If he really loves the club like he said, he would have to prove it again.  Just sign the short contract and clean up the mess, and if he wants a longer contract, he would have to earn it again.

Don't dream about Kenny.  He won't pick it up now and without the right hand men, etc I doubt he would have the energy / modern football knowledge to be successful here.

And whoever said Sammy Lee for caretaker needs their head examined.  He did the exact same thing when Big Sam was sacked and they went winningness for 10x games and lingered deeply in relegation.  No one in the dressing room will listen to him.

If we need to replace Roy now  an 18month contract might be the thing for Rafa. Especially if there's the offer of say 3years if he's successful. It gives us an out with Roy, gives Rafa a chance to prove his worth and sets us up to move for a top coach once we've regained European football if Rafa doesn't impress.
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« Reply #424 on: January 1, 2011, 06:25:40 am »
He wont resign.He has far too much ego to do that.
He wants the pay off.That'd be the ultimate waste.Paying what-3m-to a manager who has sent us to the depths of relegation.

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« Reply #425 on: January 1, 2011, 06:25:49 am »
Saddened Rafa's not on that list.

Now, the question is who would come to a decaying former giant with no champions league football and potentially with it's better players wanting to leave?

Roy Hodgson?
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« Reply #426 on: January 1, 2011, 06:59:55 am »
All the Internet Terrorists out there; let's give this the final push and let the last remnants of the previous owners be done with.

He has hung himself with his words, now he just needs the shove.

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« Reply #427 on: January 1, 2011, 08:16:53 am »
All the Internet Terrorists out there; let's give this the final push and let the last remnants of the previous owners be done with.

He has hung himself with his words, now he just needs the shove.

Mate, think most people on here believe that type of action is taking it too far. FSG clearly already know our feelings and have leaked to British Press. Lets just hold on tight. Maybe even tomorrow... fingers crossed
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« Reply #428 on: January 1, 2011, 08:26:51 am »
So basically nothings changed...We knew Roy wouldn't be here next season, we knew Roy wasn't part of FSG's long term plan.

But i guess this has been put out to make us feel more comfortable watching this crap hoofball because it'll be over at the end of the season. But i'm sorry, i can't wait til the summer! I understand the need to get 'the right man' and if it isn't Kenny, Rafa or Rijkaard then he may not be available yet but something has to change! The negative feeling around the club will only continue and we'll continue to see the effect on the pitch.

I understand why they don't want Kenny even as a caretaker. In an ideal world i'd like Villa Boas or Deschamps but at this point i'd take Rijkaard! I'd take Coyle. Just something to give us hope again because just being informed that Roy's only here til May isn't enough.
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« Reply #429 on: January 1, 2011, 08:27:25 am »
If we need to replace Roy now  an 18month contract might be the thing for Rafa. Especially if there's the offer of say 3years if he's successful. It gives us an out with Roy, gives Rafa a chance to prove his worth and sets us up to move for a top coach once we've regained European football if Rafa doesn't impress.

I have also come to more or less the same conclusion. The problem though is that a 'Short-term' contract for Rafa doesn't give him the whip hand with the players. Do we getrid of stevie if he throws his toys out?

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« Reply #430 on: January 1, 2011, 08:36:02 am »
as ridiculous as this sounds, i've been thinking they might simply be waiting for the holidays to pass.  sacking on/around a holiday might be seen as harsh or they might feel it's harsh or something.  maybe january 2 we'll see him sacked.

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« Reply #431 on: January 1, 2011, 08:58:46 am »
Didn't Deschamps say he was staying in France to see his club move into their new home in 2014?
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« Reply #432 on: January 1, 2011, 09:00:53 am »
Roy Hodgson's Liverpool woe: in his own words

'Two defeats in a row – one against a team you are expected to beat – that is a time to be lonely and hurt'

The Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson says it has been an 'uphill struggle' at Anfield The Liverpool manager, Roy Hodgson, says it has been an 'uphill struggle' at Anfield. Photograph: Clive Brunskill/Getty Images

Roy Hodgson became manager of Liverpool 183 days ago. On the day he got the job he said: 'I always knew Liverpool fans were special. The motto "You'll never walk alone" is really lived by the fans. It's a club where you feel you're not alone.' Today those words came back to haunt him.

"After the defeat by Wolves I thought I did quite a good job to disguise the hurt, the sadness and, to some extent, the anger that I was feeling. To take stick from the crowd and then to stand up in a press conference and say I understood and sympathised with them ... It is always going to be the case as a manager that when things are going wrong you are going to get that flak, that stick. It is unfortunate for me that fans should think I went into a press conference with a view to attacking them because nothing could be further from the truth.

"Two or three weeks ago we were on a good roll and playing some good football and everything looked so bright and positive. A very good performance at Tottenham, which should have encouraged people, has now become just another defeat. Then we had the last two defeats, against Newcastle and Wolves, which have hurt us very badly and hurt me very badly. It has swung things round enormously and put us in the situation where we find ourselves today. I cannot emphasise enough that it hurts me deeply. It hurts my professional pride. It hurts all the things I believe in to find myself in the situation I am in but I have to accept it. I feel very bad and very down.

"I have the experience but it has been an uphill struggle since I came here. Maybe that was the point I was trying to make [about the famous Anfield support] which has been interpreted as a crack against the fans. I have had a lot of situations to deal with and worked very hard to put together a team that knows what it is doing and can produce winning football. Along the way there have been some very big setbacks which have thrown me into the limelight and the firing line. I accept it as part of taking a job of this stature.

"Last night I saw a quote from Benjamin Disraeli when he became prime minster: 'I have achieved my goal and climbed to the top of the greasy pole.' That is really what we do. That is how I feel. Coming to Liverpool for me was a pinnacle; to some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before. It was a recognition of my competence. You come here hoping you will keep flying forward but, yes, I did know it would be difficult. If we can between now and the end of the season get the results everybody wants, people will respect us more for the hardship we have gone through. It is a cliché but we coaches do need time, patience and support. Support at this club is of vital importance because that is what has made it great through the years – the feeling that Liverpool is a bit special and that people get together when things are not going well.

"It would be nice to have people around you who could help you a bit more but it doesn't really work that way. It is a lonely job being the manager of a top club. You can't expect people to help you too much. The staff are very good and supportive – and so too are the players – but your family is the most important during these times. They try to encourage you that life isn't all doom and gloom and there might be a bright spot somewhere along the way. That is what you have to cling on to.

"Two defeats in a row – and one of them at home against a team you are expected to beat – that is a time when you are going to be very hurt and upset about everything. Lonely is not the wrong word to use because, to be quite honest, you don't want company anyway. You want to be left alone with your thoughts. They are not pleasant thoughts but you don't have the desire to do anything other than sit around with them."


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That's a goodbye speech if I ever heard one.  I almost feel sorry for him, but not quite.   :wave

What a sorry arse of a man he is - all he says there is how its been tough for him, tough to have no support, tough to have no time to put his stamp on things, everything came down to losing two in a row etc. Not ONCE in there does he say he feels hurt for the fans, the club, the owners, its all about poor fucking Roy and the world being against him.

Well fuck off and sit on your own and stew in your own bastard misery, you brought this all on yourself with your myopic view of football tactics, your stubborn attitude towards change, your disrespect towards the fans and your unwillingness to accept responsibility. You are 63yrs old for fucks sake, start acting your age, grow some fucking balls and start fighting instead of curling up in a ball and crying like a baby.

Sooner we get rid of this loser the better. Happy new year!

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« Reply #433 on: January 1, 2011, 09:02:22 am »
Didn't Deschamps say he was staying in France to see his club move into their new home in 2014?

Yes he did. But you never know, he could be persuaded to change his mind.

Most of the main candiates have signed recent contracts or committed themselves to their clubs. If they don't want Rijkaard then FSG are going to have to convince one of those men the rebuilding job at Anfield is worth it.
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« Reply #434 on: January 1, 2011, 09:07:23 am »
Deschamps and Comolli-likely option?

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« Reply #435 on: January 1, 2011, 09:09:02 am »
"Coming to Liverpool for me was a pinnacle; to some extent it was a reward for the work I had put in, not just at Fulham but in the years before. It was a recognition of my competence"

It feels like we've been forced into an arranged marriage with an old Gran-dad and he's having his wicked way with us while we all sit and watch helplessly. We are not a bloody trophy Roy.

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« Reply #436 on: January 1, 2011, 09:11:12 am »
I know it's controversial to put in this name, but I still remember the German national team before and after him.  Of couse, he failed at Bayern, but how about Jurgen Klinsmann?  He is still 46, and his enthusiasm will bring better out of our current players.

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« Reply #437 on: January 1, 2011, 09:17:48 am »
I don't understand the Times story, since picked up elsewhere. We knew Hodgson would go sooner or later; that's been apparent since October. So what's new and how does this semi-public statement of intent (I assume Barrett was briefed) help the situation?

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Re: Roy to be Sacked. Sometime.
« Reply #438 on: January 1, 2011, 09:21:08 am »
I know it's controversial to put in this name, but I still remember the German national team before and after him.  Of couse, he failed at Bayern, but how about Jurgen Klinsmann?  He is still 46, and his enthusiasm will bring better out of our current players.

Read up about Klinsmann mate. They wer 2nd or 3rd in the league when he was sacked, it was due to arguing with the board not results
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Re: Roy to be Sacked. Sometime.
« Reply #439 on: January 1, 2011, 09:25:38 am »
how dare tony barrett treat one of europe's most respected coaches like this


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